LOL! So your going to come up here with bunch of assumptions put together and debate with us?
written, of course, "By Indranil Banerjie, Rupak Chattopadhyay and Air Marshal (Retired) C.V.Gole"
written, of course, "By Indranil Banerjie, Rupak Chattopadhyay and Air Marshal (Retired) C.V.Gole"
"By the end of the first week of the war, PAF fighters in the West appeared to have lost their will to fight. By this time, the IAF was repeatedly hitting secondary targets including railway yards, cantonments, bridges and other installations as well as providing close air support to the Army wherever it was required. (My note: Duh? both sides struck at type of targets mentioned above) The most dangerous were the close air support missions which involved flying low and exposing aircraft to intense ground fire. The IAF lost the most aircraft on these missions as is proved by the high losses suffered by IAF Sukhoi-7 and Hunter squadrons. But their pilots flew sortie after sortie keeping up with the Army and disrupting enemy troop and tank concentrations.
Once it was known that the Indian Army was knocking at the gates of Dhaka, the PAF in the West virtually gave up flying. During the last few days of the war, the IAF brass ordered attacks on PAF airfields with the sole purpose of drawing out their aircraft. But that rarely succeeded as the PAF aircraft for the most part remained secured inside their pens, refusing to come out and fight. The strongest indictment of the Pakistani Air Force was made not by an Indian but by the Pakistani leader, Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, who took over from General Yahya Yahya Khan after the 1971 defeat. On taking over, he made a speech in which he castigated the PAF chief Air Marshal Rahim Khan and several other officers by name."
^^^looking at the part in bold for the paragraph above, it seems Chuck Yeager's words were not as ridiculous as we thought. seriously, Vinod, if this is your idea of a joke, I suggest you stop wasting our time. do not make me post more than I have to, I already have enough to deal with. when I first came, I wasted time arguing with indians. now, I waste time arguing with "jahel" or ignorant Pakistanis about democracy and the economy. I can't keep doing this yaar!
. Same thing happend on our side they said we shot 3 planes and lost 1, A lot of things were written wrong to keep the people strong and you will agree to this point . The difference between 1965 and 1971 war was that 71 war to fast and yes I admit that both side have kept things under the blanket since the war but the truth is that what our guys and the Americans gathered info is what we have and according to several agencies we did have a 3 to 1 ratio. Now if you look at the numbers of plane in the inventory of IAF no one has a correct number no one and this info was given to me by one of my Indian cousemates in USA , but we being a smaller air force it was very visible how many planes we got f-86s from USA and Iran plus F-5s ( which did not take part in the war the dame planes didn't have ejection seat cartridges in them ). Now after the war we could tell that these are the numbers we have on ground but when the same question was asked to IAF they gave us a figure which would suggest that either they had fighters 7 times more than PAF or they are not giving us the right number because if they had so many planes they would have run us over in 1 day. Another thing 3 of our pilots who got shot are not even mentioned in the books and in am 100% sure IAF had done the same they just didn't mention. Remember I told you your minister got shot in a helicopter we have 7FF and 4 of us as witnesses that it was shot down by IAF by accident that chapter doesn't even exist in your books and vise versa.
Normally I am a cool minded guy don't get angry but there is so much a person can take specially when it comes to PAF. NO one is more dear to me than PAF if I can ground and suspend my own son for something he did , How can I sit on a forum a listen to all the arguments made against PAF.
To tell you the truth you will not like my answers if I give you . so forget it I am not going into that at all.
I will just give you a small example we were 3 F-86 vs 4 Gnats 2 of us shot the plane all 3 of us saw it going down but it went inside India during that one of our guys go shot down ( God bless all there souls).
When we came back we developed the film and yes the bullets hit the Gnat now we had a problem claiming it by the evidence we had and what we saw we got 2 planes, and IAF got 1 of us but the very next day in the Indian news it came that 4 Gnats shot 3 sabers. Now tell me at that time what could I or my course mates do
So my friend I might be retired but I can't just open my mouth and give out info just like that If one day PAF decides to declassify its there choice but what I have seen and what I had done and what I have read I am talking about classified we did have greater ratio of kills. Do you think PAF was happy when East had to surrender the war was over if we had a 1000 planes we couldn't have stopped the separation it was inevitable.
We can go round and round with this topic but the out come will never be right from your point as a Indian and my point as a Pakistani.
And yes we did take photos during the war and why not 15 plus pilots of PAF against 110 fighters and bombers of IAF do you think that is a jock. We all talk about war who won and who lost if you would have been in my place you will never right the word War why? Its very hard to pick up pieces of your brother and put the in a bucket. Human body is mostly water and at the speed you crash most of the stuff turns to liquid.
