Why India and Pakistan have multiple border guard agencies?

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Than don't talk about Pak when you don't know jack about us.

I never did.
Is it too much to expect comprehension skills from a Pakistani? Read my post again.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

I never did.
Is it too much to expect comprehension skills from a Pakistani? Read my post again.

Talking about comprehension.. That too coming from an indian who seems to be bat shyt blind .. That's rich..... Try reading the OPs post.. And than yours... Either you aren't the brightest pea in the pot (obviously) or just suffer from some mental disability.

 

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Talking about comprehension.. That too coming from an indian who seems to be bat shyt blind .. That's rich..... Try reading the OPs post.. And than yours... Either you aren't the brightest pea in the pot (obviously) or just suffer from some mental disability.

The OP asked about both India and Pakistan.

I wrote about India. Period.
You made the mental jump by equating the two. If I was writing about Pakistan, it would be clearly mentioned.

Maybe it is too much to ask of a Pakistani - some comprehension skills. Or maybe its just you. Who knows, who cares.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

It's just like the title question asks? Why does both countries have more than one border guards. Pak has rangers , frontier corps, GB scouts.

Pak has;

Pak Maritime Agency
Pak Coast Guards

These are Paramilitary Forces not just "border forces" ;

Panjab Rangers (Paramilitary)
Sindh Rangers (Paramilitary)
Frontier Corps KPK (Paramilitary)
Frontier Corps Baluchistan (Paramilitary)
GB Scouts (Paramilitary)


National Guard
Mujahid Force (more like reserve troops)


Etc

India uses 1 border force per region or country (varies).

So for Pakistan border is by BSF.
China is ITBP,
Nepal and Bhutan is SSB
Myanmar is Assam Rifles
Bangladesh is BSF.

As to why Pakistan and BD both have the same border force despite the concept of using one Force per border. The answer is simple - at the time the force was deployed, BD was Pakistan. Since then , it is administrative lethargy.

Why do we have 1 border force per country?
So that there is division of power. Prevention of a coup.

At the time these forces started getting organized, the fears of a coup were very real and the constant examples of neighbours where the Military ruled further fanned these fears - that IA might take and copy these examples happening in Pakistan and elsewhere.

So these new forces needed to be kept away from the Indian Army so that they do not become overtly powerful. They are also deployed under the Ministry of Home Affairs and not under the MoD.

Thirdly, even amongst themselves they are divided into one force per border so that in case the Military coopts the Border forces, it becomes much more difficult by virtue of having different forces and command structure so coordination becomes much more difficult and easier to prevent.

Lastly, Efficiency - a specialized force for a geograhical/border area makes them more efficient in that area over time and it develops unique methods and processes for that border.

Usual nonsense -- sprinkled with verbal diarrhoea !

I never did.
Is it too much to expect comprehension skills from a Pakistani? Read my post again.

The OP asked about both India and Pakistan.

I wrote about India. Period.
You made the mental jump by equating the two. If I was writing about Pakistan, it would be clearly mentioned.

Maybe it is too much to ask of a Pakistani - some comprehension skills. Or maybe its just you. Who knows, who cares.

Ironic.. As for comprehension skills.. Get your head outta your Arse and read for a change before talking about "comprehension skills".. Dear dim witted indian fella.

 

[livingdead]

India uses 1 border force per region or country (varies).

So for Pakistan border is by BSF.
China is ITBP,
Nepal and Bhutan is SSB
Myanmar is Assam Rifles
Bangladesh is BSF.

As to why Pakistan and BD both have the same border force despite the concept of using one Force per border. The answer is simple - at the time the force was deployed, BD was Pakistan. Since then , it is administrative lethargy.

Why do we have 1 border force per country?
So that there is division of power. Prevention of a coup.

At the time these forces started getting organized, the fears of a coup were very real and the constant examples of neighbours where the Military ruled further fanned these fears - that IA might take and copy these examples happening in Pakistan and elsewhere.

So these new forces needed to be kept away from the Indian Army so that they do not become overtly powerful. They are also deployed under the Ministry of Home Affairs and not under the MoD.

Thirdly, even amongst themselves they are divided into one force per border so that in case the Military coopts the Border forces, it becomes much more difficult by virtue of having different forces and command structure so coordination becomes much more difficult and easier to prevent.

Lastly, Efficiency - a specialized force for a geograhical/border area makes them more efficient in that area over time and it develops unique methods and processes for that border.

i would say its just happenstance than by any design... assam rifles was formed by british... itbp came first(62 war) and then bsf(65 war).. ssb was supposed to support raw...

all these are called central armed police and can be deployed anywhere now and there is no pressing need to bring them together due to specialization like you mentioned. the coup fear was/is from Indian army, not from paramilitary as such.

 

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Ironic.. As for comprehension skills.. Get your head outta your Arse and read for a change before talking about "comprehension skills".. Dear dim witted indian fella.

Once again I reiterate. Read the post before posting. It seems I will have to spell out even the comprehension part for you.
I did not mention Pakistan along with India. If I had, my post would have looked like or started with "India & Pakistan" or "Our" instead of point blank using just the word India.

Difficult as it may be for you to get these nuances of language...using the wonderful language they teach you in Pakistan as exhibited by 'outta' and 'fella'...try to get it now at the very least.

i would say its just happenstance than by any design... assam rifles was formed by british... itbp came first(62 war) and then bsf(65 war).. ssb was supposed to support raw...

all these are called central armed police and can be deployed anywhere now and there is no pressing need to bring them together due to specialization like you mentioned. the coup fear was/is from Indian army, not from paramilitary as such.

Indeed. It was a combination of happenstance mixed with a realization that it was better for them to kept disparate.

 

[sankranti]

India uses 1 border force per region or country (varies).

So for Pakistan border is by BSF.
China is ITBP,
Nepal and Bhutan is SSB
Myanmar is Assam Rifles
Bangladesh is BSF.

As to why Pakistan and BD both have the same border force despite the concept of using one Force per border. The answer is simple - at the time the force was deployed, BD was Pakistan. Since then , it is administrative lethargy.

Why do we have 1 border force per country?
So that there is division of power. Prevention of a coup.

At the time these forces started getting organized, the fears of a coup were very real and the constant examples of neighbours where the Military ruled further fanned these fears - that IA might take and copy these examples happening in Pakistan and elsewhere.

So these new forces needed to be kept away from the Indian Army so that they do not become overtly powerful. They are also deployed under the Ministry of Home Affairs and not under the MoD.

Thirdly, even amongst themselves they are divided into one force per border so that in case the Military coopts the Border forces, it becomes much more difficult by virtue of having different forces and command structure so coordination becomes much more difficult and easier to prevent.

Lastly, Efficiency - a specialized force for a geograhical/border area makes them more efficient in that area over time and it develops unique methods and processes for that border.

That was a good reply.

But besides these, India has other Para Military forces too.

1. Special Frontier Force (SFF)

They are also used specifically for the Indo-China border. They are a covert paramilitary special force which operates under India's external intelligence agency R&AW and reports directly to the Cabinet Secretariat. .

2. National Security Guard (NSG)

These are Indian special forces unit under the Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA). They are split into,

a.) The Special Rangers Group (SRG), the police component of NSG, which also handles VIP security.

b.) Special Action Group (SAG):

This is the main offensive or the strike wing of the NSG that is used for attacking and neutralizing terrorists, hijacking etc. within India. E.g. Mumbai Attack.

c.) The Thrid arm of this force is the National Bomb Data Center

NBDC is assigned the role of monitoring, recording and analysing all bombing incidents in the country. It also records and analyses various bombing incidents across the world to gain expertise knowledge in Bombing and related incidents and effectively counter such and share with relevant security agencies.

3. Central Industrial Security Force

This is the largest Industrial Security Force in the world. Its current strength is 1,65,000 men. This strength is scheduled to be raised to 200,000 men in next 2 years. CISF works for sea ways, airways and some of the major installations in India. In CISF there are some reserved battalions which works with the state police to protect law and orders. CISF plays a major role in Disaster Management, for Disaster Management course the personnel are trained from NISA, Hyderabad. Another unique thing which the CISF has is a Fire Wing which helps during fire accidents in Industries where CISF is on guard.

4. Rapid Action Force (RAF)

The RAF duty is to deal with riots, riot like situations, crowd control, rescue and relief operations, and related unrest. It currently has 10 specialised trained and equipped battalions. The companies of RAF are deployed only by the orders of Ministry of Home Affairs, Government of India, on specific demands from state governments, and are normally not deployed for long duration.

5. Territorial Army (TA)

The Territorial Army (TA) is one of the arms & services of the Indian army composed of volunteers who receive military training for a few days in a year so that in case of an emergency they can be mobilised for the defence of the country. Total strength of TA is 2,00,000 Men.

The present role of the Territorial Army is to relieve the Regular Army from static duties and assist civil administration in dealing with natural calamities and maintenance of essential services in situations where life of the communities is affected or the security of the country is threatened, and to provide units for the Regular Army as and when required.

 

[sankranti]

6. Home Guard (HG)

The Indian Home Guard is an Indian paramilitary police force. It is a voluntary force, tasked as an auxiliary to the Indian Police. The total strength of Home Guards in the country is 5,73,793 armed men.

7. Railway Protection Force (RPF)

This is a security force of India entrusted with protecting railway passengers, passenger area and railway property of the Indian Railways The Force is commonly referred as RPF. The Force is under the authority of Ministry of Railways (India). The strength of RPF is about 65,000 Men.

8. National Cadet Corps (NCC)

The National Cadet Corps in India is a voluntary organization which recruits cadets from high Schools, colleges and Universities all over India. The Cadets are given basic military training in small arms and parades. The officers and cadets have no liability for active military service once they complete their course but are given preference over normal candidates during selections based on the achievements in the corps. Current strength is 13,00,000 Men.

9.) Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF)

The Central Reserve Police Force is the largest of India's Central Armed Police Forces. It functions under the aegis of Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA) of the Government of India. The CRPF's primary role lies in assisting the State/Union Territories in police operations to maintain law and order and counter insurgency.

This is one of the largest of all the Para Military forces in India. It has a total strength of about 1,65,000 personnel in 132 battalions

 

[Thəorətic Muslim]

@DESERT FIGHTER seems like Pakistan's paramilitary border guards are divided based on province.

 

[third eye]

6. Home Guard (HG)

The Indian Home Guard is an Indian paramilitary police force. It is a voluntary force, tasked as an auxiliary to the Indian Police. The total strength of Home Guards in the country is 5,73,793 armed men.

7. Railway Protection Force (RPF)

This is a security force of India entrusted with protecting railway passengers, passenger area and railway property of the Indian Railways The Force is commonly referred as RPF. The Force is under the authority of Ministry of Railways (India). The strength of RPF is about 65,000 Men.

8. National Cadet Corps (NCC)

The National Cadet Corps in India is a voluntary organization which recruits cadets from high Schools, colleges and Universities all over India. The Cadets are given basic military training in small arms and parades. The officers and cadets have no liability for active military service once they complete their course but are given preference over normal candidates during selections based on the achievements in the corps. Current strength is 13,00,000 Men.

9.) Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF)

The Central Reserve Police Force is the largest of India's Central Armed Police Forces. It functions under the aegis of Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA) of the Government of India. The CRPF's primary role lies in assisting the State/Union Territories in police operations to maintain law and order and counter insurgency.

This is one of the largest of all the Para Military forces in India. It has a total strength of about 1,65,000 personnel in 132 battalions

TA & NCC are not PMFs

 

[livingdead]

TA & NCC are not PMFs

MHA has done away with term paramilitary... AR, BSF, CISF, CRPF, ITBP, NSG and SSB are all CAPF now.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

@DESERT FIGHTER seems like Pakistan's paramilitary border guards are divided based on province.

Yes.. And they are headed by interior ministries .. The officers are on deputation from the army.. And can be deployed anywhere if required... They also served abroad on UN missions.. And are pretty much armies themselves.. Armed with helis,Armour,Arty etc... Although in limited numbers... Apart from protecting borders .. They are also used to protect law & order/fight COIN operations etc..

 

[Syed Asif Bukhari]

6. Home Guard (HG)

The Indian Home Guard is an Indian paramilitary police force. It is a voluntary force, tasked as an auxiliary to the Indian Police. The total strength of Home Guards in the country is 5,73,793 armed men.

7. Railway Protection Force (RPF)

This is a security force of India entrusted with protecting railway passengers, passenger area and railway property of the Indian Railways The Force is commonly referred as RPF. The Force is under the authority of Ministry of Railways (India). The strength of RPF is about 65,000 Men.

8. National Cadet Corps (NCC)

The National Cadet Corps in India is a voluntary organization which recruits cadets from high Schools, colleges and Universities all over India. The Cadets are given basic military training in small arms and parades. The officers and cadets have no liability for active military service once they complete their course but are given preference over normal candidates during selections based on the achievements in the corps. Current strength is 13,00,000 Men.

9.) Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF)

The Central Reserve Police Force is the largest of India's Central Armed Police Forces. It functions under the aegis of Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA) of the Government of India. The CRPF's primary role lies in assisting the State/Union Territories in police operations to maintain law and order and counter insurgency.

This is one of the largest of all the Para Military forces in India. It has a total strength of about 1,65,000 personnel in 132 battalions

Sir , he is asking about border security force and you are even mentioning railway police . by the way , what kind of border is manned by railway police?

 

[livingdead]

Sir , he is asking about border security force and you are even mentioning railway police . by the way , what kind of border is manned by railway police?

railway fencing... lol ..

 

[Syed Asif Bukhari]

railway fencing... lol ..

Oh railway fence is a international border