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The following written by a famous Russian new presenter and blogger Anatoly Karlin.
(Sublime Oblivion)


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It is not a secret to longtime readers of this blog that I rate India’s prospects far more pessimistically than I do China’s. My main reason is I do not share the delusion that democracy is a panacea and that whatever advantage in this sphere India has is more than outweighed by China’s lead in any number of other areas ranging from infrastructure and fiscal sustainability to child malnutrition and corruption. However, one of the biggest and certainly most critical gaps is in educational attainment, which is the most important component of human capital – the key factor underlying all productivity increases and longterm economic growth. China’s literacy rate is 96%, whereas Indian literacy is still far from universal at just 74%.

Many people claim that China’s educational success is superficial, arguing that although it has achieved good literacy figures, standards – especially in the poor rural areas that have been neglected by the state during the reform period – are very low. This is not a minority view. The problem is that for proof they cite figures such as the average number of years of schooling or secondary enrollment ratios - which are still substantially inferior to those of developed nations – and assume that they directly correlate to the human capital generated among Chinese youth. This is a flawed approach because it doesn’t take into account the quality of schooling. Though not without its problems, by far the most objective method of assessing that is to look at international standardized tests in literacy, numeracy, and science. The most comprehensive such study is PISA, and it tells a radically different story.

The big problem, until recently, was that there was no internationalized student testing data for either China or India. (There was data for cities like Hong Kong and Shanghai, but it was not very useful because they are hardly representative of China). An alternative approach was to compare national IQ’s, in which China usually scored 100-105 and India scored in the low 80′s. But this method has methodological flaws because the IQ tests aren’t consistent across countries. (This, incidentally, also makes this approach a punching bag for PC enforcers who can’t bear to entertain the possibility of differing IQ’s across national and ethnic groups).



In contrast, the PISA tests are standardized, and – barring a few quibbles – largely free of the consistency and sampling problems that tend to plague international IQ comparisons. And they confirm what the IQ data has long hinted at: At least among schoolchildren close to graduation, the Chinese are simply far, far smarter than their Indian counterparts (necessary caveat: As measured by these tests).

I already covered China, so I will simply quote in extenso from an older post. I emphasize the most important part in bold.

“As regular blog readers know, I think that educational capital and more broadly average IQ levels are one of the key – and frequently under-appreciated due to political correctness – determinants of economic development and whether or not convergence to developed country levels is even possible. Its much higher educational capital is one of the key reasons why I think China will continue doing much better than India in development, regardless of its “democratic deficit.” However, many people argue that China’s human capital must actually be quite low, because it doesn’t spend much on education, resources are bare in the provinces, statistical fudging under unaccountable governors, etc.

The recent results from the international standardized PISA tests in math, reading and science will make this an increasingly untenable position. Shanghai got by far the best results out of all the OECD countries (never mind the developing ones). Now while you might (rightly) argue Shanghai draws much of the elite of the Yangtze river delta, the Financial Times has more: “Citing further, as-yet unpublished OECD research, Mr Schleicher said: “We have actually done Pisa in 12 of the provinces in China. Even in some of the very poor areas you get performance close to the OECD average.””:tup:

Since countries like the US and France get scores “close to the OECD average”, this means that the workforces soon to be entering China’s economy, even from its poorest regions, will be no less skilled than those of leading Western economies (note too that the numbers of Chinese university graduates are soaring). And with China’s massive population, four times bigger than America’s, its road to superpowerdom must be all but guaranteed. [AK adds: I.e., because under market economies, development - as proxied by GDP per capita - tends to converge to a level commensurate with the human capital level of the country in question].”

Also in December 2011, but unnoticed by myself until now, PISA released additional information on nine countries*. Critically, this included two Indian provinces, Tamil Nadu and Himachal Pradesh. How did they do relative to China?

On math proficiency, Tamil Nadu scored 351 and Himachal Pradesh scored 338. On science, they scored 348 and 325, respectively. In both cases, they were at ROCK BOTTOM of the league table of the 74 sampled countries together with Kyrgyzstan. Literally no other country did worse. :tdown::disagree:

In comparison, even the poorest Chinese regions performed close to the OECD average of about 500, putting them in the same rank as the bottom half of the industrialized countries such as Russia, Italy, or the United States (high 400′s); but well above other prominent developing states such as Brazil, Mexico, and Malaysia (high 300′s-low 400′s). The better off Chinese regions will have presumably done better, perhaps similar to Australia or Japan, while the most developed Chinese region, Shanghai, blew every other country out of the water with a mean score of 600 in math and 575 in science.

Note that Tamil Nadu is fairly developed by Indian standards, while Himachal Pradesh is about average. One simply shudders to imagine what the results would be in a poor state such as Bihar or Uttar Pradesh. China and India are both truly exceptional in educational attainment for dynamically developing emerging markets, but only the former is exceptional in a good way[/U].

Many Indians like to see themselves as equal competitors to China, and are encouraged in their endeavour by gushing Western editorials and Tom Friedman drones who praise their few islands of programming prowess – in reality, much of which is actually pretty low-level stuff – and widespread knowledge of the English language (which makes India a good destination for call centers but not much else), while ignoring the various aspects of Indian life – the caste system, malnutrition, stupendously bad schools – that are holding them back. The low quality of Indians human capital reveals the “demographic dividend” that India is supposed to enjoy in the coming decades as the wild fantasies of what Sailer rightly calls ”Davos Man craziness at its craziest.” A large cohort of young people is worse than useless when most of them are functionally illiterate and innumerate; instead of fostering well-compensated jobs that drive productivity forwards, they will form reservoirs of poverty and potential instability.

Instead of buying into their own rhetoric of a “India shining”, Indians would be better served by focusing on the nitty gritty of bringing childhood malnutrition DOWN to Sub-Saharan African levels, achieving the life expectancy of late Maoist China, and moving up at least to the level of a Mexico or Moldova in numeracy and science skills. Because as long as India’s human capital remains at the bottom of the global league tables so will the prosperity of its citizens.

Why China Is Far Superior To India | Sublime Oblivion

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Ouch, this must hurt!!
Now go sleep well .
Uve done ur homework 4 today.........lol
 
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superpowers develope gradually not by overnight miracles. china is on right path not for just 20 yrs but from 1978. we appreciate that. we r on right path since 1991 achieving over 8% gowth year on year. superpowers is not our mission. we want to make our country successfull in ever aspect. critics will always critisize we dont give a ****. we will keep working hard and going up the rankings every year. anyways which civil war ur talking abt? moists the yeah work on tibet first.

The Naxals civil war in the red corridor has claimed tens of thousands of lives in India. If that is not a civil war between traditionalist hindus and South East Asians who believe in other religions (non castes) then I have no Idea what is. Simple fact remains that from an Australian Perspective Indians are suffering from famine, illiteracy, civil war, Islamic vs Hinduism, caste issues like no other country can understand. The only conclusion to so much madness is that the British created a country which has not yet fought itself for separatism but in time it will change.
 
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The Naxals civil war in the red corridor has claimed tens of thousands of lives in India. If that is not a civil war between traditionalist hindus and South East Asians who believe in other religions (non castes) then I have no Idea what is. Simple fact remains that from an Australian Perspective Indians are suffering from famine, illiteracy, civil war, Islamic vs Hinduism, caste issues like no other country can understand. The only conclusion to so much madness is that the British created a country which has not yet fought itself for separatism but in time it will change.

:rofl: WTF . Stop making yourself look like a fool with the bold part . You have no idea about the naxalites do you ?

And this is what rest of the world thinks ,

2011 Failed States Index - Interactive Map and Rankings | Foreign Policy

Check out the map and the ranks . Do check the the bottom note as well which says this -

Errata: Several countries with tied scores in the 2008-2010 indexes display the wrong rank. The correct ranks are as follows. For 2010: Niger (No. 19), Cameroon (26), Sierra Leone (28), Rwanda and Cambodia (both No. 40), Papua New Guinea (56). For 2009: Bangladesh (No. 18), Liberia (33), Tajikistan (36), Laos and Rwanda (both No. 43), Cambodia (48), Comoros (51), China and Israel/West Bank (both No. 56). For 2008: Burma (No. 12), Uganda (16), Nigeria (18), Republic of the Congo and Uzbekistan (both No. 26), Laos (40), Rwanda (42), Moldova (49), Georgia (56).

If India is in civil war then China must be about to implode .:lol:
 
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The Naxals civil war in the red corridor has claimed tens of thousands of lives in India. If that is not a civil war between traditionalist hindus and South East Asians who believe in other religions (non castes) then I have no Idea what is. Simple fact remains that from an Australian Perspective Indians are suffering from famine, illiteracy, civil war, Islamic vs Hinduism, caste issues like no other country can understand. The only conclusion to so much madness is that the British created a country which has not yet fought itself for separatism but in time it will change.

loll if naxals was that serious issue we would have declared all out war on them. i could see from ur post that u dont kow anything about india. just have fun with ur 50 cents tonight. eat some hakka noodles and goo to sleep.
 
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loll if naxals was that serious issue we would have declared all out war on them. i could see from ur post that u dont kow anything about india. just have fun with ur 50 cents tonight. eat some hakka noodles and goo to sleep.

Win your war then talk. Oh wait your just another Indian living in Western countries...great talk chappy great talk

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:rofl: WTF . Stop making yourself look like a fool with the bold part . You have no idea about the naxalites do you ?

And this is what rest of the world thinks ,

2011 Failed States Index - Interactive Map and Rankings | Foreign Policy

Check out the map and the ranks . Do check the the bottom note as well which says this -

Errata: Several countries with tied scores in the 2008-2010 indexes display the wrong rank. The correct ranks are as follows. For 2010: Niger (No. 19), Cameroon (26), Sierra Leone (28), Rwanda and Cambodia (both No. 40), Papua New Guinea (56). For 2009: Bangladesh (No. 18), Liberia (33), Tajikistan (36), Laos and Rwanda (both No. 43), Cambodia (48), Comoros (51), China and Israel/West Bank (both No. 56). For 2008: Burma (No. 12), Uganda (16), Nigeria (18), Republic of the Congo and Uzbekistan (both No. 26), Laos (40), Rwanda (42), Moldova (49), Georgia (56).

If India is in civil war then China must be about to implode .:lol:

Implode with great wealth and prosperity if that is what your pushing at :yahoo:
 
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Read a few of his other blog posts and the conclusion is he is a first class DUNCE, a major delusional fool :rofl::rofl: who thinks too highly of china and expects the factory workers of china to run over everyone.
 
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Seems like Indian's don't have stemana to listen other peoples anything against them......in their views they are the only superpower of this world.
 
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Win your war then talk. Oh wait your just another Indian living in Western countries...great talk chappy great talk

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Implode with great wealth and prosperity if that is what your pushing at :yahoo:

My workplace is at Malkanigiri district of Orissa state. Which is one of most Naxal prone area in INDIA. and believe me these Naxals are nothing but bunch of organised criminal's who tend to get money from local elite's, Industrialist & contractor's by spreading fear by killing innocent people & local police.
 
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Win your war then talk. Oh wait your just another Indian living in Western countries...great talk chappy great talk

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Implode with great wealth and prosperity if that is what your pushing at :yahoo:

I think you didnt read the 'failed state' part of it .
 
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If Chinese were indeed "superior", they won't be suffering the current complex they got by harping the same thing over and over again. No world power had to harp about its abilities over and over to clarify its own insecurities.

The simple reason why this is repeated to online community is to assure the Chinese that they've reasons to be happy.
 
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Seems like Indian's don't have stemana to listen other peoples anything against them......in their views they are the only superpower of this world.
As if you have got too much of stamina to listen,,,Do we need to post some anti- pakistan thread ???
Than lets see how much u can bear that...
@topic : OK, we r growing and by 2020 we will achieve 85%+, and thats not bad at all...
And sir, what are parameters on which they decide whether a person is lierate or not ??? May be if one can write or read his mother language or so...So for the kind of knowledge for shinu frnds, that buddies there r 800 different languages r spoken in India and our government havn't got much time to count how many people can write or read language, what the hell this UN will present about our literacy rate, even they have no idea of how many language they spoke !!!!!...
 
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Win your war then talk. Oh wait your just another Indian living in Western countries...great talk chappy great talk


Yes naxals are our own innocent citizens thats why Indian govt is not taking help of Military

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Implode with great wealth and prosperity if that is what your pushing at :yahoo:

Inspite of more poors in India than africa India is the largest buyer of gold in the world. what yours stake on that .
 
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Seems like Indian's don't have stemana to listen other peoples anything against them......in their views they are the only superpower of this world.

exactly instead of admit it and take it like a man and find way of solving the problem ,they deny it like a coward and attack any one who dare to queation it.
 
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All chinese can now sleep without any nightmares. Yes, China is indeed is far superior to India
 
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As per the Author even without proper education IQ levels remain the same and India is developing fast, just because we speak english... wow!!

IQ levels are not stagnant for any race or people, it changed with the exposure you get, offcourse China is better in education and many other things.. but come on far far superior!!
 
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