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Previous thread: http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian...l-operating-buying-new-bvr-less-fighters.html
I was just going through some links and wiki, and it surprised me how many BVR-less fighters are in our neighborhood.
Fighters-------Numbers
Pakistan
F-7MP----------95
F-7PG----------48
Mirage III------98
Total----------241
Bangladesh
F-7MB------------8
F-7BG------------15
Total----------23
China
PLAAF
J-7/F-7------------350 (MiG-21 copy)
J-8----------------180 (Su-15 copy?)
JH-7---------------70
PLAN
J-7/F-7------------30 (MiG-21 copy)
J-8----------------48 (Su-15 copy?)
JH-7---------------35
Total----------713
India
Airforce
All of our fighters are BVR capable!
Navy
All our fighters are BVR capable!
Jaguar, MiG-27, A-5, Mirage-5 are bombers and don't have Air to Air radars. So they are excluded.
When the world is moving towards BVR fighters with semi-stealth or stealth features, we have our neighbours who are operating BVR-less fighters and buying new ones. While India has upgraded their MiG-21Bis to BVR capable Bisons with HMS and all the goodies, these counties are still operating these relics. There have been rumours that Pakistan's Mirage-3s are BVR capable, but there is no concrete proof(only a Think Tank said that pakistan is getting south african darter missiles, but as we all know Think Tanks are often wrong in their predictions and their analysis, plus no proof photo or written news from established sources says that they are BVR capable). Pakistan acquired brand new F-7PGs just 10 years ago while India was busy inducting Su-30s. While Bangladesh is still yet to receive their BVR-less F-7BGI in the age of Super Sukhoi's, Rafales and MiG-29Ks.
So what gives? For heaven sakes, lets not talk about "we will get this, we will get that X years or XX years from now" fanboy bullshit and be objective for once. This is the situation NOW! Currently at present!!! If a war starts now, or in 2 years from now, your future dream-planes will not fight for you.
What is the logic behind this move? They don't value the life of their individual pilots and plan to win by numbers? Is it corruption? Incompetence? Lack of fore thought? It is perplexing to say the least.
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You are the who should do proper research. They still haven't given proof for their claims that IAF fighters(not bombers) are not BVR capable, and neither have you. And for J-8, i clearly said - "If you have a better source please post it along with how many of them are with BVR capable." That pic you posted could very well be a a pic taken during testing.
So you close threads when you feel like it? Nice moderator ethics. Keep it up!
I was just going through some links and wiki, and it surprised me how many BVR-less fighters are in our neighborhood.
Fighters-------Numbers
Pakistan
F-7MP----------95
F-7PG----------48
Mirage III------98
Total----------241
Bangladesh
F-7MB------------8
F-7BG------------15
Total----------23
China
PLAAF
J-7/F-7------------350 (MiG-21 copy)
J-8----------------180 (Su-15 copy?)
JH-7---------------70
PLAN
J-7/F-7------------30 (MiG-21 copy)
J-8----------------48 (Su-15 copy?)
JH-7---------------35
Total----------713
India
Airforce
All of our fighters are BVR capable!
Navy
All our fighters are BVR capable!
Jaguar, MiG-27, A-5, Mirage-5 are bombers and don't have Air to Air radars. So they are excluded.
When the world is moving towards BVR fighters with semi-stealth or stealth features, we have our neighbours who are operating BVR-less fighters and buying new ones. While India has upgraded their MiG-21Bis to BVR capable Bisons with HMS and all the goodies, these counties are still operating these relics. There have been rumours that Pakistan's Mirage-3s are BVR capable, but there is no concrete proof(only a Think Tank said that pakistan is getting south african darter missiles, but as we all know Think Tanks are often wrong in their predictions and their analysis, plus no proof photo or written news from established sources says that they are BVR capable). Pakistan acquired brand new F-7PGs just 10 years ago while India was busy inducting Su-30s. While Bangladesh is still yet to receive their BVR-less F-7BGI in the age of Super Sukhoi's, Rafales and MiG-29Ks.
So what gives? For heaven sakes, lets not talk about "we will get this, we will get that X years or XX years from now" fanboy bullshit and be objective for once. This is the situation NOW! Currently at present!!! If a war starts now, or in 2 years from now, your future dream-planes will not fight for you.
What is the logic behind this move? They don't value the life of their individual pilots and plan to win by numbers? Is it corruption? Incompetence? Lack of fore thought? It is perplexing to say the least.
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You are the who should do proper research. They still haven't given proof for their claims that IAF fighters(not bombers) are not BVR capable, and neither have you. And for J-8, i clearly said - "If you have a better source please post it along with how many of them are with BVR capable." That pic you posted could very well be a a pic taken during testing.
So you close threads when you feel like it? Nice moderator ethics. Keep it up!
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