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i c u ppl are only good at dragging projects and after 30 years still u ppl r NO WHERE instead of accepting the failure of Arjunk n Low capability A/Cs u ppl are still wasting on it keep it up n btw the induction of LCA has been delayed it will be 2011-12 , thts wat ur good at isnt it girl???

Its tough to read the abbreviated way of writing...but here's your response...

Arjun - Accepted by everyone that the project was delayed...So?
LCA - Delayed..everyone knows...who has ever denied it. So?

Whats your point? The delays are well documented, debated facts in India...and are being worked upon...any problems?
 
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you mean J-11B which we "copied" from Su-27SK is worse than the "original" one?

secondly, can you tell me what is the original model for our DF missiles? how about nuke subs? how about type-99g2? type-03 rifle? ws-2d rocket?

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J-11 -
"The Shenyang J-11 (JianJi-11) is an advanced 4th-generation (almost 4.5-generation for J-11B versions) fighter in the People's Liberation Army Air Force. It is a licensed production variant of the Russian Sukhoi Su-27 SK air-superiority fighter aircraft built by Shenyang Aircraft Corporation (SAC). [1]

In the 1970s, Shenyang Aircraft Factory proposed to design a light fighter powered by the British Rolls-Royce Spey 512 engine, but otherwise similar to the MiG-19 then in service. Known as the J-11, the project was abandoned due to difficulty in obtaining the engines

The new J-11 is a Chinese version of the Sukhoi Su-27SK air superiority fighter. Sukhoi originally provided kits to Shenyang Aircraft Corporation upon an agreement in 1995, but over time there were to be increasing Chinese content in the aircraft, with up to 70% of all Su-27 ordered by the PLAAF to be Chinese-made. It has been reported that Sukhoi agreed to an upgrade program, allegedly in 2001, with improved radar and attack avionics.

However, in 2004, Russian media reported that Shenyang co-production of the basic J-11 was stopped after around 100 examples were built. The PLAAF later revealed a mock-up of an upgrade J-11C in late 2002. It was equipped with Chinese anti-ship and PL-12 air-to-air missiles presumably for the role of a maritime strike aircraft."

DF missiles

"The Dongfeng missile (Chinese: 东风导弹 lit. East Wind) is a series of intermediate and intercontinental ballistic missiles operated by the People's Republic of China. Typically, the word Dongfeng is shortened to "DF", so Dongfeng 9 is written as DF-9.

First of the Dong Feng missiles, the DF-1 was a licensed copy of the Soviet R-2 (SS-2) [2] Sibling missile. The DF-1 had a single RD-101 rocket engine, and used a mix of liquid oxygen and alcohol for fuel. The missile had max range of 550 km and 500 kg payload. Limited numbers of DF-1 were produced in the 1960s, and have since been retired. [3]DF-2 is a copy of the Soviet R-5 (SS-3) SHYSTER, as they have similar range and payload. "

nuke subs
"The submarine hull number No. 361 with name Great Wall # 61 (长城61号) is a Chinese People's Liberation Army Navy Type-035AIP (ES5E variant) (NATO reporting name Ming III) conventional diesel/electric submarine. It was reported to have suffered an accident killing all on board in 2003 while at in the Bo Hei Sea between North Korea and eastern Shandong Province of China.

No. 361 was part of the 12th Brigade of the North Sea (Bo Hei) Fleet of the PLAN based at Lu Shun (formerly Port Arthur) in the Liao Ning Province.

The loss of the crew of submarine No. 361 is the worst declared peacetime military disaster in the history of the People's Republic of China."

type-03 rifle

"The QBZ-03 (Type 03) assault rifle is the latest assault rifle design developed for the Chinese 5.8 x 42 mm DBP87 ammunition. Unlike the QBZ-95, the Type 03 is a conventional design weapon loosely inspired by other rifles previously in Chinese service (most notably the Type 56 and Type 81 assault rifle). The Type 03 has seen some issue within the People's Armed Police and second line PLA ground units. An export-aimed version of the Type 03 also exists, first introduced at the 2007 MILIPOL expo. The export version is chambered in 5.56x45mm NATO and feeds by STANAG magazines."
(it even looks like a Russian AK-47/56)
type03.jpg


Have you had enough buddy. Just so we all know where we are.
 
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Its tough to read the abbreviated way of writing...but here's your response...

Arjun - Accepted by everyone that the project was delayed...So?
LCA - Delayed..everyone knows...who has ever denied it. So?

Whats your point? The delays are well documented, debated facts in India...and are being worked upon...any problems?

problem is before commenting on other's project & saying them JUNK do take a look at your own projects...
 
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Can I just ask how many days your black cat special force took to eliminate all those terrorists?

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Off topic !!! Mods please delete...and ban...
My response...about 48 hours (accepted by all as too long and fixes are in place in the next attack we shall bring it down to 24-36 hrs,,any problems?) our Pakistani friends should send a few of the LET/Taliban fellows to China and have them take on the Chinese Police forces..Im sure the LET guys would do well...
 
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problem is before commenting on other's project & saying them JUNK do take a look at your own projects...

Agreed. But it should work both ways. Are you telling me all Chinese projects finish on time within cost and meet the quality requirements???

I believe not....So basically ALL India, Indians, Indian things are BAD, WRONG and everything Chinese or Pakistani is GOOD, CORRECT.

I didnt know...this was a India bashing forum...
 
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Agreed. But it should work both ways. Are you telling me all Chinese projects finish on time within cost and meet the quality requirements???

I believe not....So basically ALL India, Indians, Indian things are BAD, WRONG and everything Chinese or Pakistani is GOOD, CORRECT.

I didnt know...this was a India bashing forum...

dont twist facts & dont draw ur illogical conclusions :disagree:
 
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How IBM Gets China and India Right! http://gettingchinaandindiaright.com/blog/2009/02/
Trapped in legacy mindsets, far too many corporate leaders continue to view China and India from the narrow lens of just off-shoring and cost reduction. Instead, they need to treat each of these economies as representing four game-changing realities, all strategically compelling, and all playing out simultaneously: mega-markets for almost every product or service, platforms for global cost reduction, platforms to boost a company’s intellectual capital, and springboards for the emergence of a new breed of extremely capable and highly ambitious competitors. For a multinational, developing robust China and India strategies requires addressing all four of these realities head-on rather than just one or two of them.
IBM is a leading example of a company that gets China and India right. Under Lou Gerstner, IBM made a clear shift in its strategy away from being a largely hardware company to becoming also a software and services company. Sam Palmisano, who took over as the company’s CEO in January 2003, has built on this legacy and put the company on a fast-track towards becoming a globally integrated enterprise that is blind to nationality, that seeks to optimize the value chain on a global basis, and that looks at the world as both its playground and as its school. As Palmisano explained his guiding philosophy: “This is an enterprise that shapes its strategy, management and operations in a truly global way. It locates operations and functions in the world based on the right cost, the right skills, and the right business environment. And it integrates those operations horizontally and globally.”
Since actions speak louder than words, let’s look at what IBM has actually done:
1. It has been at the leading edge in leveraging the unique strengths of each country. In mid-2004, IBM had about 9,000 people in India. By 2008, barely four years later, it had about 90,000 or 25 percent of its worldwide staff. IBM’s operational base in India is now nearly as large as any of the Indian giants – Tata Consulting, Infosys, or Wipro. It is fighting fire with fire. In the war for talent, for scalability, and for cost efficiency, IBM now competes head to head with the Indian tigers on their home turf.
2. IBM now sources a third of its hardware from China. While this may not be particularly remarkable, what is different is that, in October 2006, IBM moved the office of its chief procurement officer to China. Lots of companies rely on outsourcing to China. However, far too many of them do so without their eyes and ears open, without adequate monitoring and oversight, and without pushing the envelope regarding decisions such as what to insource vs. outsource, which vendors to rely on, and how to manage the relationship. IBM’s is a case of what I’d call “smart outsourcing.”
3. IBM has located two of its eight corporate research labs in China and India. Each of these labs is a global center of competence charged with developing new technologies for deployment worldwide, not just within the local market. For example, the India Research Lab is the focal point for the development of mobile web technologies, for telecom software development, and for AIX software. Similarly, the China Research Lab is the focal point for the development of future embedded systems and devices, resilient and pervasive infrastructure, and user interaction.
4. IBM has been far more aggressive in going after the IT services market within India than even the Indian players and now holds the number one spot in the country. It has looked at India as “four stories rolled into one” and not just as a platform for cost efficiency. Impressively, IBM has scored major wins in the Indian market by setting aside legacy notions about what products or services the market may need and at what price. Consider, for example, IBM’s partnership with Bharti Airtel, India’s #1 mobile operator. Airtel has the unique distinction of offering perhaps the lowest prices for mobile telephony in the world (closing in on one cent/minute nationwide) while at the same time enjoying some of the highest profit margins. How does it do it? The answer lies in Airtel’s unique business model developed in partnership with Nokia Siemens Networks and Ericsson on the one hand and IBM on the other. NSN and Ericsson install, maintain, operate, and upgrade the telecom network and are paid on the basis of capacity utilization. IBM owns all of the hardware, software and people, provides end-to-end business services, and gets paid in the form of a share of Airtel’s top-line revenues. This business model maximizes the elimination of waste in the supply chain while enabling the vendors to leverage their scale and core competencies. These outsourcing agreements, the first of their kind globally in this industry, have transformed India’s mobile telecommunications sector. Despite India’s poverty, the low prices for both equipment and services have made India the world’s fastest growing mobile market in the world with 11 million new subscribers being added every month – even during December 2008 and January 2009. This is just the start. IBM and other tech players are now working at full speed to bring ultra-low-cost mobile webs solutions (for banking, for commerce, and potentially even for education and health care) to the hundreds of millions of India’s poor.
5. IBM is actively pursuing the development of ultra-low-cost solutions for needs such as homeland security, intelligent electric grids, and the like in India, China, and other emerging markets. The market for these solutions in emerging economies is very large. However, like mobile telephony, it is also a very price elastic market. The ideal locations for the development of these low cost solutions are places such as India and China and not Armonk, Zurich, or Tokyo. IBM realizes, however, that today’s globalization runs both ways. Ultra-low-cost solutions developed for poorer economies can become killer applications in the developed ones also – especially in today’s economic conditions.
In more ways than one, IBM today is just as much an Indian, a Chinese, a European, and a Japanese company as it is an American company. It is for these reasons rather than sheer luck that IBM has delivered some of the best financial results in the tech sector even in the middle of the current economic crisis.
 
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Off topic !!! Mods please delete...and ban...
My response...about 48 hours (accepted by all as too long and fixes are in place in the next attack we shall bring it down to 24-36 hrs,,any problems?) our Pakistani friends should send a few of the LET/Taliban fellows to China and have them take on the Chinese Police forces..Im sure the LET guys would do well...

oh, at least our police officers don't use 100+ years old rifle.
 
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oh, at least our police officers don't use 100+ years old rifle.

Whats the point? That your cops use better weapons..thats well known...but Im sure the LET folks would give you a run for your money. So just weapons are superior? Indian police is quite archaic...if thats all you have up your sleeve...pls pray that Militancy doesnt reach Shanghai.
 
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Indians are not good at adobe photo shopping our weapons .Most chinese weapons are adobephoto shop manufactured

sensenreason my reply was for this post.....

and btw there is no need to compare the 30 year old joke of aviation industry the LCA with fully functional A/Cs of China....
u have the right to call if RE or wat ever
 
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sensenreason my reply was for this post.....

and btw there is no need to compare the 30 year old joke of aviation industry the LCA with fully functional A/Cs of China....
u have the right to call if RE or wat ever


Fair enuf !! Agreed.
 
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Whats the point? That your cops use better weapons..thats well known...but Im sure the LET folks would give you a run for your money. So just weapons are superior? Indian police is quite archaic...if thats all you have up your sleeve...pls pray that Militancy doesnt reach Shanghai.

:bounce: the Muslim world will not against all UNSC countries.
 
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