Why does India still play second fiddle to China? | The Telegraph

[Economic superpower]

ho ho ho ho ha ha ha ha. Turns out for every oe post by an Indian, there are 10 by Chinese, coz your head slept in Buckingham Palace. WHy all this obsession I wonder?

Did Modi get his customary propaganda selfie with the Queen?

 

[Guynextdoor2]

I knew he wasn't one.

ho ho ho ha ha ha ha ho ho ho ho ha ha ha ha.

 

[Dungeness]

Above is second quarter.
3Q is 6.9%
So you know what is waiting in the wings as for the 4Q.
Decline trend is on.
You cant escape.
IMF lends money to nations with present solvency strength as well as future economic outlook/projection of ITS (IMF's) own reckoning.

Denying the obvious?
Hmmm

Right, but the whole year will be "around 7%", as announced.

In the other hand, India's Q1 is 7%, and I am waiting to see Q2 result, but the 2015-2016 FY will not achieve 8% as you government predicted, let alone 8-10% your Financial Minister boasted.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

@SarthakGanguly @magudi @ranjeet

We know that. What quacks like a duck, moves like a duck is most likely a duck.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Xi Jinping has a State Visit (equivalent of China visiting UK) while Modi had a Official Visit.

BTW what is your opinion on this article ? I would love to hear your take on it.

British Left hates Modi: Why Guardian attacked him

I wept watching Prime Minister Narendra Modi's address to the British parliament. I found his desi accent difficult to follow, but cried nonetheless. In fact, I wept because of it, raising as it did so many personal issues for me. Watching him, I remembered how my mother - a village girl who left Punjab to wash dishes in London - was treated with disdain and condescension for her poorly spoken English, both by the British and bourgeois Indians who are, to this day, quick to assert social superiority at any instance.

Hearing Modi address parliament, Cameron et al paying painstaking attention to his every mispronounced word, spoken in an accent thick enough to cut with a chainsaw, was to sense a personal journey come full circle.

Equally interesting was to see how Britain's media responded to him, to witness how this low-born Leviathan, who speaks English in the manner of curry-house waiter, dredged up various British neuroses - of race, class and nostalgia. Modi proved to be a litmus test of many British anxieties.

The left-wing press predictably abhorred his visit. The Guardian had a nervous breakdown, publishing a series of scathing articles attacking India for its religious intolerance, caste discrimination and oppression of women. Fair enough: all of these problems are unresolved in Indian society and demand reporting. What was telling, however, was that the visit of China's unelected one-party tyrant - sorry, I mean 'president' - two weeks earlier hadn't triggered a similar slew of criticism about that country's myriad human-rights abuses.

That welcome was reserved for Narendra Modi, who received a bigger democratically decided mandate than any other politician in human history. Indeed, why is it that now, when Indians are more prosperous, open, longer-lived and democratically engaged than ever, the British Left has taken to heaping criticism on India as never before - a contempt pointedly expressed by Jeremy Corbyn, the Labour Party leader, who couldn't stand to be in parliament when Modi gave his historic speech?

It is, of course, not out of any solidarity with India's poor and suffering millions on whose destinies the British Left has zero influence, people who've never heard of The Guardian or Jeremy Corbyn, and for whomThe Guardian could easily have provided a Hindi-language edition long ago if it were genuinely concerned with empowering them. The neurotic hysteria of Britain's leading left-wing newspaper this past week has a more local and nastier motive.

The sad truth is that Indians came to Britain and, through much struggle and sacrifice, made a great success of themselves: the British Left - and its trust-funded propagandists at The Guardian - will never forgive them for that. Indian success in Britain, undermining as it does the Left's demented ideologies of race and class, is simply unbearable. Those labels were never going to fit Indians, who don't define themselves within such simplistic limiting boundaries, but for the British Left, to succeed in the face of racism and poverty as most Indians here did, is to commit a crime that cannot be punished enough.

If Indians in Britain were to riot, lower their academic performance or blow themselves up more, The Guardian's coverage of India would surely be more positive. Of course, they can't focus their ire on British-Indians themselves - the racism would be too obvious - so the motherland is scorned instead. The British Left has a similar relationship with British Jews, another self-made and conspicuously successful minority. The Left's hatred for them reveals itself as an obsessive contempt for Israel - or 'Zionism' as the lefties term it.

Neither the travails of the Indian masses, nor the politics of Israel and its neighbours, are of the slightest interest to the British working-class - the constituency Britain's Left supposedly exists to serve - but they occupy an inordinate amount of space in this country's left-wing psyche. This deeply prejudiced viewpoint is rooted in its neurotic fixation with class and the toxic resentment that stems from that.

A class-based perspective can only see life through the prism of a zero-sum game, an oppressor-victim dynamic. When anyone, particularly those of humble origins - like immigrants from India, for example - achieves success in Britain, the Left can only suspect it took place at someone else's expense. And hence the stewing resentment that finds expression by shovelling scorn on India.

Britain's India-loathing Left has its Indian soulmates, to be sure. Pankaj Mishra and Arundhati Roy have their specially reserved seats in London's liberal salons, where they are regarded as champions of the teeming downtrodden. Of course, neither Mishra or Roy gives a shit about India's masses: if they did, they would write in Hindi or Malayalam, or any of the other vernaculars in which ordinary Indians could actually read and be possibly inspired by them. But they deliberately don't, knowing that the aam admi wouldn't wipe his backside with the shrill whining rubbish they produce.

India's poor are merely props for Roy and Mishra's self-styled sainthood among western lefties. And they truly are saints of a twisted sort. Their incessant railings against the liberalising of India's economy - which has lifted millions of Indians out of poverty - is simply the legacy of their uptight Brahmin backgrounds, an inherited revulsion of the material world and the spiritual pollution that comes with trade and manual work. Capitalism, and the physical toil and pleasures that come with it, offends their repressed and febrile high-caste sensibilities, and so they take to the pages of Britain's press to inveigh against it.

Besides these two, The Guardian this week also commissioned a ridiculous piece by abstract artist, Anish Kapoor, declaring that India is ruled by a 'Hindu Taliban'. No doubt the editor, Katharine Viner, regards Kapoor as a perfect representative of India's diverse impoverished multitude given that he is a Doon-schooled, London domiciled multimillionaire.

Such is the warped idiocy behind the British Left and its attitude to India. Even more absurdly, when Modi was elected Prime Minister, the BBC's Newsnight programme brought Kapoor on the show to discuss with William Dalrymple - another elite-schooled millionaire, and one who isn't even Indian - what the election would mean for India's barefooted rural masses. The editor of Newsnight, Ian Katz, previously worked, of course, for The Guardian.

The West's viewpoint of India is profoundly skewed by the fact that English-speaking Indians have historically come from highly privileged and secure backgrounds - people whose views are to be the most distrusted because they are precisely the people most unsettled by India's increasingly upwardly mobile population. I have learned to pay careful attention to the accent with which Indians speak English. When I hear dulcet Rugby-educated tones such as Salman Rushdie's, I know the opinions on offer will resonate within a salubrious south-Delhi enclave and pretty much nowhere else on the subcontinent. When I hear the masala twang of Chetan Bhagat's or Swapan Dasgupta's English, I know I ought to pay attention - just as I did to Modi's tar-thick Hindi-medium accent. These voices, rooted in a broader and more representative India, are deliberately ignored by Britain's left-wing media because they challenge its nonsensical ideologies.

I've focused on The Guardian, because it pays more attention to India than the other British papers. The right-wing British press just collectively shrugged and tried to look the other way this week, resigned to Britain's decreasing significance in the world, exemplified by a parliamentary address by a man whose English they couldn't understand.

But just because someone's paying you a lot of attention, it doesn't mean they like you or have your well-being at heart. And when it comes to India, The Guardian most certainly doesn't. I've written for the paper a fair bit myself - though I suspect I won't be again after this article - but I found its coverage this week simply disgraceful. Indians should not mistake the sanctimonious pronouncements by the British Left towards India's many problems - problems that Indians alone can resolve - for a genuine concern for India.

The British Left is locked in its own parochial neuroses of class and resentment, and its attitude towards India will only ever be a projection of that. Indians are largely an aspirational and enterprising people, and as such will always trigger the disgust of British lefties who are not, and never will be, India's friends.

You are wrong, our leftists led by labour leader Jeremy Corbyn did raise Chinas human rights issue and spme of our media like guardian were against any Chinese investment whatsoever in U.K . There were also protests against Chinese president visit by many tibetans,uygurs and human rights groups during his visit. Just because our security services put them under control(just like they did witb Modis) visit doesnt means there wasnt any

Xi Jinping in the UK: who will press the president on China's human rights? | World news | The Guardian

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[Rangila]

In the other hand, India's Q1 is 7%, and I am waiting to see Q2 result, but the 2015-2016 FY will not achieve 8% as you government predicted, let alone 8-10% your Financial Minister boasted.
@Dungeness

Thats what I have been laying my emphasis upon = Don't go for Indian numbers. Instead got for world standards aka IMF. And their numbers delivered to your doorstep already.

IMF says China goes down to India (GDP growth wise), year 2016.
No Boasting Indians here.

Now stop your fits.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Yah, right! Honestly, do you actually believe that? Large part of NE is closed to foreigners, Chinese allowed?

Your statement is confirmed in the below:

Visa Permission and Information on North East India

Visa permission is most important document for travelling in North Eastern regions of India. While traveling to North-Eastern states like Assam, Meghalaya and Tripura, tourist doesn’t require to take special permissions for visits. Possibilities are there that you need to register upon your arrival and departure. Due to strategic geographical location, tourist does need to acquire Restricted Area Permit while entering other North-Eastern states like Arunachal Pradesh, Manipur, Mizoram and Nagaland.

And yes NE is closed to feoreigners

Here we have Feature of Gordon Ramsay pretending to be in Nagaland, while in reality he was actually in Myanmar.
Gordon Ramsay did all of this just prove foreigners are allowed in NE India.

 

[Rangila]

Come on, you guys can't even handle Chinese in English?

Not even 1% Chinese speak proper English:

List of countries by English-speaking population - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now who is boasting?

 

[Dungeness]

In the other hand, India's Q1 is 7%, and I am waiting to see Q2 result, but the 2015-2016 FY will not achieve 8% as you government predicted, let alone 8-10% your Financial Minister boasted.
@Dungeness

Thats what I have been laying my emphasis upon = Don't go for Indian numbers. Instead got for world standards aka IMF. And their numbers delivered to your doorstep already.

IMF says China goes down to India (GDP growth wise), year 2016.
No Boasting Indians here.

Now stop your fits.

That was my point to begin with! Over promise and under delivery is in your blood!

Personally, I love India, but I just dislike big mouthing. That is why I come here to tease some guys with excessive ego.

Not even 1% Chinese speak proper English:

List of countries by English-speaking population - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now who is boasting?

We don't, to be honest. It is not our language. We use Chinese to do everything, including R&D.

 

[Rangila]

That was my point to begin with! Over promise and under delivery is in your blood!

Personally, I love India, but I just dislike big mouthing. That is why I come here to tease some guys with excessive ego.

Then you guys are barking on the wrong tree as for as I am concerned.

I have maintained that Chinese are way ahead of India. Hard working people. Worked in HK (shim sha shui) nathan Road. I know Chinese culture.

As for India, no Superpower status till 40 years. India lags behind.

I call spade a spade. Be it Modi.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

Why does India still play second fiddle to China? - Telegraph

You are really an idiot.

You are telling people that India is playing second fiddle to China, and not why.

That was my point to begin with! Over promise and under delivery is in your blood!

Personally, I love India, but I just dislike big mouthing. That is why I come here to tease some guys with excessive ego.

I agree to some extent that Indians, especially Indian political class is very big at making promises and predictions without following through. But this is due to the system of governance, a con of the system.

The government bureaucrats though are more competent.

RBI, the central bank of India, never predicted an above 8% growth for India, and has right now predicted a growth of 7.4% for Fiscal year 2016.

Right, but the whole year will be "around 7%", as announced.

In the other hand, India's Q1 is 7%, and I am waiting to see Q2 result, but the 2015-2016 FY will not achieve 8% as you government predicted, let alone 8-10% your Financial Minister boasted.

China's growth is not 7%.

China did messaged its numbers. In its official GDP, China used a negative GDP deflator, which signifies deflation. This is incorrect, because the most commonly used inflation gauge, is consumer price index, which was still in inflation territory.

So, the actual growth should be somewhere between 4 and 5%.

Also, China is also not devoid of loosing targets. China predicted a 6-7% growth in trade value, while in reality the trade is actually declining.

India should surpass Sub-Sahara Africa first.
To surpass SSA, it must focus on how to achieve double-digit growth of 2012.

Bullshit.

India is already way above. And will continue to grow at 6-8% growth rates, for the next 2 decades.

I'm happy we don't have caste systems. Pretty awful being born to a low caste and cannot progress due to caste. Aren't Dalits humans?

Caste system is illegal in India.

There is a 50% flat reservation in seats in Law Making bodies, all higher educational institutes etc.

Our Prime Minister, Modi, also comes from a very low caste. But he is the most powerful man in India!

I though anti-imperialism was the moral high ground whereupon the world was supposed to look up to an otherwise thuggish regime that denies democracy, human rights and free speech to its people, tortures and jails dissidents such as Falun Gong members, carries on genocide against its minorities in Tibet, Xinjiang, etc. Whatever happened to anti-imperialism?

This doesn't really help.

Also, there is no "genocide" in China against anyone.

 

[Dungeness]

I agree to some extent that Indians, especially Indian political class is very big at making promises and predictions without following through. But this is due to the system of governance, a con of the system.

The government bureaucrats though are more competent.

RBI, the central bank of India, never predicted an above 8% growth for India, and has right now predicted a growth of 7.4% for Fiscal year 2016.

Indian politicians are the representatives of the Indian masses at large, so was it told. I do not think a humble nation would elect arrogant politicians to represent their interests. So big mouthing is not only Indian's politicians's problem. Just look Youtube and your media, how many Indian Superpower videos and articles there ar. Have you seen anything in this magnitude posted by people from any other country? Just read the comments on those youtube videos, you know how people view Indian as a whole.

Inferior complex to the extreme, is the urge to prove your Superiority. So It is not about governance, it is about your national psyche.

China's growth is not 7%.

China did messaged its numbers. In its official GDP, China used a negative GDP deflator, which signifies deflation. This is incorrect, because the most commonly used inflation gauge, is consumer price index, which was still in inflation territory.

So, the actual growth should be somewhere between 4 and 5%.

Also, China is also not devoid of loosing targets. China predicted a 6-7% growth in trade value, while in reality the trade is actually declining.

China has been keeping a pretty record in terms of GDP target and result over the years. They would not have been where they are today by massaging the numbers. Remember, Chinese can always use the government spending and investment to gauge their GDP growth rate, because they can afford to do that.

Their export is down by 6.9% in October, but their consumption is up 11% for the same month. Your guessing is nothing but a speculation, in a negative way.

Remember, their e-commerce retail is already bigger than entire Indian retail.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

Their export is down by 6.9% in October, but their consumption is up 11% for the same month. Your guessing is nothing but a speculation, in a negative way.

It is not my guess.

Also, people doubt that 11% consumption growth figure, because you can look at many parameters of consumption growth.

Car Sales are largely stagnant.

Property Sales are stagnant. They jumped a bit in October though, due to tax incentives.

Luxury sector is suffering.

Remember, their e-commerce retail is already bigger than entire Indian retail.

Here, we are talking about growth rates, so absolute size isn't the question.

 

[Dungeness]

It is not my guess.

Also, people doubt that 11% consumption growth figure, because you can look at many parameters of consumption growth.

Car Sales are largely stagnant.

Property Sales are stagnant. They jumped a bit in October though, due to tax incentives.

Luxury sector is suffering.

Individual item is not the best indicator for the performance of a economy, since we can always find opposite example to defeat your argument. How about Double 11 sales? Jumped from 9.4 billion to 14.3 billion?

People doubt everything. When India changed the base year to calculate GDP, the whole word doubt.

Here, we are talking about growth rates, so absolute size isn't the question.

You made a point here. I just want to tell you, Chinese Government can not give Chinese this kind of buying power by "massaging" numbers.

 

[NP-complete]

The real problem with south asian countries is that they have not yet systematized their economies. After europe and north america, east asia was the first to systematize its economies therefore they followed the west in development and progress.