Why did France allow the tabloid to provoke Muslims?

[Selous]

Let us clarify some things:
1) We do not mind if you hold religious views that are different to ours...in the Quran it clearly states that the Christians regard Jesus as the Son of God...is the Quran then blasphemy ? Of course not.
2) The word Kafir is not an insult. It simply means non-Muslim...like Gentile means non-Jew.
3) Muslims will never insult any religion
And do not insult those they invoke other than Allah , lest they insult Allah in enmity without knowledge. Thus We have made pleasing to every community their deeds. Then to their Lord is their return, and He will inform them about what they used to do. [Surah Al An'am: 108]
4) Drawing insulting cartoons is not a religious view. Such acts should be illegal.
5) Freedom of speech for us is a corrupt concept since Islam teaches us to speak only good if we can, whereas freedom of speech allows for hate, defamation, backbiting and immoral speech.
Islam teaches us not to lie...freedom of speech does not differentiate between lies and truth.
6) Non-Muslims are allowed to practice their faith without fear or discrimination as long as they do not infringe on the rights of others. If any law is made contrary to this it is against the Laws of Islam.

 

[Shot-Caller]

People don't have to respect your beliefs either. They have the right to be both indifferent and disresctful to them. Besides who are you to question attacks on 'sacredness'? In 1000 lights mosque in Chennai I saw the following lines
' If God Never had a Consort, how can he ever have a son?' . So you go about attacking the ideas of other relegions like immaculate conception but when it comes to your own religion stress on 'respect'?

Your raising points I've answered to in this thread before. And if people have the right to disrespect religion and belief, then other people have the right to stop them. Whats right for you is wrong for me.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

Your raising points I've answered to in this forum before. And if people have the right to disrespect religion and belief, then other people have the right to stop them. Whats right for you is wrong for me.

People have the right to disrespect religion and you have the right to protest peacefully. If said protest don't produce result- suck up and put up with it. All regions do that nowadays.

 

[Cheetah786]

Jewish cartoonist among victims of massacre at French newspaper | The Times of Israel

Jewish cartoonist among victims of massacre at French newspaper
Georges Wolinski gunned down with his editor and 10 others in assault on satirical publication that had caricatured Prophet Mohammed


jewish caricaturist Georges Wolinski was among the 12 victims of an attack Wednesday on the Paris headquarters of the Charlie Hebdo satirical magazine.

Charlie Hebdo, which regularly runs articles and caricatures critical of religion, has published a series of satirical cartoons of the Muslim prophet Mohammed.

The editor-in-chief of the paper, Stephane Charbonnier, was killed in the attack, the daily Le Figaro reported.

Two of the reported fatalities were police officers, according to Le Monde.

Wolinski, 80, a Tunisia native who moved to France as a teenager, also was a cartoonist at the magazine and was known for his cynical and at times vulgar style. After entering journalism in the 1960s, he went on to work at leading French publications such as L’Humanite, Le Nouvel Observateur and Paris Match.

One of Wolinski’s cartoons, published in a 2002 compilation of his works, shows a Muslim girl walking with her mother down a war-ravaged street in the Middle East. The daughter asks what it means to be a free woman. The mother replies by presenting her daughter with a copy of a book titled “Hello Sadness.”

According to Le Monde, the attack on the Charlie Hebdo offices is the bloodiest to have taken place in France since 1835.

Charlie Hebdo has stirred controversy often over the years due to its biting depictions of Muslims and the prophet Muhammad.

Notably, in one of its September 2012 issues, the magazine’s cover depicted an elderly ultra-Orthodox Jew pushing a crippled Muslim man in a wheelchair with the caption “Intouchables 2,” an allusion to a French film.

In the inner pages of the magazine, caricatures featured Muhammad in a series of “daring positions,” according to a description in the French daily Le Figaro.


The cover of Charlie Hebdo’s Thursday issue, depicting an ultra-Orthodox man pushing a wheelchair-bound Muslim

According to Reuters, the cartoons included “nude caricatures” of the prophet.

Charlie Hebdo’s offices have been attacked in the wake of past controversies stirred by its publications.

In 2011, Charlie Hebdo published an edition that featured the prophet Muhammad as a “guest editor.” The issue sparked widespread demonstrations, and the offices of the magazine were firebombed in what was widely assumed to be a revenge attack.

AP and AFP contributed to this report.


Not justifying the actions of terrorist in any possible way, but talking about freedom of speech here.

1)write any thing against Muslims and keep doing it over and over again till you get the reactions from lunatics you are looking for and call it Freedom of speech Really?

2)Make fun of Prophet ISA "Jesus" (PBUH) and call it funny (freedom of speech) Really?

3)Say one thing against Jews and you are anti Semite and racist. Really? what happens to freedom of speech here.

 

[Shot-Caller]

Ineffectual rage and anger.

And dude, there is very little scarier on an existential level than a nuclear submarine with 24 MIRV tipped SLBMs.

And no, the Muslim world has exactly zero of them.

The ones you are trying to finger on the other hand have around 18 at last count. And many of them a lot bigger than the Triomphant and Vanguard class subs of the French and the Brits.

So get real.

Ok then i guess they should attack and wipe off entire Middle east if its that easy. I dont know whats stopping them.

 

[coffee_cup]

Interesting, that hindu extremists who were burning and attacking Cinemas few days back to stop the screening of a bollywood film, are lecturing us on the freedom of speech.

I find it quite entertaining,

 

[doppelganger]

Ok then i guess they should attack and wipe off entire Middle east if its that easy. I dont know whats stopping them.

You have not pissed them off enough as a collective whole yet.

You are getting there pretty quickly though.

 

[Shot-Caller]

People have the right to disrespect religion and you have the right to protest peacefully. If said protest don't produce result- suck up and put up with it. All regions do that nowadays.

Protests were held. Its not like he made the cartoons and next day he was killed. If some one is protesting peacefully against an action of yours, you should consider apologizing and not repeating that thing.

You have not pissed them off enough as a collective whole yet.

You are getting there pretty quickly though.

The whole west was up against Muslims after 9/11. Nato forces, other joint forces. What did they achieve? What did the soviets achieve? don't forget history.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

Protests were held. Its not like he made the cartoons and next day he was killed. If some one is protesting peacefully against an action of yours, you should consider apologizing and not repeating that thing.


The whole west was up against Muslims after 9/11. Nato forces, other joint forces. What did they achieve? What did the soviets achieve? don't forget history.

Just because you are protesting don't mean he should change his POV. If he is a heretic that thinks that religion is a fairy tale then that's it. You tried, didn't work, so suck up and put up with it.

 

[zip]

ok


dude, blasphemy is a criminal law at least in Pakistan, that's just like saying you should pray for murderer instead of trying him

If its a law then it doesnt make it right ..Silencing some one through force is easy and even a small gangster can do that but you have to struggle hard to get respect through your good deeds ..

 

[Shot-Caller]

Just because you are protesting don't mean he should change his POV. If he is a heretic that thinks that religion is a fairy tale then that's it. You tried, didn't work, so suck up and put up with it.

If he does not agree with the concept of religion, fine. There are many atheists who live in peace. He could keep his views to himself. But he was making money disrespecting a religion. You may be ok with sucking up and putting up with it. Everyone's not.

 

[mujhaidind]

What a lot of nonsense! You are the one who started saying how Islam and Moslems will conquer the world through force of arms. All I said is that they would be destroyed if they ever tried. You go through the posts and read them for yourself.

And more piddling threats of how the West is going to shit itself if we fight the Moslems. You are no threat! Got it! You are trifling vermin with AK-47s who have a long history of military failure. Our soldiers are man for man superior to any Moslem army. So are Israel's armed forces. You haven't defeated the Jews in 68 years through collective cowardice and military incompetence. Moslems are weaklings trying to show the world how strong they are and all they do is make themselves look foolish! Wes can outfight the weaklings of the Moslem world! All they can do is boast and brag about how they are going to take over the world and they can't even get their own countries in order. Moslems are lazy, incompetent, corrupt, and totally unproductive that is why their countries are such shitholes and have never developed, never made any progress.

If you are so warlike and brave as you make out, have the Moslem countries declare war on the U.S. or one of her close allies and see what happens. Engage the West in open warfare and see what happens. You'll find it a lot more different than gunning down innocent defenceless people.

I never said that we will conquer the whole world. I just replied to doppelganger who said that the west will declare a war on us in the the future.

3 men with ak-47s killed 12 people in broad daylight in your capital. Thousands of elite french armed forces are searching for them since 48 hours but are yet to find any success. Here goes your superior forces theory down the drain.

You have many millions of Muslims in your countries. If you declare a war on Muslims what will these people do? If they are provided some assault rifles, even your police and army wouldn't be able to take them down. Can you afford both external and internal war? That's the real question.

 

[doppelganger]

The whole west was up against Muslims after 9/11. Nato forces, other joint forces. What did they achieve? What did the soviets achieve? don't forget history.

After 9/11 two countries were invaded. One is just about getting back on it feet today. The other will never be the same country again.

This was after a soft-pedal foot invasion and occupation over 10 years.

Now think aerial bombardment. From sea. From air. Out of range of anything the muslim world has in its armory to throw back at them. No boots on the ground to feed and heal. No hardware to land and run and fuel and service. No supply lines to protect and sustain. No CnC structure.

Just bombs. And a lot of them. More bombs than there are people left to kill.

As I said, ineffectual.

 

[Red Spinifex]

You have not pissed them off enough as a collective whole yet.

You are getting there pretty quickly though.

If nuclear weapons are going to be used anywhere, it will be against an Islamic state or area. There were advocates after the 9/11 that the U.S. use tactical thermonuclear weapons to destroy Al-Kaida and the Taliban in their mountain caves and hiding places. It was dismissed, obviously, but it was considered. Tactical nuclear weapons would have annihilated the Taliban and Al-Kaida in a matter of days and being "clean" nuclear weapons the radio-active fall-out would have been minimal. The U.S. is gun-shy at present about using such weapons, but push her hard enough and give her a reason to fight, as the Japanese did on 7 Dec. 1941, and she will fight and fight hard with every means at her disposal.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

If he does not agree with the concept of religion, fine. There are many atheists who live in peace. He could keep his views to himself. But he was making money disrespecting a religion. You may be ok with sucking up and putting up with it. Everyone's not.

He has the right to propagate his atheism as much as you propogate your relegion. Therefore if you peacefully petition/ try to win him over and it doesn't work, then just shut it and put up with it. If you don't and the world reacts to your violence then don't go complaining that the world is filled with islamophobists and xenophobists.