Why can US and Israel get away with anything?

[Jaanbaz]

Whoever holds military power and wealth dictates the world. Simple as that. This is why as Pakistanis we must work towards advancing Pakistan, getting rid of religious extremism, corruption and Saudi/American influence would go a long way. These two countries have done nothing but destroy our society and yes we as Pakistanis have to take the major blame, I'm not blaming everything on Saudi/Americans. If we weren't so divided and petty no outsider could have damaged Pakistan.

 

[SouI]

Tolerating is a privilege, how does one choose whether to tolerate extreme leaders? Tolerate and extreme are 2 opposites.

That said, 'extreme' in what? Tolerating other opinions? The west does not tolerate other opinions when it comes to the balance of power, they strike militarily when that is the case. Whereas in the middle east militaries influence politics, it is the corporates in the west and both wage war on others.

Do you consider the Gulf states, Jordan, Morocco and Saudi Arabia as extreme? they're all dictatorships approved by the west. The middle east cannot benefit from you as you bring destruction, once you came into Iraq you fueled the retard abu musab al zarqawi. That said, when you come into our countries you fuel extremism in nearly every one of us and make us accept it more and more.

Every past decade is a time of lessened extremism in the middle east, every decade pre-US intervention that is. I wonder why, why should I not be drawn towards those extremists when being invaded by some uneducated hilbilly who just got out of high school?

Most muslims are indeed extremist. Majority of the Pakistani population support death penalty for people who leave islam.

You think the term "majority" doesnt also constitute the term "most"?

 

[Saddam Hussein]

Most muslims are indeed extremist. Majority of the Pakistani population support death penalty for people who leave islam.

You think the term "majority" doesnt also constitute the term "most"?

Most muslims roll with what is presented to them and follow the stream, that differs per country, society etc. If Pakistan or parts of Pakistan happen to be dominated by certain extremists born out of the madrassas then that makes sense.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Every power got their struggles... Absolute or not.
But there is a different btw "Internal and External" Affairs. Btw Power circle and The People...

One thing is sure... If "The Power" ask for it's military/Police to Murder his own people...They will...
The Moment you people is equal to the life of a Chicken... There is no compromise...Neither Politics.

That is very true.
Which after a thousand year we no longer have it in Europe.
The ME needs to go the same way.
Good luck to Tunisia, beeing in front.

 

[Solomon2]

Whoever holds military power and wealth dictates the world. Simple as that.

The Jews' contribution to civilization has been the separation of power and wealth from the standards of right and wrong.

...we must work towards advancing Pakistan, getting rid of religious extremism, corruption and Saudi/American influence would go a long way. These two countries have done nothing but destroy our society and yes we as Pakistanis have to take the major blame, I'm not blaming everything on Saudi/Americans. If we weren't so divided and petty no outsider could have damaged Pakistan.

Taking the long view, I think U.S. aid perpetuated Pakistan's political divisions by giving civilian and military leaders resources to grow their power and seek dictatorships and religious hammers rather than facing the stark choice between compromise and failure, to be followed by new elections.

Had the U.S. withheld food aid in the first two decades not so many people would have moved from India to Pakistan, thus alleviating the unchecked growth and political-cultural fracturing of Karachi. Had the U.S. not provided the Pakistani military with oodles of weapons Pakistani leaders would not have fallen prey to visions of imperialism in 1965 and would have been denied the resources to commit genocide in 1971. Furthermore, the non-food economic aid provided by the U.S. was grabbed by the West Pakistan leadership to enrich themselves disproportionately from the rest of their population, especially that of East Pakistan.

 

[fitpOsitive]

like creating a fake report and using it to Bomb Iraq and getting away with it. Taliban. Making ww2 seem like a war against Jews and using it to create Israel. Creating Taliban and then using it as excuse to invade and take over Afghanistan. Topple Libya. Arm terrorists in Syria to topple Assad. Israel getting away with massacring Palestinians and breaking God knows how many UN resolutions daily. Israel warning europe against iranian terrorist attacks in Europe. Staging a fake terrorist attack in France and then in Denmark. Now eu that was against sanctions on Iran wants to sanction Iran because of this obviously staged attacks. And let’s not forget how they staged 9/11 and used it as an excuse for war on “terror” no matter what they do. They get away with it. Why? Why are there never any consequences for US and Israel.

Because they can. Why cant USA bomb Pakistan? Because USA cant, bc we also have the bomb. So, as Iqbal say: the penalty of weakness is sudden death.

 

[delta2]

Because the USA is the sole superpower at the moment. Although weakened and doesn't enjoy the stature once it enjoyed up until the 90s. It still is a super power.

And because Israel is US's military outpost.

 

[Malik Alashter]

Just in case you do not know, I am former USAF. In the US military, we have something call 'Temporary Duty' or TDY for short. When I was active duty on the F-111, we TDY-ed with many foreign air forces in NATO. When I was on the F-16, we flew with the Saudis and the Egyptians. My final TDY was Desert Storm. You are not talking to someone who never left the US and is ignorant of international affairs. I am 55 yrs old. I know and understand more than you think I do.

Hell ye you know almost every thing about geopolitics in the world.......trust me you're nothing but a brain washed poor fella with all due respect to you

One of the major building blocks of a functional democracy is the protection of minority views. It forces the majority to rethink their positions and to make compromises. Ultimately, the US would be completely helpless if Iraqis reject this component of democracy. Your choice.

protection something and give equal right to the minority that exceed their weight that's not right that means there's something cooked or cooking let me ask you this do you think the minorities in the US can stop country from making any projects without their approval?

Bro God bless your heart it's not that simple as you look at it.

Because the sectarian policies of the Shia caused the Sunni to revolt, that’s why.

Can you name some of the Shia policies that made Sunni revolt otherwise you just talk any shit

The Shia you talk about proved to be way better than you Europeans
The Shia maintained the greatest self restrain something you will never exercise a fraction of it
The Shia got thousand of suicides in their towns you can't stand 00.01 percent of that
Easy talking impossible acting that's who you are

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Hell ye you know almost every thing about geopolitics in the world.......trust me you're nothing but a brain washed poor fella with all due respect to you


protection something and give equal right to the minority that exceed their weight that's not right that means there's something cooked or cooking let me ask you this do you think the minorities in the US can stop country from making any projects without their approval?

Bro God bless your heart it's not that simple as you look at it.

Can you name some of the Shia policies that made Sunni revolt otherwise you just talk any shit

The Shia you talk about proved to be way better than you Europeans
The Shia maintained the greatest self restrain something you will never exercise a fraction of it
The Shia got thousand of suicides in their towns you can't stand 00.01 percent of that
Easy talking impossible acting that's who you are

Just one example.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2014/06/19/how-maliki-ruined-iraq/

 

[gambit]

Hell ye you know almost every thing about geopolitics in the world.......

Not everything, but enough to be more than you.

protection something and give equal right to the minority that exceed their weight that's not right that means there's something cooked or cooking let me ask you this do you think the minorities in the US can stop country from making any projects without their approval?

The mechanisms to protect minority views and their weight are not supposed to be fixed. That is one point -- out of many -- that make up a functional democracy. Each country that enables democratic practices must customize their own ways of doing things.

For example, the US elects the president but the Swiss have a rotating presidency where the president is not elected but changes annually among the council membership. And both countries are considered functional democracies.

Bro God bless your heart it's not that simple as you look at it.

Apparently, it is too complex for you, hence, you so casually dismiss the idea of minority protection. Much easier on the mind to simply oppress them.

 

[rambro]

Here you go:
US Ziocon Regime: I got a big stick
Zionist: I control the big stick

Core problem ---> Might makes right

 

[Malik Alashter]

Just one example.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2014/06/19/how-maliki-ruined-iraq/

Maliky actually was victim of his patriotism
What maliky want is a government that bring all the iraqis that share same views to build the country and make a strong one

Now tell me who would like a strong Iraq from those who involved in it
you guys brain washed by media yet you think you know....... pathetic

Not everything, but enough to be more than you.

In what term or sense? been more than by being brain washed!!

The mechanisms to protect minority views and their weight are not supposed to be fixed. That is one point -- out of many -- that make up a functional democracy. Each country that enables democratic practices must customize their own ways of doing things.

So where did you get that reality that Shia won't protect minorites apparently from Fox news

For example, the US elects the president but the Swiss have a rotating presidency where the president is not elected but changes annually among the council membership. And both countries are considered functional democracies.

And which one we have to follow in this rigard to have your blessings
your system or the the Swes or whom
In our history we have never oppressed any one to do it when we're in ( power )

This whole genocide of thousands of Iraqis on the hand of terrorists meant for one goal is to

1-Take power from the Shia to give it back to some monsters who will obey someone else\
. . = WAR
2- Is to start the 100 years of unholy war between muslims so someone else sleep at night/
someone like you with minimum education will believe every thing media feed him

Apparently, it is too complex for you, hence, you so casually dismiss the idea of minority protection. Much easier on the mind to simply oppress them.

I don't have a history of doing so You talk about your mind set

 

[Falgrine]

Anyway, all actions have reactions as do these invasions.

"It had previously occurred to me that the pikey (muslims) had taken the demise of his mother (their countries) rather lightly. For every action, there is a reaction. And a Pikey (muslim) reaction... is quite a ****ing thing."

Could not help myself here

(Adapted from Snatch, 2000)

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Maliky actually was victim of his patriotism
What maliky want is a government that bring all the iraqis that share same views to build the country and make a strong one

Now tell me who would like a strong Iraq from those who involved in it

Thats what I said - sectarian policies.

The Kurds want to rule themselves, not be part of a ”Strong Iraq”.
Iraq needs to find a way to accommodate all large groups.
That could be a federation.

 

[Nein]

Thats what I said - sectarian policies.

The Kurds want to rule themselves, not be part of a ”Strong Iraq”.
Iraq needs to find a way to accommodate all large groups.
That could be a federation.

The Turks did that they gave autonomy to Assyrians, Sunnis, Shias and Kurds.

The French and ths British screwed it up by throwing the Ottoman system out the window and imposing a united centralised country.

Currrent problems in the Middle East all date back to the Aftermath of WW1 which we can all blame the British and the French for.

Its easy to blame the West or Europeans but im not because the Swedes, Germans, Spanish, Portuguese, Finns, Norwegians, Dutch, Belgians and other Europeans they are innocent from what the British and the French did. Hence why I find it inappropriate to blame the whole West or Europe for that matter.