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Who will build better future for Russia

Who will build better future for Russia ?? ít Russia himself. He needs some pple who have a good vision , good logic analysis to fore-see what may happen when he decides to do something.

Russia also need some pple who good at running economy, and they will not be CNese or Jew.
 
@ JaiMin Thank you for your reasonable advices and analysis.

In the world still dominated by the West and Western media, a degree in the Phillipines or India may be "recognized", but degrees from far more advanced technologically countries (that's why they can be and dare to be enemies to the West) like North Korea and Russia may be not, I understand.

And I also understand that, to be qualified to work for "multinational companies" in Vietnam, all you need is good English command, not skill and talents. At the moment, working for foreign companies (for the mass: accounting, clerical staff or at best, engineering work at lower level) can earn much higher salaries than for domestic ones, that the main reason why people favor a degree from the West or their lapdog countries .

But in order to found and manage a new business, to invent new technologies or to become good CEO, or even to become just a good engineer, to make Vietnam become like South Korea or Taiwan, rather than remaining bogged down in poverty and developing country status, it is a different issue.

I have interviewed and worked with many Indian and Filipino engineers. Their English skills are excellent, at least to East Asian ears like me, that make them so complicated and easy to be employed in any interview. But after that, their work quality are from bad to mediocre at best.

Uhm can you not use the word lap dog, nobody like to take insult. Actually a degree in Philippine and India not widely recognise in the World except certain area like Healthcare mb. This article sum up what democracy in many part of the world are like, quite good article i recommend you to read

The Puzzle of Liberal Democracy by Dani Rodrik and Sharun Mukand - Project Syndicate

Actually in many "democracy" countries, the candidate run for president may not be competent candidate, they just need finace, the power of media play mext and voter after long period of time may get tired and give up, that's why in many "democracy" countries fewer and fewer people taking the vote, they may assume it is still the same result btw why waste time and effort?
Every system got it weakness

About working for MNCs, it is quite opposite in my experience, you just need skill and basic English command to applied for work if you applied for job you list above. For that working for foreign company can gain higher than domestic is not always true. As you know rule of the market, supply exceed demands, price will go down. Foreign company job market i think is going to saturated and situation will not last long.

About your third point, what is trouble in Vietnam is government give too much priviledge to state companies, it lack competition in the market and state companies too easy to access to finance, it make them lack motivation and aim for profit and corruption ofc. Most inventation and innovation in the world was done by middle class and private sector. I think let private companies growth, if they become crucial part of economy, support them or make them state companies. I think recently, privatised many SOEs is good moves, they are like "Little Emperor" in our countries, joining TPP is also good choice since it brings COMPETITION. No need to point bad side of its, every trade pact is double edge, it is govt strategy and countries ability to reap full benefit

Yes, becuase English language is crucial for doing business (in the world) and your opportunity is widen if you can speak or master the language. They don't have job training system in the countries, complicated job advice and guide channel and majority lack job experiened, simple as that. And MNCs just need cheap labour to do hard and repetitive work,( it is very easy getting bored with that kind of job and able to communicate).They annual send a lot of money back to their homeland annually and acquire skills and know-how. In Philippine, money send back from oversea is one of crucial part of the economy, see the article:

The Diaspora Goldmine by Ricardo Hausmann - Project Syndicate
 
Thank JaiMin,

I think your thinking and explanation is quite reasonable.

However, in my opinion, a worker/engineer/manager can only work well if they believe in himself, i.e. they believe what they do is superior to others. For that, English skills can be helpful to workers/engineers to work for a MNC, but at the same time, giving them the inferior complex to foreign boss, and therefore, they will never excel. Henceforth, the work quality coming from such workers/engineers will never be superior, even if they have worked continuously for 50 years.

Japanese, Chinese, Korean, German are notoriously for their quality. (Believe me, Chinese quality are truly superb, if you compare with the cost, that's why their products are so popular. And according to ISO definition, quality is meeting the customer's demand, and Chinese products surely do). And they only use their language in the work, not English.

Only when workers feel they are superior, then can the quality of their products be superior. Only when engineers feel they are superior (no need to learn any foreign language, we can do better than them), then can they invent, innovate and create new products. English training are very harmful to this feeling. Otherwise, Vietnam will be permanently a developing countries, providing endless supply of cheap workers to MNCs, but never truly master any technology. And that is the destiny of most developing countries.

Such short explanation may not good and easy to understand enough. However, almost 10 years ago, I published a book on quality management, and I understand what is the importance to work quality.
 
However, in my opinion, a worker/engineer/manager can only work well if they believe in himself, i.e. they believe what they do is superior to others. For that, English skills can be helpful to workers/engineers to work for a MNC, but at the same time, giving them the inferior complex to foreign boss, and therefore, they will never excel. Henceforth, the work quality coming from such workers/engineers will never be superior, even if they have worked continuously for 50 years.

Japanese, Chinese, Korean, German are notoriously for their quality. (Believe me, Chinese quality are truly superb, if you compare with the cost, that's why their products are so popular. And according to ISO definition, quality is meeting the customer's demand, and Chinese products surely do). And they only use their language in the work, not English.

Only when workers feel they are superior, then can the quality of their products be superior. Only when engineers feel they are superior (no need to learn any foreign language, we can do better than them), then can they invent, innovate and create new products. English training are very harmful to this feeling. Otherwise, Vietnam will be permanently a developing countries, providing endless supply of cheap workers to MNCs, but never truly master any technology. And that is the destiny of most developing countries.

Such short explanation may not good and easy to understand enough. However, almost 10 years ago, I published a book on quality management, and I understand what is the importance to work quality.

Your theory sounds :cuckoo:. You sound like those really old Vietnamese “researcher” who is out of touch with reality and have your own unfounded theory that would never be accepted by renowned international publisher. First of all, you do realize that if people, no matter where they are from, are going to excel in higher level research, they would usually need to have a good grasp of the English language, whether its in the hard science like engineering or soft science like politics, finance, etc? Thats because at the higher research level, they all need to interact with their peers, be familiar with the literature and research that has already being published. And most of those are published in English. And depending on the field, some researchers would also need to learn additional languages like German and French if the significant amount of the publications done in their field are published in those language. So reading you saying that learning English is bad make me see your theory is garbage.

And you are wrong, many scholars in Japan, South Korea and China do have a working knowledge of the English language or other important languages (out of all asian countries, SK parents probably pressure their kids to learn English the most). This is in big contrast to Vietnam where most old useless researchers cannot read English and therefore are not up to date with the contemporary and cutting edge research (excuse me @JaiMin, Im not talking about your old man, I can tell he is a good researcher since he is supporting nghiencuuquocte and want be up to date with contemporary foreign publications).

Anyway, I didn’t want to be harsh on you AViet. But seeing you mentioned that you have published 10 years ago about your theory makes me think that you are one of those old Vietnamese researchers who is out of touch with reality and is dragging down Vietnamese higher education with your unfounded theory and conservatism. I have already discussed this with another Vietnamese member and showed our disdain for these kind of “researchers” or “ professors”.
 
Thank JaiMin,

I think your thinking and explanation is quite reasonable.

However, in my opinion, a worker/engineer/manager can only work well if they believe in himself, i.e. they believe what they do is superior to others. For that, English skills can be helpful to workers/engineers to work for a MNC, but at the same time, giving them the inferior complex to foreign boss, and therefore, they will never excel. Henceforth, the work quality coming from such workers/engineers will never be superior, even if they have worked continuously for 50 years.

Japanese, Chinese, Korean, German are notoriously for their quality. (Believe me, Chinese quality are truly superb, if you compare with the cost, that's why their products are so popular. And according to ISO definition, quality is meeting the customer's demand, and Chinese products surely do). And they only use their language in the work, not English.

Only when workers feel they are superior, then can the quality of their products be superior. Only when engineers feel they are superior (no need to learn any foreign language, we can do better than them), then can they invent, innovate and create new products. English training are very harmful to this feeling. Otherwise, Vietnam will be permanently a developing countries, providing endless supply of cheap workers to MNCs, but never truly master any technology. And that is the destiny of most developing countries.

Such short explanation may not good and easy to understand enough. However, almost 10 years ago, I published a book on quality management, and I understand what is the importance to work quality.


Actuallt no, a person with insecure complex will alway feel insecure no matter what is the environment, you just point one minor sided of it, what about it create an motivation and aim for the employees to excel to become more like their boss? Family and growth up environment play more major role in shaping their character and complex.

About your second point, they all first let's MNCs set up business in their countries and learn experience from them, at the same time acquire skill, know how and management skill. And lastly excel themselve. In a market, there are many different demand and not all products require strict ISO. Most customers want to buy cheap with acceptable quality. ISO process require a lot of money, it can increase cost and made product more expensive.

About your third point, a lot of students from those countries study foreign language and studying oversea when their countries is developing, still now many study foreign languages, it make them inferior? Really? You know President Ho Chi Minh right, he can speak fluent 16 languages, what do you think of his ability and competent? Lee Kwan Yew even don't speak fluent Maderin, at home his family speak English most the time. Again it is all up to family, growth up environment and education

Your theory sounds :cuckoo:. You sound like those really old Vietnamese “researcher” who is out of touch with reality and have your own unfounded theory that would never be accepted by renowned international publisher. First of all, you do realize that if people, no matter where they are from, are going to excel in higher level research, they would usually need to have a good grasp of the English language, whether its in the hard science like engineering or soft science like politics, finance, etc? Thats because at the higher research level, they all need to interact with their peers, be familiar with the literature and research that has already being published. And most of those are published in English. And depending on the field, some researchers would also need to learn additional languages like German and French if the significant amount of the publications done in their field are published in those language. So reading you saying that learning English is bad make me see your theory is garbage.

And you are wrong, many scholars in Japan, South Korea and China do have a working knowledge of the English language or other important languages (out of all asian countries, SK parents probably pressure their kids to learn English the most). This is in big contrast to Vietnam where most old useless researchers cannot read English and therefore are not up to date with the contemporary and cutting edge research (excuse me @JaiMin, Im not talking about your old man, I can tell he is a good researcher since he is supporting nghiencuuquocte and want be up to date with contemporary foreign publications).

Anyway, I didn’t want to be harsh on you AViet. But seeing you mentioned that you have published 10 years ago about your theory makes me think that you are one of those old Vietnamese researchers who is out of touch with reality and is dragging down Vietnamese higher education with your unfounded theory and conservatism. I have already discussed this with another Vietnamese member and showed our disdain for these kind of “researchers” or “ professors”.

Agree with you for the first point, most research pdf are publish in english along with origin language

I disagree with you for second, China is prob the country where people willing to study English most and parent pressure their children to do so also. South Korea also yeah, a lot of them go to South East Asia countries like Philippine, Singapore, Malaysia,... To study English, but in number can't match China. See these article:

China Moves to Protect Its Language From English - Businessweek
(@mike2000 is back you may interested in the article)

My father is no more working as researcher and his English language fluency is alright only, he was only study since he got invite to work in Kuwait. He mostly done research in French and Russian since he was gaining degree in those two countries before. Alot of our researcher are fluence in Russian and lesser extent French really, but you know they got overwhelming by those "corrupt" researcher or professor. Many young generation researcher now fluences in English so it is a good sign, more people access to quality work, the better the knowledgr and education of the mass:cheers:
 
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Who will build better future for Russia ?? ít Russia himself.

Correct.

Russia.

Are u for real? u should read history of Korea during 20th centuary and Asia that time in particular, if not the world. After Japan and Korea treaty in 1910, Korea is official annexed by Japan, but unlike Western colonialist (except mb Britain-only certain place), they basically suck up everything in colonialised countries and make local working in slave like condition, only certain amount of people in colonialised countries whose those colonialist see can co-operate and show loyalty to them can have education and have some right. Most infrastructure was build only for sole purpose of sucking all the resources and transport back to colonialist countries, which make output of colonialised countries basically very low. But it is not the case of Korea under Japan rule, from 1910 to 1945, economic output of Korea increased by ten to fifteen fold, see the chart: (or search economic production or output of Korea under Japanese rule chart)

Production_in_Korea_under_Japanese_rule.png


Following the annexed, The public education for most of the period was taught by Korean educators under a hybrid system focused on assimilating Koreans into the Japanese empire while emphasizing Korean cultural education. It is basically the method of assimilate Korean into Japanese Imperial Empire. However, One point of view is that, although the Japanese education system in Korea was detrimental towards the colony's cultural identity, its introduction of public education as universal was a step in the right direction to improve Korea's human capital. Towards the end of Japanese rule, Korea saw elementary school attendance at 38 percent. Children of elite families were able to advance to higher education, while others were able to attend technical schools, allowing for "the emergence of a small but important class of well-educated white collar and technical workers... who possessed skills required to run a modern industrial economy." The Japanese education system ultimately produced hundreds of thousands of educated South Koreans who later became "the core of the postwar political and economic elite.

In Korea public school under Japan rule, it is teaching basically in Hanja-Korea script, not Japanese. For faster assimilate by rewrite history in school book ofc and make normal people seen no discriminate

About. North Korea, under Japan rule, most of the infrastructure project in Korea was build there because of rich potential resource, human capital mostly concentrate there,.... And many more reason. About 68% project go fot North Korea and 32% for South Korea i think. Japanese even build a big dam in North Korea that they still use today, much bigger than many Dam operate in our country

In Cold war era, Soviet also help them bulding Pyongyang with much infrastructure and industry, same for Eastern Europe (a lot of left over Soviet infrastructure there, especially in East Berlin, there are street name in Russia-Panlov alli,... and Karl Marx alli-very beautiful street, many more u can find in Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary. Indeed volume of trade of North Korea with Soviet account 65% of their total trade, not counting annual 30 doctor, physician and scientist,... send to North Korea anually to help them building industry, particularly heavy industry. Until 1980's, North Korea still in many way better than South Korea, it is after Soviet collaspe and Soviet-Sino split, they suffer and got surpass by South Korea in 1980-1990

So your comparison of North Korea with Egypt and Philippine is completely irrelevant, they are not start at the same point.

Philippine under America rule before 20th centuary not exactly nice and help them i will say. The slogan "kill everyone under 18 is quite famous"

Also u know America like to make Allies with whoever benefit them, if no longer benefit or cost to maintain too high, then they will abandoned them like South Vietnam. There are many different group of US allies, only few of them regarded as core interest of US need to protect


True North Korea was indeed better than many developing countries, they are regard as middle power before the Soviet collapse, they even better off than South Koreain many aspect until late 1980's

But their consumer product and light industry is very bad. They mostly focused on heavy industry, and most revenue spend on defence i doubt standard of living for ordinary there as good.As i state 65% trade volume of N.Korea is with Soviet, i don't know why they support China during split and got suffer afterward. Not to mention the isolatation

See the balance of trade near Soviet collaspe

Figure North Korea’s Foreign Trade

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north korea is basically a stagnant economy now after flat growth and negative growth over decades, not to mention their debt owned to Russia who are already written off many for them and no interest rate but still huge amount



A very well written essay, @JaiMin !
 
Actuallt no, a person with insecure complex will alway feel insecure no matter what is the environment, you just point one minor sided of it, what about it create an motivation and aim for the employees to excel to become more like their boss? Family and growth up environment play more major role in shaping their character and complex.

About your second point, they all first let's MNCs set up business in their countries and learn experience from them, at the same time acquire skill, know how and management skill. And lastly excel themselve. In a market, there are many different demand and not all products require strict ISO. Most customers want to buy cheap with acceptable quality. ISO process require a lot of money, it can increase cost and made product more expensive.

About your third point, a lot of students from those countries study foreign language and studying oversea when their countries is developing, still now many study foreign languages, make them inferior? Really? You know President Ho Chi Minh right, he can speak fluent 16 languages, what do you think of his ability and competent? Lee Kwan Yew even don't speak fluent Maderin, at home his family speak English most the time. Again it is all up to family, growth up environment and education



Agree with you for the first point, most research pdf are publish in english along with origin language

I disagree with you for second, China is prob the country where people willing to study English most and parent pressure their children to do so also. South Korea also yeah, a lot of them go to South East Asia countries like Philippine, Singapore, Malaysia,... To study English, but in number can't match China. See these article:

China Moves to Protect Its Language From English - Businessweek
(@mike2000 is back you may interested in the article)

My father is no more working as researcher and his English language fluency is alright only, he was only study since he got invite to work in Kuwait. He mostly done research in French and Russian since he was gaining degree in those two countries before. Alot of our researcher are fluence in Russian and lesser extent French really, but you know they got overwhelming by those "corrupt" researcher or professor. Many young generation researcher now fluences in English so it is a good sign, more people access to quality work, the better the knowledgr and education of the mass:cheers:

Yea you’re probably right. I dont know the exact stats on who learn English more...I was just speaking from my observation where I see many SK students studying English. But maybe there are more Chinese per capita.
 
Yea you’re probably right. I dont know the exact stats on who learn English more...I was just speaking from my observation where I see many SK students studying English. But maybe there are more Chinese per capita.
@Yorozuya
I think this statistic is ok but it is back in 2010, a bit out of date.
Source:Google Fusion Tables
 
However, almost 10 years ago, I published a book on quality management, and I understand what is the importance to work quality.

WOW, you published a book about management 10 years ago.
 

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