Why Agencies have showed such strong attitude against the Shia Community? A mistake?

[veg]

Pakistani Shias have not killed a SINGLE Pakistani Army Jawan up till now (as compared to the Takfiri camp which killed thousands of Jawans).

This shows, that despite them having soft corner for Syrian Assad, they are in no way against the State of Pakistan.


https://www.bbc.com/urdu/pakistan-44288371

Today BBC published the photos of Shias where they were arrested by the agencies, and then they went "missing" after that. They were not presented in the courts. They are missing for the last 18 months and their families know not a single thing if they are living or not.

It is not a WISE way of doing things.

It is "unnecessarily" causing panic in the Pakistani Shia community.

If they have doubts, then they could arrest the person. They could also torture if they think it to be necessary. But torture could still be done even if the family is told about the whereabouts, and also the persons presented to the courts.

If they have doubts, then they could rearrest any person and interrogate again even by torturing. No problem in it, but when the people get "missing", then this brings really bad name to the agencies. No one cares about the torture during arrest, but "missing" means hatred against the agencies increases many folds.

Actually these Pakistani Shias are posing any immediate threat to the State of Pakistan, and thus such extreme attitude is unnecessary.

Little little things make a big problem one day.

(1) Missing Pashtuns.
And we see the reaction in form of movement of Manzoon Pashteen.

(2) Missing Baluchs
And we see the problems in Baluchistan.

(3) Missing MQM members
And we see that Muhajir community does have problems with this missing persons phenomena.

(4) Missing Shia members
It will bring questions in the minds of the Pakistani Shia community.

(5) Media and above the law activities of the agencies
Again not a good idea and should be avoided.

(6) Nawaz Sharif and his supporters will also try to pose problems for the Army. So we need united Pakistan at the moment.

(7) We know Zardari is also against Army. And Sindh may also cause problems one day.

Pak Army is respected in Pakistan. But Army has to be aware of it's enemies. The acts, which are above the law, should only be practised in absolute emergency situations.

 

[war&peace]

Mate don't trust BBC. They are trying to incite a sectarian war in Pakistan. Do you remember that Gen. Bajwa himself visited Quetta and met with Hazara community after their demand. He gave them full assurance. Takfiris have killed far more Sunnis than Shias but that does not mean we start abusing the agencies. These Takfiris are playing in the hands of enemies of Pakistan and their aim is to destabilise the country and turn it into Syria and Iraq. Shias have fared much better in Pakistan than many other countries so be patient and grateful. We stand by our Shia brothers and I know there have been a tough for them like for rest of the country.

 

[Jf Thunder]

oh come on man?
everyday many Pakistanis are killed, what kind of idiot comes up with this ethnic, religious divide for dead people?
should we start counting the Sunnis that are dead in bomb blasts and target killings?

 

[veg]

Mate don't trust BBC. They are trying to incite a sectarian war in Pakistan. Do you remember that Gen. Bajwa himself visited Quetta and met with Hazara community after their demand. He gave them full assurance. Takfiris have killed far more Sunnis than Shias but that does not mean we start abusing the agencies. These Takfiris are playing in the hands of enemies of Pakistan and their aim is to destabilise the country and turn it into Syria and Iraq. Shias have fared much better in Pakistan than many other countries so be patient and grateful. We stand by our Shia brothers and I know there have been a tough for them like for rest of the country.

BBC should not be trusted, but still I am afraid that missing Shia persons are not fake.

Agree with you with the rest.

Bajwa's going to Quetta was very good.

Pak Army is being Trusted by the Shia community most, even more than any judiciary or any political party. Pak Army is the last hope of all oppressed and the minorities and all of those who love Pakistan.

Despite all this, Pak Army has to be very careful about it's enemies and must go WISELY and avoid any unnecessary show of power, which is above the law. Pakistan and Pak Army are facing huge challenges.

oh come on man?
everyday many Pakistanis are killed, what kind of idiot comes up with this ethnic, religious divide for dead people?
should we start counting the Sunnis that are dead in bomb blasts and target killings?

I request you to please make sure you have read the whole posts and understood the message properly, while your reply here is totally different than what has been argued here.

Moreover, your argument is many Pakistanis are killed, therefore there is no need of making any worries about the "missing" Shias and their families.

You have the photo of Afia Siddiqui as your Avatar.

What if someone tell you thousands of Pakistanis die, so you should forget the arrest of Afia?

 

[war&peace]

BBC should not be trusted, but still I am afraid that missing Shia persons are not fake.

Agree with you with the rest.

Bajwa's going to Quetta was very good.

Pak Army is being Trusted by the Shia community most, even more than any judiciary or any political party. Pak Army is the last hope of all oppressed and the minorities and all of those who love Pakistan.

Despite all this, Pak Army has to be very careful about it's enemies and must go WISELY and avoid any unnecessary show of power, which is above the law. Pakistan and Pak Army are facing huge challenges.

Yup that's more realistic. Now I tell you that this missing person drama is very complicated. A lot of times these terrorist organisation and other agencies like FIA are involved. ISI does not get into these sorts of shitty jobs..they mainly focus on bigger threats. I would request all Ahle-Tasshiyyo to vote for PTI because I'm sure it will clean the police force from the criminals who have been politically appointed and support a certain ideology. I mean check Rana Sanaullah and his connection with terrorists and takfiris.

 

[CIS-TRANS]

Why you guys are playing sectarian card, and inciting hatred by generalising the issue with whole shia community, if they are linked with any anti state activity then regardless of whatever religion they follow, A threat will be dealt with an iron fist. Its nothing against shia in particular, what if another group of people stand up and claiming same about sunnis by showing images of some random criminals.

 

[Metanoia]

This issue does exist, but not on a scale as it is usually depicted or talked about. Also, other minorities such as the Christians and Hindus have it far worse than the Shias in Pakistan.

Another thing to consider is that the Shias in Pakistan have a lot of internal issues of serious nature.

 

[Azadkashmir]

Ever noticed that no other agency provokes people with these news crap propaganda cnn fox bbc but never see Russian or Chinese or Turkish.

BBC = British brainwashing corporation.

 

[veg]

Yup that's more realistic. Now I tell you that this missing person drama is very complicated. A lot of times these terrorist organisation and other agencies like FIA are involved. ISI does not get into these sorts of shitty jobs..they mainly focus on bigger threats. I would request all Ahle-Tasshiyyo to vote for PTI because I'm sure it will clean the police force from the criminals who have been politically appointed and support a certain ideology. I mean check Rana Sanaullah and his connection with terrorists and takfiris.

Even if it is has been done by FIA, still blame is coming upon Army.

And then question is who is going to ask FIA to not to use such extreme procedures of making Pakistani citizens "missing"?

Who has ordered the FIA to do so? And why Judiciary is giving free hand to the FIA to do so?

My overall message is simple, whichever agency is involved in it, please be aware that such drastic actions are perhaps not required and not wise, and desired results could be achieved while staying within the premises of the law.

 

[Sugarcane]

If they've not returned after 18 months then they're not innocent and BBC raising voice is testimony of this. Although I am not in favor of giving power to agencies without being answerable but this is the only option in current situation and way our judicial system works. So, stop propagating western propaganda to incite sectarian war in Pakistan like they've done it in other places,.

 

[Jf Thunder]

I request you to please make sure you have read the whole posts and understood the message properly, while your reply here is totally different than what has been argued here.

Moreover, your argument is many Pakistanis are killed, therefore there is no need of making any worries about the "missing" Shias and their families.

You have the photo of Afia Siddiqui as your Avatar.

What if someone tell you thousands of Pakistanis die, so you should forget the arrest of Afia?

Aafia is one of the missing Pakistanis, did I mention anywhere that she was a Sunni or Shia?
be all means protest for missing Pakistanis, but playing the sectarian card? That is just low

 

[veg]

Why you guys are playing sectarian card, and inciting hatred by generalising the issue with whole shia community, if they are linked with any anti state activity then regardless of whatever religion they follow, A threat will be dealt with an iron fist. Its nothing against shia in particular, what if another group of people stand up and claiming same about sunnis by showing images of some random criminals.

You misunderstood.

Here is not the question of right/wrong, but the question of WISE vs Unwise manner of doing things.

Pakistani Law gives permission to arrest such persons, and torture could be done after their arrest and no one is going to complaint against it.

But if you make people "missing" and thus torture the whole family, including the children, then strong protests is done against it and enemies of Pak Army gets the chance to do propaganda against it.

And thus it is unwise.

I say just arrest them, present them to the court, get 90 days arrest warrants, do torture if want to do, but don't make them "missing" for their families.

Aafia is one of the missing Pakistanis, did I mention anywhere that she was a Sunni or Shia?
be all means protest for missing Pakistanis, but playing the sectarian card? That is just low

What difference does it make if any one is a Shia or Sunni or Hindu or any one?

Making them "missing" is not wise.

By making them "missing", you are torturing their innocent families including their children.

 

[Metanoia]

@veg Why do you reckon they're picked up?

 

[CIS-TRANS]

You misunderstood.

Here is not the question of right/wrong, but the question of WISE vs Unwise manner of doing things.

Pakistani Law gives permission to arrest such persons, and torture could be done after their arrest and no one is going to complaint against it.

But if you make people "missing" and thus torture the whole family, including the children, then strong protests is done against it and enemies of Pak Army gets the chance to do propaganda against it.

And thus it is unwise.

I say just arrest them, present them to the court, get 90 days arrest warrants, do torture if want to do, but don't make them "missing" for their families.

You have mentioned shia and the role of agencies against them in thread title, its clearly reflecting UNWISE actions of targeting specific minority by the agencies of Pakistan, while if the topic is UNWISE actions of agencies or either missing persons then why this thread title is misleading?

 

[Pomegranate]

Propaganda nothing else... Pakistan Army zindabad Pakistan Zindabad.