Why has Imran Khan and the PTI failed to deliver?

[Imran Khan]

no one can fix this society now

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

@ topic

He didn't failed. Yes expectations was too much but things are moving at the right direction at macro level. Pakistan will achieven 5% GDP by the end of this current fiscal year which itself is a good achievement. IK didn't closed down industries blindly during covid era despite of heavy pressure both by the opposition and media which has now turned out to be a sensible decision else Pakistan would had gonne defaulter. Unfortunately country is going towards high inflation but the factors mainly responsible for it lies outside Pakistan.

 

[King Julien]

Isn't it a collective failure?
There is an huge administrative machinery that runs a nation..
Obviously these guys in administration are corrupted & these guys are in your neighborhood & family.
If you are ok with corruption money coming to your home then you have to fix yourself, you cannot blame your leader for that..

 

[313ghazi]

I don't think he has failed to deliver. If anyone believed all the stuff said on the containers, then I've got a bridge to sell.

Politics is about setting high expectations to win votes and delivering as much as you can to win the next election. Ultimately success and failure will be measured by the result of the next election. Most Manifestos are not worth the paper they are printed on.

I do think the PTI govt hasn't been the roaring success we all wanted it to be, I think they've made some high profile mistakes, poor appointments, not been able to control inflation, but they've also made some long term changes where the success won't be seen immediately.

For example;
- New single curriculum
- Ehsaas program
- Dam projects
- Tree planting
- business loans
- housing finance reforms
- encouraging setup of manufacturing
- HEALTH CARDS

There are loads of other things the govt has been doing which will have a medium/long term effect. I think that's much better governance than the traditional tarmacing of roads.

Unfortunately with our jahil quom you need to tarmac roads and take loans to subsidise their expenditure for them to be happy.

Isn't it a collective failure?
There is an huge administrative machinery that runs a nation..
Obviously these guys in administration are corrupted & these guys are in your neighborhood & family.
If you are ok with corruption money coming to your home then you have to fix yourself, you cannot blame your leader for that..

Excellent point. Fact is that many Pakistanis are content with the corrupt system as they've found ways to benefit from it. The mindset is still very backwards. Everyone still wans govt jobs, doesn't even know what private sector and free market is.

 

[newb3e]

Alpha Mafia! for protecting Nawaz and Zardari from accountability!

 

[Tomcats]

Theo not constancy I see is in the foreign ministry and that is doing the job very well

I beg to differ, i've been watching the Foreign Ministry throughout the years and it's a joke, the amount of relations damaged and pointless shenanigans i mean, really they have disgraced the ministry itself.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Whatever his missteps, IK is the best choice going forward, simply for the reason that there's no better choice. Honestly,, three years is too short a time frame to judge success given the current world we live in.

10/10.

 

[Hyde]

I beg to differ, i've been watching the Foreign Ministry throughout the years and it's a joke, the amount of relations damaged and pointless shenanigans i mean, really they have disgraced the ministry itself.

I am not saying they are superman but it’s the only ministry in the Government that has not changed and when I compare them to other parties I think we have done well in defending Pakistan and debunking Indian propaganda at every platform

Our relationship with China are Good but did not improve much but relationship with Malaysia, Turkey and a lot of other countries improved significantly

 

[Mentee]

Excellent points. This is an important thread.

Let me add that IK only has himself to blame. It is not even about 'experience' --- it is about being a visionary AND an executer. You need to be in the top 0.1% of both these aspects to have any shot at reversing the rot afflicting our country. Needless to say, he didn't possess this combo.

The number one realization has to be that the present system isn't working. This means totally revamping the entire civil bureaucracy (should have had a detailed plan, given he was apparently waiting for this moment for decades), firing thousands of people, constructing two mega jails to house thousands of corrupt people, declaring some sort of emergency, etc.

Many people say that change takes time and that IK's hands were tied because he didn't enjoy the type of majority needed to be truly independent. Both things are true --- but they cannot excuse such bad performance.

These aspects did not force IK to appoint a buffoon as Punjab CM. They did not force IK to pick a cabinet full of questionable characters. Sure, there's pressure --- but if you can't deal with pressure, what are you doing in that seat?!

Those who know him well claim that he is very easy to trick in cabinet meetings --- like a child who is playing with Lego beyond his cognitive/age level. Perhaps he should have been an active President and appointed a ruthless 'doer' as the PM. He has admirable but naïve notions of how the world actually works and how work is GOTTEN (you can't just delegate and then expect for it to be done in the next cabinet meeting in a country like Pakistan --- only danda works) from lethargic and corrupt bureaucrats. Of course, the COAS extension was the icing on the cake.

It really pains me. And anyone who thinks that this was a decent showing, please wake up. Pakistan cannot afford 'decent' showings. Pakistan needs a TOTAL revamp in so many areas. Entire restructuring of government bodies, grassroot reform, revamped intakes, etc. --- and a new constitution.

You'll be hard-pressed to find a country stuck in a vicious circle of corruption, poverty, short-termism and mediocrity (of intellect, culture, etc. --- just a general lack of excellence) and an identity crisis RANDOMLY break free of this cycle and become a middle or serious economic power. This is because the parliamentary democracy system in a third world country does not allow the ridding of vested interests because there is no incentive to do so (why would the elected hold themselves accountable?) --- therefore the only hope left is a philosopher-king in the form of a highly intellectual AND ruthless visionary military dictator, revolutionary or striking oil.

My 2c.

The govt seems to be running the state business relying upon the positions of celestial bodies accompanied by good and bad omens -------.

rumours!

 

[Tomcats]

Our relationship with China are Good but did not improve much but relationship with Malaysia, Turkey and a lot of other countries improved significantly

Only an improvement in relations with Turkey was witnessed, so far it seems like Malaysia was a 'one night stand'. Ties with Saudi Arabia hit a low due with SMQ providing a very nice catalyst to them with his outburst. You also got him fumbling in Afghan Media and also proceeding to say a racist trope in an interview with American Media so great going in that regards.
He didn't debunk anything except trolls, a non-profit organization EuDisinfo Lab did a report which they then jumped on but even then it wasn't that greatly pushed as it needed to be. When India sent out verbal jabs at Pak in the UN, there were numerous incidents which Pak could bring up like Assam or other recent events to call India out but no it was the same robotic line, 'India is bad, Kashmir this Kashmir that'. Nobody is going to listen to you if keep up a monotone impression of such an issue and refuse to conform and adapt against your opponent.

Rather than smart geopolitics and diplomacy, it was simply IK trying to act like the savior of the Muslim world which literally nobody cared about as can be seen currently. Which is why the Military continue to be the main medium through which more sensitive agreements or talks are conducted as they are seen as more competent, trustworthy and actually representative of Pakistani interests. Rather, under Imran Khan we witnessed a further slide with the Military becoming more of the de-facto medium through which key issues were talked about and agreements made.

 

[R Wing]

The govt seems to be running the state business relying upon the positions of celestial bodies accompanied by good and bad omens -------.

rumours!

I forgot about that aspect... superstitions are ruling us!

Isn't it a collective failure?
There is an huge administrative machinery that runs a nation..
Obviously these guys in administration are corrupted & these guys are in your neighborhood & family.
If you are ok with corruption money coming to your home then you have to fix yourself, you cannot blame your leader for that..

Therefore the PTI's major failure is in not addressing structural issues/underlying causes. Symptomatic relief can't cure cancer --- painful, excruciating chemo/radiation/novel drugs/surgery might.

The first step in any developing ('third world') country should be to find a way to revamp key portions of the bureaucracy, firing any and all who have corruption allegations (don't wait for the NAB to build a legal case, go with IB reports) and creating an entirely new intake system. Lessening wasted expenditures here and there can free up some funds for more attractive salary packages --- this, coupled with personality, cognitive and background testing (via the new intake rules), can start to attract better people.

When any developing nation is stuck in a cycle of overall mediocrity, it is nearly impossible to get better people to join government service --- because the rot is everywhere. To break the cycle, some visionary steps are needed.

 

[Menace2Society]

IK hasn't failed, it's 30 years of PPP and PMLN that has led you up to this point.

What you will probably do is vote back these criminals and the cycle will repeat till its too late and you transform into a baboon republic.

 

[Pandora]

Next Election people should vote Nawaz or Zardari. Jo mulk bach gaya hai wo bi yakhni bana kar pee jayein gay. Imran Khan is not Ideal but he is thousand times better than any alternative. Ab jaisi harkatein hain iss qoam ki uss mein Ertugul ya Salah ud din ayubi nae milnay wala. Abi kal news ae some raped an 80 year old grandmother somewhere. Bus naray lagwa lo iss qoam say. Yay Qoam Na mushkil time time mein saath day sakti hai aur na achi time mein shukar.

 

[Pak-Canuck]

I'm not totally disregarding some of the points made above and earlier. But one clear and undeniable fact about why his party may have not delivered on a lot of things is the fact that he has a MINORITY government and therefore has to meet and please the needs of the non-PTI members of his coalition to stay in power (this means allowing some corrupt officials back, not being allowed to pass laws and reforms which would cause some of his coalition members to leave and vote against him etc). He has already had one no-confidence attempt made against him.

If he had enjoyed a majority government from the start things could have been significantly different, we won't know until he ever gets one I guess.

 

[Enigma SIG]

Give him 30 years like you gave Nawaz and Zardari.
Judge him after that.

IK Maryam Nawaz nai hai jo 9 months k bajae 3 me bacha de de.