Why Chennai can't and won't speak Hindi

[Skyline]

Whatever..this is India's problem
Who are you to discuss about us

come dude, this is open forum. I have my rights to comment on here!
so no answer for my question?

 

[Chola warrior]

I not nonsense

Specific coins are silly - say a coin has Hindi, English, Tamil. An Urdu speaker or Punjabi can say - "I don't want to use this coin, give me another 5 rupee coin that has Punjabi"
I totally support printing all hundreds of languages in the single coin - single side - using microscopic engraving. Of course it will help no one, but there lies equality


No, unlike most other countries, India does not force anyone to learn or unlearn a language.
Tamils need not learn Hindi - it will benefit them more to learn it. Otherwise they will have difficulty conversing with others. But that is all. Nothing else.

You still didn't get my point.
Lets say a coin of 5 rs in English-Hindi-Tamil , a coin of 2rs with Punjabi-English-Hindi
Not all coins just some as a sign of gesture.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

But still there are indirect impositions. I'm just asking for small gesture of unity. Why can't have other languages in COINs? Won't we should want our language in my own country's COIN?

See - everyone has a right to wish for something. I also want to have Kashmiri and Lal Ded's vakhs(a Kashmiri saint's verses) written on coins instead of the same old Satyamev Jayate. But there is more to Unity than what's on a stupid piece of metal(coin).

When there is a tsunami in Tamil Nadu, people from all over the country pay for reconstruction, help in building camps and rehabilitation etc.Similarly Tamil soldiers have also died fighting terrorists in Kashmir. The same Vishnu that is so famous in the North is Devadirajan Perumal(correct me if I am wrong).

The essence of unity is a sense of belonging that does not depend on such issues like coins etc. I am extremely proud of the ancient heritage of Tamil culture because it is Indian, and I won't allow anyone to take it away from me. Even though by ethnicity I am closer to being a Dardic and even pronounce Hindi with an accent

 

[Chola warrior]

Why should this small guesture of equality is being demanded by a Tamilian? Why not the NE states, why not Andhraites?
Do you know why?

Because we have some more self-respect? Sorry to be offensive
Even myself Half Tamil and half telugu..I'm fluent in Tamil, Telugu and can speak, write, understand Hindi. Isn't it more to ask to have coins in other languages too? That too just as an addition of English-hindi as a gesture?

 

[Skyline]

Tamil Nadu's official language is Tamil. Hindi is not official language for whole country. You could just keep away from us because you don't know shite about my country.

so you think you know about every thing about India? don't be idiot!
I'm not talking about Tamilnadu, I know Tamil is an official lanaguge of TN, which is regional language of India. whole India's official language is Hindi. If not then why sign boards come with Hindi too? lol

 

[RPK]

Is Tamil used in any of the neighbours of India barring Sri Lanka?

Official language in

Singapore.
Officially Legalised

Malaysia (Medium of education).

Myanmar (Medium of Education).

Mauritius(Medium of education and Official Usage in Currecies)

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Because we have some more self-respect? Sorry to be offensive
Even myself Half Tamil and half telugu..I'm fluent in Tamil, Telugu and can speak, write, understand Hindi. Isn't it more to ask to have coins in other languages too? That too just as an addition of English-hindi as a gesture?

I have no problems

This coin above could have been in Tamil indeed. But you need to understand that this is not due to a deliberate belittling of Tamil. Many Tamils have worked in the Mints but due to bureaucratic lethargy it did not get changed.

You have to recognize that as an Indian you have the power. You can challenge it in Court (like the scams were first unearthed) and have the change made. One ruling and bingo - the next lot you can see in Tamil(ceremonial coins).

This is a reasonable wish indeed.

so you think you know about every thing about India? don't be idiot!
I'm not talking about Tamilnadu, I know Tamil is an official lanaguge of TN, which is regional language of India. whole India's official language is Hindi. If not then why sign boards come with Hindi too? lol

Signboards in Chennai are usually NOT in Hindi. Please don't make your ignorance so obvious.

 

[SamantK]

Because we have some more self-respect? Sorry to be offensive
Even myself Half Tamil and half telugu..I'm fluent in Tamil, Telugu and can speak, write, understand Hindi. Isn't it more to ask to have coins in other languages too? That too just as an addition of English-hindi as a gesture?

Some more self-respect? I thought it was about unity?

Are you saying that Majority of the south-indians dont have enough self-respect?

I can understand Hindi, Telugu, Punjabi, Marathi and some Tamil.

It is stupid to ask for a language which is given an official status to be on coins too.

Why is the need for gestures when it does not serve any other purpose apart from satisfying the extra self-respect Tamilians like yourself seem to have?

 

[bronxbull]

First you better try to understand difference between voting and right to equality of democracy.

I never said Tamil must be made defacto of India if you assumed then you are idiot. I'm arguing for the fact why push Hindi an alien language for other 60% as primary language?

This is what we call Hindi imposition and trying to make everyone to speak Hindi. So its like one must know Hindi to be Indian?


I never said Tamil must be mandatory If I said then I will be biggest idiot but asking why Hindi should be? Maybe you are not capable of perceiving ideas.

I'm jus asking why everywhere Hindi is imposed? Why everyone should learn Hindi? why not make it easy for everyone? Why not have equal opportunities for all the 20 languages of India?

That's because Muslims Kings rules a good part of India in the last 500 years and thus hindi/urdu was formed which linked people,In south india even the Nizam/Bijapur Sultans/Tipu Sultan etc rules,Kerala has also always been a open society ready to accept immigrants & Languages.

That leaves just the Tamils grumpy n isolated.

 

[Contrarian]

Official language in

Singapore.
Officially Legalised

Malaysia (Medium of education).

Myanmar (Medium of Education).

Mauritius(Medium of education and Official Usage in Currecies)

So definitely Hindi has wider usage even outside of India.

Some more self-respect? I thought it was about unity?

Are you saying that Majority of the south-indians dont have enough self-respect?

I can understand Hindi, Telugu, Punjabi, Marathi and some Tamil.

It is stupid to ask for a language which is given an official status to be on coins too.

Why is the need for gestures when it does not serve any other purpose apart from satisfying the extra self-respect Tamilians like yourself seem to have?

This is not about self respect. This is about insecurity and oversized ego's.

 

[manlion]

I explained already. Using Hindi gives us far more advantages than using Tamil.
So yes, if making the common dog the national animal of India made the lives of Indians better, made it easier, increased trade, then by all means make the dog as the national animal.

When did Hindi become the lingua franca of international trade not your backyard trade ?

As a matter of fact, I request you to substantiate your claim.
You said Tamil was a more international language compared to Hindi.

Tamil is the official language in 3 countries , what's Hindi's status ?

Whereas Tamil is not even half as important as Hindi as an international language.
Pakistan to Nepal to Bangladesh to Afghanistan - all can understand Hindi

The majority of Indian diaspora all across the world understands Hindi

So please, do provide some proof of your claim.

If you make a presumptuous claim, the onus is upon to provide supportive empirical data or other evidence..

I have posted video clips to show you Tamil's reach in Canada, Malaysia etc ,

Canadian South Asia data

The South Asian Community in Canada

While most Canadians of South Asian origin can speak at least one official language, the majority have a mother tongue3 other than English or French. In 2001, 65% of those who reported a South Asian origin said that their mother tongue was a non-official language. At the same time, 35% reported that their mother tongue was English and almost 1% reported that it was French. Among the non-official languages reported as mother tongue, the most common included Punjabi (29%), Tamil (10%), Urdu (9%), Gujurati (6%), Hindi (6%) and Bengali (3%).

 

[Chola warrior]

This is not about self respect. This is about insecurity and oversized ego's

When soemone don't want to learn Hindi then its ego but it doesn't applies for a Hindi person. This is called hypocrisy.

I'm ending this now, This is what official constitution of India states:

There are 22 official languages in India. Assamese, Bengali, Bodo, Dogri, English, Gujarati, Hindi, Kannada, Kashmiri, Konkani, Maithili, Malayalam, Manipuri, Marathi, Nepali, Oriya, Punjabi, Sanskrit, Santali, Sindhi, Tamil, Telugu, Tulu, Urdu. However, a plurality of speakers in India speak Hindi or English. Till 1965, Articles 343 and 345 of the Constitution of India specified that the official language of India to be Hindi in Devanagari script, though states of India were free to adopt one or more local languages for all or any of the official purposes of that state. Pursuant to agitations particularly in South India in the 60s, today all 22 languages carry official status and Government documents can be in any of the 22 recognized official languages. This has been clarified by court rulings as well, most recently in 2010 Gujarat High Court affirming equal role to all 22 languages. India is a Common law country---therefore, unless overturned by the legislature or a higher court explicitly, the ruling in 2010 takes precedence and all 22 official languages are meant to be taken on equal footing. Currency notes in India typically have carry the denomination in all languages as well.


So lets try to learn and respect other languages without impositions to ensure real "Unity in Diversity".

 

[abhinav.mehrotra]

Why people in TAmil Nadu should speak Hindi?

Hindi is not mother of any regional languages. Northern language has their roots to Sanskrit. No!! integrating Hindi is not easy for most of regions based out of north.


In same way Tamils don't want to rely on Hindi to live in their own country, expect when the need comes like migrating.

I have never said that Tamils or for that matter any regional language should not be spoken. The problem is not of speaking any one particular language. When two bengali's speak to one another they speak in bangla similarly when two marathis are speaking to one another they speak in marathi . This is not only accptable but also pragmatic as both speak the same langauage. My points are made in reference to one national identity. Tamils can speak tamil or any other language they wish to but when you are conversing with some one who does not understands tamil, use an Indian language rather than a foreign language just becasue of your ego.

Also Hindi is far closer to Sanskrit and as i have made the point that Sanskrit was never the language of masses. It has always been Hindi in one form or another. Do u think 5000 years ago , the hindi was same as it is today?? Just like the society, hindi to has adjusted with the time. Every language in India has not only been influenced by Hindi but has been derived from it too. Of course, Hindi itself has been derived from Sanskrit. So in round about way other regional languages have been derived too from sanskrit but via hindi... and that is just a way of explaining.

For student in std I or II it is very easy to learn any language be it Hindi or Tamil. But seriously think what your point is.. no one will want to leave their own region language for another regions language. But Hindi could be a uniting force. this doesnot mean that you cannot learn tamil or telgu or punjabi or any other language. People in Tamil nadu do not speak hindi even when they know that the other person doesnot knows Tamil. This is not the case in any other part of the country even in maharastra.

No body is asking to speak fluent hindi or write poems in it but speak enough to converse in it.

same way why Tamil should learn Hindi?

Donot take things out of context!! I made the remarks to other regional languages such as bengali, gujrati, marathi, bhojpuri etc. Hindi is not a regional language. Every nation needs a common language there is no need to import everything when you have things readily available.

Then take out the motto " Unity in Diversity"

And what has this motto " Unity in Diversity" has given India?? British used the policy of divide and rule , using diversity as an excuse. Why did Chanakya had to preach to preach the philosophy of "Akhand Bharat" during greek invasion if truly it is such a great thing.

People do not even try to understand what that motto truly stands for. " Unity in Diversity" means that even though we may speak different languages, follow different sects and religions, that we may dress differently , we will not allow those things to stand between us and nation. That nation must come first and foremost.

This motto's purpose was not give each state/region a way to do and go any which way they wished to do. It is not a weapon to be used to defend regionalism.

I'm not gaining political advanateg by postin it here but just for sake of quality, to show the disrespect of other languages and imposition of Hindi.

Parties like shiv sena , mns in maharastra and all the parties in TN use regional language as tool to gain electoral vote and thus political mileage. That is why they attack hindi.

Nobody and certainly not myself have ever asked to stop teaching,speaking,reading any regional language but do it when and where it is appropriate. Donot oppose use of hindi just for the sake of narrow minded gains of few years. So the question of disrespect towards any other language does not arises.

Srilankan issue is for humanitarian cause so don't bring language or regionalism

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During the war there is no place for human rights sadly, not in todays world. Prabhakaran and LTTE certainly didnot show any consideration for human rights. And if what is happening in Sri lanka is pretext for India to enter into a sovereign nations then we invite others to meddle in our own problems.

When you are in a hostile neighbourhood then you have to look into your nation's security before anything else. China has been gaining space in Sri lanka because of this stubbornness from tamils. Bangladesh is inviting chinese because of regional politics of Bengal.

 

[SpArK]

One of the oldest debates in forum world.

 

[Chola warrior]

Donot take things out of context!! I made the remarks to other regional languages such as bengali, gujrati, marathi, bhojpuri etc. Hindi is not a regional language. Every nation needs a common language there is no need to import everything when you have things readily available.

No not necessary. Your world is too small to interpret my views. Hindi can't be national identity but Indian does which includes all 22 languages.