White House Petition for Law Against Blasphemy: Please sign now and spread

[Peregrine]

Google is not making much profit in the Muslim countries anyhow. Even if all the Muslim states are to ban Google, which is unlikely, it would not make a dent in Google's profits. The Muslim world creates less than 0,5% of Google's earnings, so very little loss there.

With almost 10% of Internet users being from muslim world........... it surely can create an impact and if not then atleast muslims will know that they are not giving anything to the bigots running Google.

 

[Sashan]

Few decades ago Demographics of NE was different. Look at now. Its Muslim majority region with illegal immigrants. India is the land where every religion flourishes but we have seen the change in demographics of NE.

Lets pick Kashmir too. After Kashmiri pundits forced out and the birth rate increased the Muslim population even more, it became significant enough. Now this Muslim vote bank has become so important that there is no chance that these Pundits will be given their land back by the govt.

May be you don't look at demographic processes like birth and death rate, immigration, emigration etc. bue we do. We look at the change in population distribution income wise, religion wise etc.

So buddy its not conspiracy theory, it is supposed that France will have significant number of Muslim population in next 15 years. So when they propose amendments and new laws for Muslim population, like they demanded recently, many leaders will try to cash in this vote bank too.

There is more than religion involved. It also affects politics, society, economics and culture of any nation.

Try to understand rather than being emotional about Passion of Christ, Da Vinci Code, Neo-Nazi groups in US.

Sorry to say, but these things are being studied in every country.

Sorry - There is nothing emotional here. Neither I dwell on a topic unless I understand the background and understand the facts. Meanwhile I get the feeling you did not look at the demographics or other statistics.The situation in US is different than compared to India or even France.

This is the basic fact - Muslims are less than 1.5% of the total population and many muslim friends who I personally know blend in well unlike India or even France. The reason is U.S is a land of opportunity and many who work hard do well here and they care less for all these religious stuff. There are very isolated cases of trouble makers. Name one incident after 9/11 which you can attribute to muslims in US? except for that Pakistani person trying to place a bomb in Times Square and couple of arrests, there is none.

Taking into consideration the demographics and the Muslims' (in US ability) to blend in well, no one gives much attention to them especially when they form a very minor percentage of the total population.

India and even France is different in that aspect. Take the case of France - France has 7% muslim population but most of them are immigrants who do not do well compared to other French people and that is a rich recruitment ground for the religious fundamentalists and French are sensitive about that.

In India's case, you understand the fact very well and realise the issue exists in terms of illegal immigration and the ethnic cleansing in Kashmir apart from the birth rate. More than that, the troubling factor is the parties pandering to the conservative elements of muslim population(not to the moderate muslims like Arif Mohammed Khan kinds) and operate under the garb of secularism. And the constitution of India is basically flawed in that instead of eliminating the religion from the state, the constitution was a modified version of what British had for British India. So in India's case, if you state religion as a fact, it is aptly right and folks need to be wary of it as seen in the 2012 Assam census - the 3 districts which had trouble recently aptly shows this (the growth rate between 2001 and 2012 and what I took from a previous post of mine) - Kokrajhar, 19 per cent Muslim increased, 5 per cent Hindu, Dhubri, 29 per cent Muslim increased, 5 per cent Hindu, Bongaigaon, 31 per cent Muslim increased, 2 per cent Hindu.

So while you are right about India and France for the above reasons I mentioned, you are wrong about U.S for the reasons I mentioned. So next time please do some research or stick to topics you understand well.

 

[Hasbara Buster]

This surely makes much more sense than the ban of "Lolocaust criticism" in the West. No need to create animosity and more conflict in the world, we have enough of that.

 

[Zabaniyah]

Delete Google

I want to see what happens to this world.

 

[Esc8781]

Delete Google

I want to see what happens to this world.

It will end!

 

[Safriz]

ok done..
signed the petition and posted on my FB page

Google is not making much profit in the Muslim countries anyhow. Even if all the Muslim states are to ban Google, which is unlikely, it would not make a dent in Google's profits. The Muslim world creates less than 0,5% of Google's earnings, so very little loss there.

are you sure?
http://tribune.com.pk/story/434461/up-and-coming-google-pakistan-earns-500-million-in-revenue/

 

[Safriz]

To all the kiddies prancing around denouncing the petition...
you are the most confused people..

When Muslims Protest on the streets you say its wrong...
now Muslims want to take a peaceful legal stance against insults thrown at their religion...again you have problem with that..
arent you the same people who were saying "protest should be peaceful?"
why not support this peaceful protest? or you like talking from your back sides?

 

[Korean]

Delete Google

I want to see what happens to this world.

There will be alternatives, so you need not fear. Google is not a top search engine in East Asia at all.

 

[Safriz]

It will end!

Google inc
Founded Menlo Park, California, U.S.
(September 4, 1998)

so basically the world was created in 1998?
hmmm..interesting

 

[KRAIT]

Sorry - There is nothing emotional here. Neither I dwell on a topic unless I understand the background and understand the facts. Meanwhile I get the feeling you did not look at the demographics or other statistics.The situation in US is different than compared to India or even France.


So while you are right about India and France for the above reasons I mentioned, you are wrong about U.S for the reasons I mentioned. So next time please do some research or stick to topics you understand well.

My reply was to tell you how Jewish lobby, Church and many Hindus think.

What you are taking in account is present data and present rate of growth. You are ignoring the predictive models used to understand the situation in a region.

May be you should do some research on Dynamic population, factors leading to growth in population, birth and death rate, immigration and education, economic factors affecting it.

The situation which is you are considering will not be same or the one you provided. We all know the conversion rate of other religion Americans to Muslims.

I think you also ignored the 15 year and decades long scenario. What seems to be nothing worrying for Jews and Christians, will become major factor.

What was the influence of Jews on American policies back in 1945 onwards. Didn't you saw growth of Jews and their increasing population especially in influential sphere.

Entire PDF and others knows the reason behind backing of US to Israel. We also know how Jews uses their media power for their own goals.

So buddy, US was then a land of opportunity as it is now, But try to understand what happens when certain race, sect etc, increases and how it influences foreign policies. Try to understand the propaganda machinery.

The Sociology of Knowledge: Jewish and Muslim Impact on American Social Sciences

"The powerful impact of Jewish scholars is not just on U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East, which is well-known if controversial, but, anterior to policy-making , they have largely shaped the paradigms, the conceptual apparatus, with which most Westerners, approach, perceive, and analyze society in general and the Muslim world in particular. "

John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt · The Israel Lobby: the Israel Lobby · LRB 23 March 2006

The Israel Lobby
By John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt

John Mearsheimer is the R. Wendell Harrison Distinguished Service Professor of Political Science at the University of Chicago.

Interesting read, Just go through the Abstract only. There is another paper by Professor from Harvard University.. Google it and read it too.


Percentage of Jewish Population in America in 2007. ----1.7%
http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2009/tables/09s0074.pdf

Instead of blasting on me, try to look at the bigger picture. A suggestion: Read about Jews in US. Look at their population and their control. See how small percentage of population can drive a powerful nation like US.

Another example is Neo-Nazi groups in US. Watch the documentary on increase of these Neo-Nazis and the factors behind their growth.

So I have given you two examples. Lot has changed after 9/11, Iraq, Afghanistan war etc. If you want to ignore the change in perception and present state of mind of people, then let it be. Just because you have few encounters with Muslims in US, doesn't give entire picture. The data is insufficient.

I am not going off topic, this petition is just the start. These are the initial points which people don't take seriously. I know this propagation of protest among population as. I understand the process but most of the people don't just admit the possible scenarios which has very high probability as Denial is easy way out. When one realizes the change and the future impact, they become worried.

I am not against Muslims, I am expressing what is simmering in US. And don't give me return argument that You live in US so you know better.

So sit back, relax and don't make comments for the sake of commenting and saving flawed argument. Go through the articles and data provided by me.

P.S. If you want I can provide you links on research and videos to back my claims. Just let me know.

 

[gubbi]

To all the kiddies prancing around denouncing the petition...
you are the most confused people..

When Muslims Protest on the streets you say its wrong...
now Muslims want to take a peaceful legal stance against insults thrown at their religion...again you have problem with that..
arent you the same people who were saying "protest should be peaceful?"
why not support this peaceful protest? or you like talking from your back sides?

ROFL! No one said Muslims protesting in the streets is wrong. What everyone's saying is that the violence which usually follows or is a part of such protests is wrong!

No one's denouncing the petition. Its simply a futile attempt towards a "peaceful" protest failing which (and it will for obvious reasons) will give more fodder and reasons for the fundamentalists to 'react'.

This "petition" is well within one's rights to petition the US govt as protected by the 1st amendment. But hello, if you have read the text of this part of US Constitution, you would know that any attempts to 'protect' any particular religion over others is NOT allowed. So basically the petition has already killed itself.

Freedom of speech means exactly that - regardless of the offense it might cause to anyone's religious sentiments. Period. Religion is NOT a part of the State in the US, unlike in Islamic countries or as some people following the faith have been brought up to believe. Hence this concept of freedom of speech may seem so alien to some of you people.

Bottomline - if you dont want your religious sensitivities to be offended, keep them private. Simple.

 

[gubbi]

A suggestion: Read about Jews in US. Look at their population and their control. See how small percentage of population can drive a powerful nation like US.

Bull Shyte!! Come visit US, understand its culture, its work ethics and then talk. Jewish people are one of the most hardworking communities, just like Indians. It is through their sheer hard work that they reach positions of power or authority in their fields of expertise. So do Indians - in the medical sector, software sector, motel/subway chains etc. Does that mean Indians control the Medical field, the software sectors, the travel industry? Hell NO!

I have read that Mersheimer and Walt paper. It is nothing but 'creating a mountain out of a molehill' kind of thing. It really is ridiculous. Let me just say that the US-Israel relations topic for political considerations is not out of love for Israel or "Jewish control" of US, but a rather simple vote bank politics for the huge swathes of 'born again' Christians of the Bible Belt. Do you understand what this means?

 

[KRAIT]

Bull Shyte!! Come visit US, understand its culture, its work ethics and then talk. Jewish people are one of the most hardworking communities, just like Indians. It is through their sheer hard work that they reach positions of power or authority in their fields of expertise. So do Indians - in the medical sector, software sector, motel/subway chains etc. Does that mean Indians control the Medical field, the software sectors, the travel industry? Hell NO!

I have read that Mersheimer and Walt paper. It is nothing but 'creating a mountain out of a molehill' kind of thing. It really is ridiculous. Let me just say that the US-Israel relations topic for political considerations is not out of love for Israel or "Jewish control" of US, but a rather simple vote bank politics for the huge swathes of 'born again' Christians of the Bible Belt. Do you understand what this means?

Your discretion, my perception. Just because you live in a country that doesn't mean you know all about it.

The foreign policy makers should be idiots considering your judgment. I will believe a Professor from University of Chicago and One from Harvard University who also said the same. The paradigm shift has been talked about in detail.

Back your claims with research articles published in International peer reviewed journals not your personal experiences.

Are you saying, your understanding is better than Dr. Mearsheimer who is a professor in the Department of Political Science at the University of Chicago and Dr. Walt who is a professor at the John F. Kennedy School of Government, Harvard University.

If yes, then I have nothing to tell you or any Indian living in US.

All I am seeing is people getting emotional on their personal experience rather than providing counter reports.

May be I am asking too much from people over here.

I already said don't give me the argument that come here and see. One can make his decisions by reading International journals with high Impact factor and work of people from top universities of the world.

Let people decide who they believe, a anonymous Indian poster or well known and qualified Professors.

 

[gubbi]

Your discretion, my perception. Just because you live in a country that doesn't mean you know all about it.

So you would rather believe some print material about a culture sitting thousands of miles away? Some print material by certain academics who may or may not have an agenda? Such incidents are not entirely unheard of in the academia FYI. Also, why should I counter M&W's paper with a peer reviewed work when their paper on AIPAC/Jewsish control of US is NOT peer reviewed in the first place.

Do you now understand how ridiculous your argument of believing a piece of paper over actual experiences of a person sounds? Its like believing a local radical Mullah's propaganda about Muslims being discriminated in the US over stories of religious freedom experienced by actual Muslims residing here.

Oh, FYI, I dont claim to understand ALL of US culture. I still dont understand the prom/home coming thing as I dont understand this American Football!

 

[KRAIT]

To all the kiddies prancing around denouncing the petition...
you are the most confused people..

When Muslims Protest on the streets you say its wrong...
now Muslims want to take a peaceful legal stance against insults thrown at their religion...again you have problem with that..
arent you the same people who were saying "protest should be peaceful?"
why not support this peaceful protest? or you like talking from your back sides?

Seems like events like Neo-Nazi rallies can happen in US, while peaceful Muslims can't file even a petition.

To all those the world who believe in fairies and unicorns. Welcome to the real world. This happens in the country you are residing.