Why can US and Israel get away with anything?

[gambit]

"Press the button" is more of a figurative term. What I meant is that I would not be surprised if Donald Trump started a war which escalated to the nuclear level... if he thought that he and his family would be safe in bunkers and would benefit from it in the aftermath.

I lived thru Raygun and two Bushes who were also opined by many to have that risk. I stopped taking those opinions seriously after Raygun's first term.

Also, is this wrong?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_football

"It is argued that the President has almost single authority to initiate a nuclear attack since the Secretary of Defense is required to verify the order, but cannot legally veto it."

No, it is not TECHNICALLY wrong. But there are checks and balances that are not in the technical and legal realms. If the entire JCS refused to support a nuclear launch, how many are going to obey in replacement? Most likely no one will. The president cannot force any of them to remain in service and resigning their posts and from military service would make clear their objections in no uncertain terms of how they feel about the order.

I know that people are DESPERATE to lower US down to the level of petty dictatorships all over the world, but usually

 

[Saddam Hussein]

The reason there are so many refugees from the Middle East is that the Muslims there can’t stand someone with a different point of view (most often other Muslims) and think that they should be killed.

Reason I ended up in the west is the US/UN finding it necessary placing the most insane sanctions for over a decade, Saddam and his family enjoyed life like any other elite whilst the population had to eat dry bread from the shitty oil for food programme. What are you going to reply with now, Kuwait? simple minded.

Most Muslims are far from extreme, if they were all extreme the world would be a living hell. That said economics and governance are what impact this, not what Muslims think. Muslims are individuals, not a unified force with unified command.

Anyway, all actions have reactions as do these invasions. Enjoy the Muslim population growth in the west now.

 

[gambit]

Most Muslims are far from extreme,...

Then why do you tolerate extreme leaders?

If you are 'far from extreme', that is an implication you would recognize extremism when you see it, so why do so many Muslims comfortable with living under extremist leaderships? No, you cannot respond by saying things like X is oppressive and supported by the military. One or two countries we can understand, but practically all the ME countries are under extremist governments.

 

[Saddam Hussein]

Then why do you tolerate extreme leaders?

If you are 'far from extreme', that is an implication you would recognize extremism when you see it, so why do so many Muslims comfortable with living under extremist leaderships? No, you cannot respond by saying things like X is oppressive and supported by the military. One or two countries we can understand, but practically all the ME countries are under extremist governments.

Tolerating is a privilege, how does one choose whether to tolerate extreme leaders? Tolerate and extreme are 2 opposites.

That said, 'extreme' in what? Tolerating other opinions? The west does not tolerate other opinions when it comes to the balance of power, they strike militarily when that is the case. Whereas in the middle east militaries influence politics, it is the corporates in the west and both wage war on others.

Do you consider the Gulf states, Jordan, Morocco and Saudi Arabia as extreme? they're all dictatorships approved by the west. The middle east cannot benefit from you as you bring destruction, once you came into Iraq you fueled the retard abu musab al zarqawi. That said, when you come into our countries you fuel extremism in nearly every one of us and make us accept it more and more.

Every past decade is a time of lessened extremism in the middle east, every decade pre-US intervention that is. I wonder why, why should I not be drawn towards those extremists when being invaded by some uneducated hilbilly who just got out of high school?

 

[gambit]

Tolerating is a privilege, how does one choose whether to tolerate extreme leaders? Tolerate and extreme are 2 opposites.

You better find out for yourselves.

That said, 'extreme' in what? Tolerating other opinions? The west does not tolerate other opinions when it comes to the balance of power, they strike militarily when that is the case. Whereas in the middle east militaries influence politics, it is the corporates in the west and both wage war on others.

The highlighted is nonsense. Here is a list of wars in the Middle East...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_modern_conflicts_in_the_Middle_East

There are more wars between the Muslims than from Western interference.

Do you consider the Gulf states, Jordan, Morocco and Saudi Arabia as extreme? they're all dictatorships approved by the west.

Their leaders came from you -- the people. The blaming of the West has to end. Perhaps once it was legitimate, but no longer, and even less once the Soviet Union collapsed.

As for your Iraq, if Saddam Hussein had restrained his dictatorship inside Iraqi borders, your country would not be the state it is today. Whether that is a positive or negative is up to you to decide. The next time you have a strongman, do try to contain him.

 

[Saddam Hussein]

You better find out for yourselves.


The highlighted is nonsense. Here is a list of wars in the Middle East...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_modern_conflicts_in_the_Middle_East

There are more wars between the Muslims than from Western interference.


Their leaders came from you -- the people. The blaming of the West has to end. Perhaps once it was legitimate, but no longer, and even less once the Soviet Union collapsed.

As for your Iraq, if Saddam Hussein had restrained his dictatorship inside Iraqi borders, your country would not be the state it is today. Whether that is a positive or negative is up to you to decide. The next time you have a strongman, do try to contain him.

Says someone whose entire country was born out of invasion, killing locals, settling and then some bloody civil war with today continuous US-led wars around the world.

'The blaming of the west has to end', yet just 6-7 years ago the west was striking Libya and it's already time to forget that? IS beheading people on the Libyan coastline would not have happened if not for your adventure in Libya.

Even in Afghanistan your entire intervention is a failure and caused problems. First aiding the mujahideen in the 80's, then fighting them (Taliban) whom you won't be able to defeat anyway as they're basically a large part of the population. Afghanistan was doing pretty well before this American adventure, in the 60's and 70's women didn't have to cover up their hair, America came and fucked it to the ground. Now Islamism thrives there, Iraq same story we didn't have any terrorism before Zarqawi was enabled to start his chapter in Iraq thanks to the US.

Whenever you come around you plant cancer, do yourself and the world a favor and sit back since these are matters you know nothing of. You can provide military assistance to a government which can at times do good, though whenever you take lead and decide to go against the ruling government you will fuel extremism.

 

[gambit]

Says someone whose entire country was born out of invasion, killing locals, settling and then some bloody civil war with today continuous US-led wars around the world.

And how far back do you want to go for your Iraq to find the same things?

...do yourself and the world a favor and sit back...

Take your own advice. The next time Iraq chose a strongman, do try to contain him.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Reason I ended up in the west is the US/UN finding it necessary placing the most insane sanctions for over a decade, Saddam and his family enjoyed life like any other elite whilst the population had to eat dry bread from the shitty oil for food programme. What are you going to reply with now, Kuwait? simple minded.

Most Muslims are far from extreme, if they were all extreme the world would be a living hell. That said economics and governance are what impact this, not what Muslims think. Muslims are individuals, not a unified force with unified command.

Anyway, all actions have reactions as do these invasions. Enjoy the Muslim population growth in the west now.

Saddam was running Iraq for personal gain.
He killed any opposition, and then decided that his stupid idea to invade Iran
needed to be financed by stealing Quwait.
It certainly fits my point of view.
That became his end.
Saddam had options to handle the situation after that.
He choose again personal gain, and sacrificed Iraq for that.
He is to blame for his own decisions.
The main reason for Gulf War II is in my opinion that the left was bringing massive political pressure on the US to lift thise sanction leaving Saddam in power free to do what he wanted.

It is interesting that you imply that having many Muslims in a country is a bad idea.

 

[SALMAN F]

Then why do you tolerate extreme leaders?

If you are 'far from extreme', that is an implication you would recognize extremism when you see it, so why do so many Muslims comfortable with living under extremist leaderships? No, you cannot respond by saying things like X is oppressive and supported by the military. One or two countries we can understand, but practically all the ME countries are under extremist governments.

Because western animals never did anything to help the Arabs to get rid of their dictators in fact they helped these dictators to stay in power because they were serving your interests

Just how your animal leaders turn blind eye for the Saudis who killed a journalist inside their consulate while barking at Iran

Your animals say Iran oppresses it’s women and gays and they are murder regime as if your animal allies like sisi and Al Saud and bin zayed don’t do the same?!

like creating a fake report and using it to Bomb Iraq and getting away with it. Taliban. Making ww2 seem like a war against Jews and using it to create Israel. Creating Taliban and then using it as excuse to invade and take over Afghanistan. Topple Libya. Arm terrorists in Syria to topple Assad. Israel getting away with massacring Palestinians and breaking God knows how many UN resolutions daily. Israel warning europe against iranian terrorist attacks in Europe. Staging a fake terrorist attack in France and then in Denmark. Now eu that was against sanctions on Iran wants to sanction Iran because of this obviously staged attacks. And let’s not forget how they staged 9/11 and used it as an excuse for war on “terror” no matter what they do. They get away with it. Why? Why are there never any consequences for US and Israel.

Because they are just like the Muslims the deserve each other’s for example

They give them selves the right to own a nuclear bombs while they forbid it to the others?!!

Muslims give themselves the right to invade others in the name of jihad while when some one invade them they call it colonialism?!!

 

[gambit]

Because western animals never did anything to help the Arabs to get rid of their dictators...

We did. We removed Saddam Hussein and the Taliban. Now go and improve those countries, I dare you.

 

[Malik Alashter]

Muslims give themselves the right to invade others in the name of jihad while when some one invade them they call it colonialism?!!

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We did. We removed Saddam Hussein and the Taliban. Now go and improve those countries, I dare you.

You just see part of the cup or know part of the story

In iraq the US insist that the Majority share power with the minorities to the limit that the majority can't move a brick from it's place without the minorities approval?? guess why??

 

[kaykay]

Many things are there but most importantly, while USA is bad, opponents you mentioned are worse in the eyes of most of the countries.

 

[500]

The situation is totally opposite. Here some small example.

In December 1992 Israel deported to Lebanon 415 terrorists from Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad. This caused a GLOBAL OUTRAGE all over the world, even US attacked Israel. As result in February 1993 Israel was forced to return them back.

In 1991 Kuwait expelled 400,000 Palestinian civilians. No one gave a damn.

In 1993 and 2008 Russia expelled some 300,000 Georgian civilians. No one gave a damn.

Since 2011 Assad with help of Russia and Iran expelled 12 million Syrian civilians. No one gave a damn.

 

[gambit]

You just see part of the cup or know part of the story

Just in case you do not know, I am former USAF. In the US military, we have something call 'Temporary Duty' or TDY for short. When I was active duty on the F-111, we TDY-ed with many foreign air forces in NATO. When I was on the F-16, we flew with the Saudis and the Egyptians. My final TDY was Desert Storm. You are not talking to someone who never left the US and is ignorant of international affairs. I am 55 yrs old. I know and understand more than you think I do.

In iraq the US insist that the Majority share power with the minorities to the limit that the majority can't move a brick from it's place without the minorities approval?? guess why??

One of the major building blocks of a functional democracy is the protection of minority views. It forces the majority to rethink their positions and to make compromises. Ultimately, the US would be completely helpless if Iraqis reject this component of democracy. Your choice.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

A+


You just see part of the cup or know part of the story

In iraq the US insist that the Majority share power with the minorities to the limit that the majority can't move a brick from it's place without the minorities approval?? guess why??

Because the sectarian policies of the Shia caused the Sunni to revolt, that’s why.
As long as Iraqis vote according to sects, it will be in a miserable situation.

Because western animals never did anything to help the Arabs to get rid of their dictators in fact they helped these dictators to stay in power because they were serving your interests

Just how your animal leaders turn blind eye for the Saudis who killed a journalist inside their consulate while barking at Iran

Your animals say Iran oppresses it’s women and gays and they are murder regime as if your animal allies like sisi and Al Saud and bin zayed don’t do the same?!


Because they are just like the Muslims the deserve each other’s for example

They give them selves the right to own a nuclear bombs while they forbid it to the others?!!

Muslims give themselves the right to invade others in the name of jihad while when some one invade them they call it colonialism?!!

The West got rid of the Ottoman Empire, allowing the Arabs to rule themselves,
and have been doing so ever since.
The West got rid of Saddam Hussein.
The West did not support Mubarak, during the Arab Spring,
neither did it support al-Sisi replacing the Moron in charge.
The West enabled the Libyans to get rid of their Rapist in Charge.
It also protected the victims of Serbia (after a slow start).

The West will do business with most people, but we still prefer our business partners to be democratic. This does not mean that power brokers will not work in the shadows.

Which Western politician got elected because they want to do a coup anywhere?