Who Killed Zia ul-Haq?

[SQ8]

Was Zia ul Haq a wahhabi or a deobandi or barelvy?

Apparently even that is debatable..
But there does seem to be a lot more love for him from the Wahabbi and Deoband clans than the rest of the spectrum that are Pakistani Muslims.
It has to do with the "perceived" Saudi backing for him and his creations the extremists that run rife in our country..
Again.. these extremists are NOT the mujahidden...they were the initial wave.
What was created in these Saudi Madressa's was supposed to act as a backup in case the original Afghan insurgency failed..and as a side use against India in Kashmir.
The result however, has been MUCH more than that.

Zia was not the only one responsible for the militants that roam the streets of Pakitan today in disguise.
But his acquiescence to the draconian implementation of "Islamic thought" by the clerics then fuels many evils rife in the sectarian and social problems that plague us today.

Some say.. and I say Some..
That the "uber-draconian implementation" allowed was done so as a ruse by Zia, that people would be thoroughly exposed to the horrors it brings.. Then.. they would plead Zia for a solution and he would take all that clergy responsible for those horrid changes and send them to the gallows, ridding Pakistan of this evil once and for all.
However.. history and other records have no backup claims to this regard. And so for all and sundry his legacy is that of a dictator that misused Islam to consolidate his power.

 

[SQ8]

1. Islam is not a "religion" as defined in the dictionary. It is a revolution which has continued to reform and educate mankind.

2. The Message of Islam is inclusive. We have Shias and Sunnis and others who all subscribe to the fundamentals. Wahibism, 12'er and others evolved in various parts of Muslim community in various period of history to address issues faced by the Muslims at that particular time and location.

3. Take the example of Jinnah. Born into Punja sub-sub sect of Ismaili sub-sect of Shia sect, in his youth he was an anglicized young man very much fitting to the current description of a secularist. But Jinnah was a brilliant man exceptionally perceptive. When he came in contact with Muslim leaders and alems of the time he was completely transformed. He buried his Parsi wife in a Muslim graveyard with Islamic rites. He disowned his daughter - only child, because she was marrying a non-Muslim. If you can get to read Jinnah's last speech, which he delivered at SBP opening, you would find he was hoping to establish a Pakistan that Zia was looking for.

1. No argument on that...completely agree. However what Gen Zia bought in was none of this.

2.Again no argument on that, however the divide between these sects in Pakistan worsened after Zia's rule.

3.Sir.. respectfully.. Zia was not worth a thread in Jinnah's cap.. Zia is no comparison to MA Jinnah.
there are still people who compare a man to the Prophet Mohammad.. and most Muslims detest them.
Each to its own category.. M.A Jinnah was a great man.. to 98% Pakistani's from top to bottom, his mausoleum is frequented by millions.. and millions pay respects to him every year.
The same can hardly be said of Gen Zia.. all that was found of him was his lower jaw..and as a frequent visitor on fridays to the Faisal mosque.. I have rarely seen anyone stop by and offer a fateha for him.

 

[FireFighter]

He was none of those. Shaeed Zia was a plain and simple Muslim who led a pious life in the mold of Islam's great men.

I consider Zia a Shaheed since he died an in accident. But hes far from being an islamic 'pir'. Islam is not a mere ideology to be shoved down people's throat - it's a way of life. Besides the belief in one God, the biggest lesson it gives is of justice and peace.

Now the question is, Was there Justice during Zia ul Haq regime? you'll get a big freaking NO!! Because of the simple fact that he was a Military Dictator sworn in to protect and live by the Constitution, but he ended up doing exactly the opposite, he abbrogated the constitution, surrounded by his gang of thugs and generals. Tyranny and oppression was unleashed on anyone who spoke against him. political activists were ruthlessly beaten and tortured. Closed down book shops and threw even some of the great writers behind bars. Used the mullah's to stay in power etc.

He even sent a threat to one of my uncle who opposed his dictatorship, one of sub continent's top urdu daan/scholar who wrote the first encyclopedia of Islam in Urdu, so he had to move to Karachi...read his biography and his contribution to the Urdu language and Islam...

Syed Qasim Mahmood - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


I personally know Zia's relatives...and believe me they ain't "religious"

 

[FireFighter]

Apparently even that is debatable..
But there does seem to be a lot more love for him from the Wahabbi and Deoband clans than the rest of the spectrum that are Pakistani Muslims.
It has to do with the "perceived" Saudi backing for him and his creations the extremists that run rife in our country..
Again.. these extremists are NOT the mujahidden...they were the initial wave.
What was created in these Saudi Madressa's was supposed to act as a backup in case the original Afghan insurgency failed..and as a side use against India in Kashmir.
The result however, has been MUCH more than that.

I think Zia was more in line with the Wahhabis because most of his influential affiliates belonged to the Wahhabi creed. Nawaz Sharif's dad for example was an Ahle-Hadith, and he had close ties to famous Ahle-Hadith scholars of Saudi like Shaykh Ibn Baaz....having said this he tried to unite all muslim scholars regardless of their schools of thougths under one umbrella, possibly to consolidate his power, and took rulings from even barelvi scholars to give his rule an islamic flavour. And that's what makes it difficult to identify out his personal beliefs. I personally think he was inspired by the Saudi flavour...having said this, one possible good thing his brutal dictatorship did was it exposed all the secular class in the country some of who wanted to impose the Russian communist/socialist model.

He was far from the influence of Deobandi school...and deoband school is not a saudi product because it predates the Saudis by 100+ years. ts largely a sub continental phenomena from my understanding.

Zia was not the only one responsible for the militants that roam the streets of Pakitan today in disguise.
But his acquiescence to the draconian implementation of "Islamic thought" by the clerics then fuels many evils rife in the sectarian and social problems that plague us today.

Although this is another topic, but i think sectarianism began to emerge after the Iranian Revolution as a sort of reaction from some sunni's to the 12er's expanding influence in Pakistan. But I would agree that Zia's rule further emboldened sectarianism.

Some say.. and I say Some..
That the "uber-draconian implementation" allowed was done so as a ruse by Zia, that people would be thoroughly exposed to the horrors it brings.. Then.. they would plead Zia for a solution and he would take all that clergy responsible for those horrid changes and send them to the gallows, ridding Pakistan of this evil once and for all.
However.. history and other records have no backup claims to this regard. And so for all and sundry his legacy is that of a dictator that misused Islam to consolidate his power.

I would agree with the later part of your assertion which is quite similar to what other dictators have done.

 

[Donatello]

Who killed Zia-Ul-Haq?

His own actions, morals or lack there of.

Personally, i couldn't care less about that man.

 

[somebozo]

Most likely elements of Iranian elements or Al-Zulfikar trained by Syrian intelligence and armed with weapons gone AWOL from Afghanistan. It is ironic that despite his hardliner jehadi beliefs, Zia co-op actively with America and Israel.

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Who killed Zia-Ul-Haq?

His own actions, morals or lack there of.

Personally, i couldn't care less about that man.

You dont but the Israelis do..he was their henchman!

 

[A1Kaid]

Honestly, we may never know for sure. We can make lists and speculate and narrow down who we think the culprits are based on a variety of reasons and motives. Due to the lack of evidence and investigation it's hard to pin the blame on anyone. A President's plane is inspected and maintained though I don't know how often.

This could have been a mechanical malfunction with the C-130, Pilot's deliberate or accidental fault, assassination by foreign forces, assassination my other PA military officials, politicians behind the assassination, etc. Though I think the safest factor we can rule out is the weather.

If I had to choose 3 factors most likely caused the death of Pres. Zia ul Haq that would be mechanical malfunction, pilots deliberate or accidental fault, assassination by foreign forces, in no particular order.

 

[NeutralCitizen]

Should have gotten rid of him earlier before he radicalized Pakistan.

 

[Mav3rick]

Oh no.. they have added the worst thing into the religion..
clergy.
They have taken a system of life and turned it into a rigid ritualistic belief system.

Could you elaborate on 'clergy' please?

 

[Mav3rick]

The discussion has deviated from the scope of this thread. All I have read are speculations and some of them wild, I would appreciate if someone can tell me the most widely accepted 'theory'.

 

[nirreich]

The discussion has deviated from the scope of this thread. All I have read are speculations and some of them wild, I would appreciate if someone can tell me the most widely accepted 'theory'.

That is the problem: except the consensus about Zia being assassinated there is no agreement who was behind it. My personal opinion is that it could not have been the Americans and most probably not Zia's generals. I would speculate that it was probably the KGB, but I do not have any evidence to support my argument, only motives and circumstances.

What is even more amazing than the mystery around Zia's violent death is that Pakistan itself is never really interested to find out who killed its leaders (Liquat Ali Khan, Zia and Bhutto). Currently Bhutto's husband is the President and still there is no serious investigation to find out how she was murdered and why she was not protected properly.

 

[Mav3rick]

That is the problem: except the consensus about Zia being assassinated there is no agreement who was behind it. My personal opinion is that it could not have been the Americans and most probably not Zia's generals. I would speculate that it was probably the KGB, but I do not have any evidence to support my argument, only motives and circumstances.

What is even more amazing than the mystery around Zia's violent death is that Pakistan itself is never really interested to find out who killed its leaders (Liquat Ali Khan, Zia and Bhutto). Currently Bhutto's husband is the President and still there is no serious investigation to find out how she was murdered and why she was not protected properly.

Well, we all have a hunch who killed BB, probably the easiest thing to do during a murder investigation is to ascertain who benefited the most from the murder.

 

[MZUBAIR]

Well, we all have a hunch who killed BB, probably the easiest thing to do during a murder investigation is to ascertain who benefited the most from the murder.

And the most beneficiary is MR 100% [Zordari]

 

[BATMAN]

Daughter of BB phoned her to come out of vehicle and wave... her murdered security cheif opened the hatch and what ever happened next! every one knows.

Musharraf have this call recorded, this is why he kept his reply to various questions, simple...... 'who told her to come out of the hatch!'

This is why all others sitting in the same vehicle are ousted from PPP and even threatened of murder.

This is why Amin Fahim had successfully black mailed Zardari.

 

[cake sahab]

Honestly, we may never know for sure. We can make lists and speculate and narrow down who we think the culprits are based on a variety of reasons and motives. Due to the lack of evidence and investigation it's hard to pin the blame on anyone. A President's plane is inspected and maintained though I don't know how often.

This could have been a mechanical malfunction with the C-130, Pilot's deliberate or accidental fault, assassination by foreign forces, assassination my other PA military officials, politicians behind the assassination, etc. Though I think the safest factor we can rule out is the weather.

If I had to choose 3 factors most likely caused the death of Pres. Zia ul Haq that would be mechanical malfunction, pilots deliberate or accidental fault, assassination by foreign forces, in no particular order.

Ahmedi/Qadiani lobby in the establishment killed Zia ul haq.....we all know Qadiani khalifa sitting in Britian wasnt happy with Zia.

this same lobby killed killed Air Chief Shaheed Mushaf Ali Mir ......facilitated Karachi naval base attack and Abbotabad raid by closing of the radars.
this is the same lobby that prevented figher jets from reaching Salala checkpost.
We all know Mushraf was a Qadiani along with his wife and Shaukat Aziz and his wife too and he placed mirzai on tops posts..........the result we are seeing today.......40 thousand dead civilians and $85 billion loss to economy....and Mirza Musharaf fled the country once he found out no more hawaldar to guard his rear.


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