Why China Lags on Innovation and Creativity

[ephone]

communism does not equal China.

You can blame communism for whatever you want, however, for the past 30 years, China has made great improvement that no country in the world has achieved in such a short span.

Blame it on the adoption of communism. We already how detrimental it is to creativity.

 

[gambit]

communism does not equal China.

You can blame communism for whatever you want, however, for the past 30 years, China has made great improvement that no country in the world has achieved in such a short span.

No, only when it is evident.

 

[gpit]

Indeed in a communist country where innovation and creativity are lacking, but genius are many. Just one example:

<< Wednesday, November 16, 2011 >>

Reverse mathematics for Ramsey's Theorem for Pairs II

Seminar: Recursion Theory Sem. | November 16 | 2-4 p.m. | 736 Evans Hall

Speaker: Julia Erhard, UC Berkeley

Sponsor: Department of Mathematics

Ramsey's Theorem states that, if the k-sets of natural numbers are colored with finitely many colors, then there exists an infinite set on which this coloring is monochromatic. From a reverse mathematics point of view, the strength of Ramsey's Theorem is equivalent to ACA_0 (arithmetic comprehension axiom) if k>2, but is strictly weaker than ACA_0 if k=2.

Weak Koenig's Lemma states, that every finitely branching infinite tree has an infinite path. The system WKL_0, which is the system RCA_0 plus the statement of Weak Koenig's Lemma, was shown to not suffice to prove Ramsey's Theorem for pairs over RCA_0. Recently Jiayi Liu showed that the other direction also does not hold. This means that from a reverse mathematics point of view, Ramsey's Theorem for pairs and WKL_0 are incomparable. We will present Liu's proof that Ramsey's Theorem for pairs does not imply WKL_0 over RCA_0.

Department of Mathematics Calendar: Reverse mathematics for Ramsey's Theorem for Pairs II

Reverse Mathematics Workshop
September 16-18, 2011
University of Chicago

Schedule:
Talks will be at Ryerson 251. Lunch and coffee at the Barn (Ryerson 352). Door will be open on Eckhart Hall
Friday.
Lunch at noon, at the Barn (Ryerson Hall 352).
1:15 - 2:00 -- Stephen G. Simpson. Some aspects of reverse mathematics
2:15 - 3:00 -- Steffen Lempp. Reverse mathematics and first-order arithmetic
Coffee break
3:30 - 4:15 -- Carl Jockusch. Ramsey's Theorem and arithmetic comprehension
4:30 - 5:15 -- Jiayi Liu. Cone avoid closed sets induced by non-enumerable trees within partition
Saturday.
Breakfast at 9:30, at the Barn (Ryerson Hall 352)
9:55 - 10:10 -- Presentation of the Reverse Math Zoo by Damir Dzhafarov
10:15 - 11:00 -- Jeff Hirst. Two combinatorial proofs and some related questions
11:15 - 12:00 -- Carl Mummert. Reverse mathematics of principles equivalent to the axiom of choice
Lunch
2:15 - 3:00 -- Michael Rathjen. Omega models and well-ordering principles
3:15 - 4:00 -- Jeremy Avigad. Computability, constructivity, and convergence in measure theory
Coffee Break
4:30 - 5:15 -- Andreas Weiermann. Well partial orders and reverse mathematics
5:30 - 6:15 -- Alberto Marcone. The strength of 'interval wqos are bqos'
Sunday.
Breakfast at 9:00, at the Barn (Ryerson Hall 352)
9:15 - 10:00 -- Peter Cholak. Some projects in Reverse Mathematics
10:15 - 11:00 -- Theodore A. Slaman. Infinite Random Sequences and First Order Consequences
11:15 - 12:00 -- Richard A. Shore. Weak Principles and Low Levels of Induction

Reverse Mathematics Workshop

Jiayi Liu (Lu Liu) was only a college student when he gave an outstanding solution to Ramsey's Theorem. At an age of 22, he is now a professor. China Wiki

Now we can see who's lacking innovation and creativity: the original poster with weird upbringings.

 

[shuttler]

Indeed in a communist country where innovation and creativity are lacking, but genius are many. Just one example:

Jiayi Liu (Lu Liu) was only a college student when he gave an outstanding solution to Ramsey's Theorem. At an age of 22, he is now a professor. China Wiki

Now we can see who's lacking innovation and creativity: the original poster with weird upbringings.

I wonder where did Tchaivosky, Rachmaninov, Mussorgsky, Stravinsky, Prokofiev get their creativities from while living in a hard core Soviet Communistic society! Is USSR the first to send a man in space? and there are numerous countries which are democratic but have near zero score on creativity and invention

Good for young LL!

This is the pair of Chinese homegrown medical scientists who are highly praised for their achievement in cancer research:

2 Chinese scientists win U.S. award for cancer research - Xinhua | English.news.cn

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Indeed in a communist country where innovation and creativity are lacking, but genius are many. Just one example:





Jiayi Liu (Lu Liu) was only a college student when he gave an outstanding solution to Ramsey's Theorem. At an age of 22, he is now a professor. China Wiki

Now we can see who's lacking innovation and creativity: the original poster with weird upbringings.

WOW. He is younger than I am, and he's good at the absolute hardest subject in the world - theoretical math.

 

[rashtriya.rifles]

china lags on innovation cause they are meant to do what the government thinks useful...

 

[rcrmj]

china lags on innovation cause they are meant to do what the government thinks useful...

lol this is like a N.K zombi thinks Northen Europeans are living in the hell```lol, how many these kind of clueless Indians india produces every year?

 

[Vinod2070]

lol this is like a N.K zombi thinks Northen Europeans are living in the hell```lol, how many these kind of clueless Indians india produces every year?

Since when the Chin become "North Europeans"?

Wannabe "honorary white"!

Last I heard, they don't "scrape the wombs" over there in "North Europe" for the crime of a second child.

Anyway, I guess CCP has ensured there are 450 million less clueless Chinese like you "every year".

 

[Juice]

everyone is entitled to their opnion including Xu.
China may not have free political thinking but the state never forbade to try challenging scientific ideas. And it would be dumb to assume so. The kind of picture Xu is painting is that of imperial Romans who would send Socrates to death for some free thinking!

Socrates was Greek, dead well before Rome was that big a deal.

LOL an ignorant Korean-American teaching me German history. How was Germany a developed democracy in 1932? Never heard of the chaotic and fragmented Weimar Republic Weimar Republic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia that didn't last more than 13 years, just one year longer than the Nazi regime? How was the Weimar democracy developed when it was powerless to prevent Hitler to rise? The people in power were trained and educated during the undemocratic Kaiserreich and they were also the reason why the Waimar Republic failed miserable because democracy was not in their heart and mind.

So, in the Soviet case it was not freedom and democracy that enabled them to innovation and creativity but lack of corruption. But I thought your article accused China not being creative and innovative because of lack of freedom and democracy. You bend your argument till they suit your little world, right?

Where in Germany are you from?

LOL just because they are hungry doesn't mean they can't put nukes on Washington DC and New York City. After all, the ICBM test is taking place next week and USA, Japan, SK don't even have the balls to do anything about it.

Lol, China can't even do that, they can't even protect their back-yard. ( I was in Korea in 86)

 

[Götterdämmerung]

Nonsense. It does matter where innovations and creativity came from. The true measure of such is how ideas benefit the general population, not the few like the government and its selected elites. I challenge you to find anyone who is willing to relocate to a land where technological advances are reserved for the few while most starves for them simply because those technological advances are ahead of a competitor who 'spread the wealth' so to speak.

Yeah...So many Americans abandoned their homes, cars, refrigerators, telephones, TVs, ultra absorbent toilet papers, and whatever else and rushed to the Soviet Union when they found out about Sputnik. They were willing to live with wax papers for toilet papers as they became Soviet citizens who were proud of the Soviet space program.

Who are you to decide what is the measure of innovation and creativity? In the Soviet it was the rigid economic ideology and political paranoia that hindered the transfer of innovation from military to civilian usage but what they did for their military industry was nonetheless innovative and creative.

I didn't mention anything about Americans freeing to the Soviet, did I? What a silly old man you are.

Where in Germany are you from?

Hamburg

 

[Korean]

Since when the Chin become "North Europeans"?

Chinese in South Africa fought a legal battle for 8 years for the right to be called "legally black". Chinese in South Africa are very much offended by the term "Honorary Whites" as it never applied to them, and they feel they are "black in heart".

South African Court: 'Chinese South Africans Are Legally Black'

South African Court: 'Chinese South Africans Are Legally Black'

The Pretoria High Court has given the ruling that the Chinese population living in South African were now legally declared as “black.”
For those that do not know, there is a popular of Chinese living in the country of South Africa. Many had come to South Africa after the mid-19th century when there was a discovery of gold. During that time, the Chinese were considered as colored under the rule of the white minority.
This was due to the difference in wealth. While there were Japanese living in South Africa, but they were outnumbered by the Chinese. However, the Japanese held far more wealth than the Chinese. As a result, the minority rule had given status to Japanese of being “honorary white.”

 

[Fanling Monk]

Chinese in South Africa fought a legal battle for 8 years for the right to be called "legally black". Chinese in South Africa are very much offended by the term "Honorary Whites" as it never applied to them, and they feel they are "black in heart".

South African Court: 'Chinese South Africans Are Legally Black'

Yes, unlike the Japanese, we Chinese are a humble lot.

 

[Vinod2070]

Chinese in South Africa fought a legal battle for 8 years for the right to be called "legally black". Chinese in South Africa are very much offended by the term "Honorary Whites" as it never applied to them, and they feel they are "black in heart".

South African Court: 'Chinese South Africans Are Legally Black'

Actually I have read something different. So apparently the Chinese were offended that the "less whiter" Japanese were given the preference and wanted it for themselves.

The new designation granted to the Japanese seemed grossly unfair to South Africa's small Chinese community (roughly 7,000 at that time), who it seemed, would enjoy none of the new benefits given to the Japanese. "'If anything, we are whiter in appearance than our Japanese friends.' huffed one of Cape Town's leading Chinese businessmen.[who?] Demanded another[who?] indignantly: 'Does this mean that the Japanese, now that they are [considered] White, cannot associate with us without running afoul of the Immorality Act?'"

Chinese people could, however, sometimes benefit from passing as Japanese - at least at the swimming pools - because, as the chairman of the city council's Health and Amenities Committee stated, "It would be extremely difficult for our gatekeepers to distinguish between Chinese and Japanese". In 1984, South African Chinese, now increased to about 10,000, finally obtained the same official rights as the Japanese in South Africa, that is, to be treated as whites in terms of the Group Areas Act.

Honorary whites - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yes, unlike the Japanese, we Chinese are a humble lot.

I always thought so. Some people on this forum seem not so humble but I will discount them as sampling errors.