Why didn’t the Hindus of India ever defeat an invading army!

[Varunastra]

He said that in the video food/diet has min effect on ordour.


He is right Magra. China had been the real target for the west, and still now. India had food surplus but less trade craft. Chinese porcelain, silk, tools, etc were famous in west.
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Well we are not really arguing about China's role in world economy. India's role in the same, whether we were ever wealthy is what our main argument is here. Saying India never had wealth or was never a target for European and Middle eastern traders except for the sole ambition of colonization/conquest(that also just because we were easy to conquer not because we were wealthy is being claimed) is massively wrong. In your video it is said how Indian products were also sold in China. The europeans wouldn't have started naming places according to India(east and west Indies) if we didn't have a big impact in global trade.

 

[Goenitz]

Well we are not really arguing about China's role in world economy. India's role in the same, whether we were ever wealthy is what our main argument is here. Saying India never had wealth or was never a target for European and Middle eastern traders except for the sole ambition of colonization/conquest(that also just because we were easy to conquer not because we were wealthy is being claimed) is massively wrong. In your video it is said how Indian products were also sold in China. The europeans wouldn't have started naming places according to India(east and west Indies) if we didn't have a big impact in global trade.

You have to understand that China was a big country and under 1-2 emperor at max. India was divided. The fact Europeans built fitoria India, Indonesia, Philippine means they were interested at least for some parts of India.
The age of exploration came late (1500). The video gives timeline of 2000 years.
So China was important bcz of its one rule, quality products and big size (market).

 

[M. Sarmad]

It was actually Chandragupta who conquered North India, Pak, Afghanistan. Later his son and then grandson Ashok captured South India as well.

BTW - Delhi Sultanate and Mughal conquests were west to east --> Pakistan fell before North India.

Chandragupta conquered Bihar in 325 BC, and Punjab 3 years later in 322 BC - East to West

But that's besides the point as Chandragupta didn't rule entire Indian sub-continent. Moreover, there are no records of his conquests other than those written centuries later

Neither Delhi Sultanate Nor the Mughals ruled over the entire Indian sub-continent. What's your point?

 

[magra]

Chandragupta conquered Bihar in 325 BC, and Punjab 3 years later in 322 BC - East to West

But that's besides the point as Chandragupta didn't rule entire Indian sub-continent. Moreover, there are no records of his conquests other than those written centuries later

We know about him through the Greeks. He defeated the Greek general bordering India, expanding his empire and married his daughter.

Neither Delhi Sultanate Nor Mughals ruled entire Indian sub-continent. What's your point?

They conquered a significant part and Pak was first to fall in their conquests.

 

[SecularNationalist]

Many Chinese history fans asked an interesting question. Since all ancient invaders came from Khyber Pass, why didn't Indians build a wall to block the pass? Ancient Chinese built thousands kilometers wall at north border. Ancient Indians just needed to build a short wall at this key spot.

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Because at that time ancient indians were busy in making world's first nukes and fighters jets in the vedic era.

 

[magra]

You have to understand that China was a big country and under 1-2 emperor at max. India was divided. The fact Europeans built fitoria India, Indonesia, Philippine means they were interested at least for some parts of India.
The age of exploration came late (1500). The video gives timeline of 2000 years.
So China was important bcz of its one rule, quality products and big size (market).

China also had centuries of broken empires and civil wars. Empires united and broke in China as in India.

 

[M. Sarmad]

We know about him through the Greeks. He defeated the Greek general bordering India, expanding his empire and married his daughter.


They conquered a significant part and Pak was first to fall in their conquests.

Yes, he defeated the Greeks in 322 BC and expanded his Bihar based empire "westwards". Your earlier assertion that he first conquered Pakistan is false.

Never denied that they conquered a significant part of Pakistan (or even India for that matter), the point was that they didn't rule over the entire Indian Sub-continent. Only 2 powers/empires were able to do that in history.. The Brits, and to some extent, Ashoka. And in both cases, India fell before Pakistan

 

[magra]

Yes, he defeated the Greek General in 322 BC and expanded his Bihar based empire "westwards". Your earlier assertion that he first conquered Pakistan is false.

The expansion was North India, then Pakistan, and then South India for the Mauryan dynasty. And in any case, it was a homegrown empire, not an invasion.

 

[M. Sarmad]

The expansion was North India, then Pakistan, and then South India for the Mauryan dynasty. And in any case, it was a homegrown empire, not an invasion.

So, we agree.. India and then Pakistan

As for homegrown empire vs foreign invasion, that means different things to the inhabitants of different countries/regions in India

A Bihar based empire conquering Punjab is an invasion for Punjabis (and vice versa)

Pashtuns are an inalienable and integral part of Pakistani identity. Abdali, Ghouri, Ghaznavi etc were Pashtuns. So their empires were as much 'homegrown' for Pakistanis as Mauryan empire is for you guys

 

[magra]

So, we agree.. India and then Pakistan

As for homegrown empire vs foreign invasion, that means different things to the inhabitants of different countries/regions in India

A Bihar based empire conquering Punjab is an invasion for Punjabis (and vice versa)

Pashtuns are an inalienable and integral part of Pakistani identity. Abdali, Ghouri, Ghaznavi etc were Pashtuns. So their empires were as much 'homegrown' for Pakistanis as Mauryan empire is for you guys

Whatever makes you feel easy man

 

[Goritoes]

Why do all Indians have a flabby belly?

Maybe because they eat a lot of shit, Literally and figuratively

They can march - and that gives new hope to dhotis....

Their Dhoti can terrorize some poor Muslim farmers at best, put them against a proper force and the Chaddi start dripping lol

 

[SIPRA]

They can march - and that gives new hope to dhotis....

They have progressed from "dhotis" to "chaddis".

 

[SIPRA]

Their Dhoti can terrorize some poor Muslim farmers at best, put them against a proper force and the Chaddi start dripping lol

These chaddi dharis are mobsters.

 

[SIPRA]

So, we agree.. India and then Pakistan

As for homegrown empire vs foreign invasion, that means different things to the inhabitants of different countries/regions in India

A Bihar based empire conquering Punjab is an invasion for Punjabis (and vice versa)

Pashtuns are an inalienable and integral part of Pakistani identity. Abdali, Ghouri, Ghaznavi etc were Pashtuns. So their empires were as much 'homegrown' for Pakistanis as Mauryan empire is for you guys

Their fundamental problem is that, compulsively, they view medieval history in a Hindu-Muslim context. Therefore Ghaznavi was a looter and plunderer, but Shivaji was a saint, fighting for the rights of local populace.

 

[MH.Yang]

What crap! Have you ever tasted Chinese food? Its quite bland, whereas Indian food is always known to be spicy.
70% of world spices come from India.

Industrialization in the world happened after European imperialism started in 17th century. Prior to that, resource rich nations were the most wealthy.

An Indian customer once said similar things to me, that Chinese food is very light and any food can be eaten by hand, so as to feel the temperature of food and respect for food. Later, when he came to China, I took him to eat this.

Unfortunately, instead of feeling and respecting the food, he picked up chopsticks. And his expression told me that he didn't think the food was light.