Why Do Americans Hate Beheadings But Love Drone Killings?

[Kompromat]

Civilian caught in the crossfire and killed can be called unfortunate. A recorded beheading is not "unfortunate". It's deliberate act of cruelty. Very few people in the world would see an equivalence in the two.

US bombed a seminary in Pakistan in which over 60 boys under 17 years of age were killed. What would that be in your opinion?

 

[Kompromat]

You see no difference in collateral damage vs. Kidnapping relief workers, trying to swap them for your buddies and beheading them on video when you fail?

Well its war as you said..no?. Americans have been killing whoever they thought 'looked like a target'. I don't find any difference between beheading someone and killing them with a remote control robot. Both of them are abhorrent acts of terrorism, one is state terrorism the other one is non state actors.

Correct me if I'm wrong but don't drone strikes always target a house, car or motorcycle in Pakistan? And the arsenal being used isn't capable of destroying multiple houses, right?

This would answer those questions.

 

[VCheng]

Why can't that be said about the Americans who were killed by ISIS?

You are free to believe that, Sir. It goes both ways, and the side that plays the game better over the long run wins. The same will be the case here.

 

[VCheng]

US bombed a seminary in Pakistan in which over 60 boys under 17 years of age were killed. What would that be in your opinion?

What were the factors that led the seminary to be regarded as a target?

 

[A.M.]

US bombed a seminary in Pakistan in which over 60 boys under 17 years of age were killed. What would that be in your opinion?

Mistake. You never made one?

The same mistakes that we never hear about from PA because of the enforced media blackout. Let me give you a hint, whenever they used the term 'suspected' terrorists in press releases, they can't verify who they have killed.

I'm appalled that an admin holds these views. And for the record, drone strikes are done with the OK of our army. Sometimes our assets even paints targets for them. Shouldn't that make PA liable as well?

 

[VCheng]

Mistake. You never made one?

The same mistakes that we never hear about from PA because of the enforced media blackout. Let me give you a hint, whenever they used the term 'suspected' terrorists in press releases, they can't verify who they have killed.

I'm appalled that an admin holds these views. And for the record, drone strikes are done with the OK of our army. Sometimes our assets even paints targets for them. Shouldn't that make PA liable as well?

Please do not be appalled. Such views are held deeply and widely across by a majority of Pakistanis these days, and are only to be expected.

 

[Kompromat]

Mistake. You never made one?

My mistakes don't kill people, that too children. Hundreds of Pakistani children have been killed by American drone strikes. If you call that a 'mistake' then you are a party in murder.

http://www.amnestyusa.org/sites/default/files/asa330132013en.pdf

same mistakes that we never hear about from PA because of the enforced media blackout. Let me give you a hint, whenever they used the term 'suspected' terrorists in press releases, they can't verify who they have killed.

Those are unsubstantiated myths. Every single OP PA has done has been carried out of after mass migration of civilians from the area. Unless you have a solid proof of your claims this is just nonsense. There is no supposed media blackout either. The media has been involved in every single operation including the one going on.

I'm appalled that an admin holds these views.

Thats your own problem

And for the record, drone strikes are done with the OK of our army. Sometimes our assets even paints targets for them. Shouldn't that make PA liable as well?

PA's involvement in marking targets is 'partial'.

 

[jaunty]

What does it have to do with the drone strikes? - If your intentional is not your habitual trolling, go and check in the Zarb-e-Azb thread.

It is very relevant my dear Sir. When you kill scores of "suspected" terrorists, there is no definite way to know that there were no civilian deaths. I believe you don't even allow journalists in those areas. So we are only left with the ISPR version. I am sure Americans don't kill civilians for fun. It is either collateral damage or by mistake. Pakistanis are not immune to any of those. Also don't you guys claim that you provide ground intelligence to the Americans? I have heard that many times here. So I don't understand the double standard.

 

[Joeblow]

US bombed a seminary in Pakistan in which over 60 boys under 17 years of age were killed. What would that be in your opinion?

First, I would ask which incident that was, just out of curiosity. However, my position wouldn't change. If the U.S. had attacked the seminary with the intent of killing these boys, then there is no defense. However, with a beheading there is no question of who the target is and what the Intent behind it is.

 

[VCheng]

It is very relevant my dear Sir. When you kill scores of "suspected" terrorists, there is no definite way to know that there were no civilian deaths. I believe you don't even allow journalists in those areas. So we are only left with the ISPR version. I am sure Americans don't kill civilians for fun. It is either collateral damage or by mistake. Pakistanis are not immune to any of those. Also don't you guys claim that you provide ground intelligence to the Americans? I have heard that many times here. So I don't understand the double standard.

In Zarb-e-Azb, there are ZERO civilian causalities and fully 100% of those killed are terrorists. Of course.

 

[Kompromat]

What were the factors that led the seminary to be regarded as a target?

Kids were doing PT and the drone operators thought that they were doing military training. The whole seminary was blown to pieces then our genius govt claimed responsibility instead of blaming the Americans. Molvi Faqir started his insurgency after that which lead to thousands more Pakistanis getting killed in revenge for something Pakistan never did. This is why i say that Pakistani govt is a criminal institution.

 

[Kompromat]

In Zarb-e-Azb, there are ZERO civilian causalities and fully 100% of those killed are terrorists. Of course.

All civilian non combatants have been moved from the area. Those still there are living there for a reason and that is to wage war.

 

[VCheng]

Kids were doing PT and the drone operators thought that they were doing military training. The whole seminary was blown to pieces then our genius govt claimed responsibility instead of blaming the Americans. Molvi Faqir started his insurgency after that which lead to thousands more Pakistanis getting killed in revenge for something Pakistan never did. This is why i say that Pakistani govt is a criminal institution.

If the Pakistani government accepted the responsibility, then what is the issue?

 

[VCheng]

All civilian non combatants have been moved from the area. Those still there are living there for a reason and that is to wage war.

Of course. As I said before, in Zarb-e-Azb, there are ZERO civilian causalities and fully 100% of those killed are terrorists.

 

[boomslang]

Amnesty International
October 2013
Index: ASA 33/013/2013
“We were all in a panic that night. Everyone was running for a safe place. In fact, people
had already made bunkers in their homes [because of previous shelling], but that night some of us
couldn’t reach the bunkers in time.” Darpa Khel residents said more than 10 houses were seriously
damaged in the shelling.
Amnesty International found little evidence that government forces gave adequate pre-attack
warnings to the population in this and other previously documented incidents.
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Once government
forces attacked, they often failed to target armed group fighters and military objectives with
necessary precision. Instead, they used inappropriate, imprecise weapons such as mortars, artillery
and unguided, air-dropped bombs on areas where insurgents were believed to be intermingled
with civilians. Given the physical harm to civilians and mass displacement that these military
operations caused, the attacks were not only indiscriminate but also appear to have been
disproportionate, and therefore unlawful.
CAUGHT IN THE MIDDLE: RESIDENTS OF NORTH WAZIRISTAN
TRAPPED AS PAKISTAN FORCES CLASH WITH ARMED GROUPS
“Our routine life is affected as curfew is imposed every Sunday,” explained Gulab Khan of Mir Ali town. “Our
children and even grown-ups remain in constant tension and distress, as if something happens during the curfew
then you have to face the music in the shape of mortar shelling from the [Pakistan Army] cantonments and from
the [Pakistan military] helicopters.”
Pakistani forces often fire mortars after their convoys are attacked by the Pakistani Taliban or other armed groups,
using roadside IEDs, a weekly occurrence in North Waziristan. Such an incident occurred during a curfew on 30
June 2013. “Last Sunday, around 3-4pm, a remote control blast killed four security personnel in [a] convoy on the
main Bannu-Miran Shah road [1.2 miles northwest of Ghundi Kala],” recalled Rafeequl Rehman, son of drone strike
victim Mamana Bibi. “Through the PA [Political Agent], the Army announced that all people have to vacate our
village of Tappi.”
According to Rehman and other Tappi residents, this is a regular occurrence; PA staff call residents, usually the
elder males, by phone and tell them to vacate. “Hundreds of people have to make their own way to nearby villages,”
said Nisam Khan, a local journalist. “At 10pm the PA authorities called and said everyone must leave [the village]
‘til 4am. Everyone.” Then, just before 4am, the Army fired flares into the air and at exactly 4am started firing mortar
shells towards Tappi village.
“Three shells were fired, one exploded in the air and two exploded in the village, but luckily this time it only caused
minor damage,” said Rafeequl Rehman. But, he added, “As far as I know, no one has got compensation for
[damage due to] mortar shells. The Army decides when there will be no more mortars to be fired and then people
can come back. They don’t tell us, but speak to the PA who [then] tells our elders who tell our families they can now
return. We are scared that at any time there could be a blast [from an armed group] and then the Army will fire
mortars without caring who they hit.