Who Was The Best Fighter Pilot Ever ?

[Muradk]

Check out Rocks drift battle, One of the greatest battles ever took place year 1879. We were in the same boat in 1971 in BD PAF vs IAF

 

[shr_bwp]

Oh my GOD don't tell me buddy Rocks drift battle, One of the greatest battles ever took place year 1879.

Okay...how is it connected to this thread - I miss the similarity....

 

[shr_bwp]

Check out Rocks drift battle, One of the greatest battles ever took place year 1879. We were in the same boat in 1971 in BD PAF vs IAF

Okay - thank you. I did it check it on Wikipedia and thanks for the reference.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Total eight kills. 104 was a terror over risalawala 4 hunters saw 1 104 and they ran back

No seriously I am not jocking Naeem was in Air and at Risalawala and we were over Kamra and we heard GCI saying Naeem 4 hunter 20 miles and he says I am ready and 10 sec later Naeem is laughing is butt off when the hunters saw him they split and went back. Naeem shot a fighter 1 day before that so they knew that this area has a nutcase who is flying a starfighter so run.

especially during nighttime escort and sortie operations, F-104 was very feared by IAF.

Amritsar radar (Fish-oil) was taken out by F104 midway towards the end of 1965 hostilities

 

[Wingman]

Now I am going to get an Ulcer someone call 911.

Hahaha, discussing on one name....

 

[shr_bwp]

I will send you halis contact.

Would appreciate the contact, sir.

 

[Muradk]

especially during nighttime escort and sortie operations, F-104 was very feared by IAF.

Amritsar radar (Fish-oil) was taken out by F104 midway towards the end of 1965 hostilities

How do you know that.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

How do you know that.

I am quoting the official accounts of the 1965 war, including that of S. Sajad Haider.

As far as I know, a Starfighter used Hi-Low-Hi profile and took out Fish-oil.

On the same day if i am not mistaken was the Kalaikunda operation, where 5 F-86 (Sqn leader Shabbir Hussain Syed, Flt Lts Baseer, Tariq Habib, Haleem, and Flg Officer Afzal) -guns only - turned 2 canberras and 4 vampires (on the tarmac) into fireworks --despite poor visibility and 2-3 AA guns.

 

[Wingman]

Yar to tell you the truth if we had F-16 in 71 we still have lost BD it was the movement which we had no control over it and India was acting as a fuel on fire. PAF did there best and we had more kills which is again a debate which I don't want to go into.

Shamim Sahib
Most people don't like Ex-COAS Shamim but he was a fine officer and a good pilot, He has done a lot for PAF people don't see that people only see that he served more than others and that was not his decision it was Zia how said no you will not retire Shamim sb was a great man a hard task master but gracious on the other hand very rewarding when it came to it. There were people in his time who bitched about " we have served all our lives we should be COAS" well hard luck, I know a few people who as a Pilot officers deserved to be the COAS. These were officer who everybody used to say 1 day he will become the Chief but destiny has its own way and we are all puppets.

Yes F-104 was a terror to Indian Pilots.. On a TV programe I heard A/C Imtiaz Bhatti telling that in 1965 war upon seeing 104 a sikh pilot said " Phajj oyeee 104 eee..."

There may be one of following incidents when sihk pilot said:

1) Indian Strike over sargodha, When FLT LT Amjad fought with 7 indian jets shot two of them and remaining ran away.

2) When an Indian Knat was forced to land at Pasrur airfield and Hakim ullah sb kept circling over it.

 

[Wingman]

Every body please listen!!!

Every member of the this forum should list out
5 pilots from 1947 to 1970. This period includes piston engine to jet conversion plus performances in 1965 war.

5 pilots from 1970 to 1990. This period will look 1971 war plus Afghan War etc.

Every one should give the names of the pilots who they think are the best..no discussion just their flying hours, planes shot downs, etc. Just give 5 names..

 

[Muradk]

Yes F-104 was a terror to Indian Pilots.. On a TV programe I heard A/C Imtiaz Bhatti telling that in 1965 war upon seeing 104 a sikh pilot said " Phajj oyeee 104 eee..."

You are right Sir Imtiaz would never lie.

Over Kamra Butt he is engaged with 2 hunters, We get a call he is out numbered so we drop our tanks and go for him now when we enter the fight the ATC say by the way you just had a baby boy he says what a boy and he goes and hits a high tension cable We saw the hunter split and run away I thought they saw 4 of us but no they ran away because he had a high tension cable stuck sideways in his nose appox 200 ft long, We come closer and Andarbi say run he will kill us all and I looked carefully and the cable was there he had a hard time flying now the problem was how to land so we told AAGs men to run out of there nests he finally landed so did we , He get off get into the jeep goes into the ATC tower and punches the ATC officer knocks he front 2 teeth out " You SOB couldn't you wait for another sec before you told me I had a God dame son" we are all laughing and he goes and I say where are you going he says to see that SOB and I said who he says blody son of mine if its mine
During war sometimes such things made us forget that we are in a war and can die any moment.

 

[batmannow]

especially during nighttime escort and sortie operations, F-104 was very feared by IAF.

Amritsar radar (Fish-oil) was taken out by F104 midway towards the end of 1965 hostilities

back in 1985 or 86 at FASIL AIR BASE , i saw frist time, that bird & belive me, even it was out of commision , i simply fell in love with it.

i still love that bird more thn , IRON EAGAL!
its unfortunate that , PAF cant play that bird longer!

 

[batmannow]

How do you know that.

sir, wht you think about (shaheed) rafiqee,s flying capabilities?
btw , i think he SHOULD HAVE been givin (NI) INSTEAD (SJ)?

 

[Patriot]

Rafique was an excellent pilot according to several PAF Pilots including Sir Muradk.Sir Murad is huge fan of Rafaique :p.If i am not wrong Sir Murad was very very young pilot when Rafique was KIA.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

even by today's standards, the thrust-weight ratio on those bad-boys is impressive.

I think that as technology for Aircrafts becomes more advanced, the art of flying (especially combat flying) is being lost.

Everything now is fly-by-wire, BVR, and ECM.


In those days, things were hydraulic. Pilots made calculations in their head when the compass/altimeter etc. were giving incorrect readings.....the operational range of aircrafts were limited to no more than 230-400 miles depending on whether aux tanks were jettisoned. A lot of the dog-fights were taking place at around 200 feet AGL to 2000 feet. Quick thinking and reflexes were most crucial (as they are, of course, today).

Those were real combat.


PAF is awake and aware to the changing realities, and the modernization program is commendable, as we have entered and familiarized ourself with the 4th and 4.5 gen. technology. For that, we salute them.


But learning more and more about the historic battles and the equipments and capabilities of those days, I can't help but feel nostalgic.



And I'm only 25.