Which is Better? Eurofighter Typhoon VS Dassault Rafale

[knight11]

Rafale vs Eurofighter

CATEGORY DASSAULT RAFALE EUROFIGHTER TYPHOON
BVR Rating 90% 90%
Armament 7.8/10 8.0/10
Technology 7.7/10 8.8/10
Avionics 8.0/10 8.6/10
Maneuverability 9.5/10 9.7/10
Rate of Climb max. 300 m/s – 6ok ft/min max. 315 m/s – 65k ft/min
Thrust/Weight 1.13 1.15
Service Ceiling 17 km – 55k ft 20 km – 65k ft
Speed 2.00 Mach 2.35 Mach
Fuel Economy 0.27 km/l – 0.63 NM/gallon 0.68 km/l – 1.60 NM/gallon
Unit Cost 90.000.000 USD 125.000.000 USD
Overall Rating very good excellent

BVR Armament Comparison

CATEGORY DASSAULT RAFALE EUROFIGHTER TYPHOON
BVR AAM missile MBDA Meteor MBDA Meteor
Nation NATO NATO
Year in 2013 in 2013
Range (mile) 62 62
Range (km/h) 100 100
Range (NM) 54 54
Speed (mph) 2640 2640
Speed (km/h) 4248 4248
Speed (Mach) 4 4
Weight (lb) 407 407
Weight (kg) 185 185
Unit Cost $1.600.000 $1.600.000
BVR Rating 90% 90%



Dogfight (armament: only cannon)

CATEGORY DASSAULT RAFALE EUROFIGHTER TYPHOON
Cannon GIAT 30M/719B Mauser BK-27
Caliber (mm) 30 mm 27 mm
Rate of Fire (rpm) 2500 rpm 1700 rpm
Muzzle Velocity (m/s) 1025 m/s 1025 m/s
Size Point (10% to 30%) NO NO
Maneuverability (x/10) 9,5 9,7
Thrust/Weight Ratio 1,13 1,15
Total Points 50 41
Probability of winning 55% 45%

General data table

CATEGORY DASSAULT RAFALE EUROFIGHTER TYPHOON
Length 15.27 m – 50 ft 1 in 15.95 m – 52 ft 4 in
Wingspan 10.80 m – 35 ft 4 in 10.95 m – 35 ft 9 in
Height 5.30 m – 17 ft 3 in 5.30 m – 17 ft 3 in
Weight 10,100 kg – 22,6k lb 11,150 kg – 24,6k lb
Power 2 x 75 kN – 17k lbf 2 x 89 kN 20k lbf

Armament

DASSAULT RAFALE EUROFIGHTER TYPHOON
14 HARDPOINTS 13 HARDPOINTS
1 × 30 mm GIAT 30/719B cannon (125 rounds) 1 × 27 mm Mauser BK-27 cannon (150 rounds)
MBDA MICA IR/EM (AAM missile) AIM-9 Sidewinder (AAM missile)
Magic II (AAM missile) AIM-132 ASRAAM (AAM missile)
MBDA Meteor (AAM missile) AIM-120 AMRAAM (AAM missile)
MBDA Apache (AGM missile) IRIS-T (AAM missile)
SCALP EG (AGM missile) MBDA Meteor (AAM missile)
AASM (AGM missile) AGM-65 Maverick (AGM missile)
AM 39 Exocet (AGM missile) AGM-88 HARM (AGM missile)
ASMP-A (nuclear AGM missile) Storm Shadow (AGM missile)
Paveway II (bomb) Brimstone (AGM missile)

Taurus KEPD 350 (AGM missile)

Penguin (AGM missile)

AGM Armiger (AGM missile)

500lb Paveway IV (bomb)

Paveway II/III/Enhanced Paveway (bomb)

Airplanes Comparison – Dassault Rafale versus Eurofighter Typhoon

Dassault Rafale is cheaper airplane.
Eurofighter Typhoon is more economical than Dassault Rafale.
Eurofighter Typhoon is faster airplane.
Eurofighter Typhoon is better armed airplane.
No significant differences in BVR rating of these airplanes.
Dassault Rafale is better dogfighter than Eurofighter Typhoon.
No significant differences in size of these airplanes.

 

[HariPrasad]

In other parameters EF may be a little ahead but so far as EW is concern, no plane in world can come anywhere close to Rafale. Spectra is a class apart and ahead of all. fuel efficiency figures in the comparison are wrong. There can not be a 2 and half fold difference in fuel efficiency.

 

[ADITYA MAYUKH]

It is not going to be a fair comparision coz both the planes were developed keeping different roles in mind. Eurofighter was developed to be a air dominant and in relation to air to air fight with some ground attack qualities whereas Rafael was developed to be an Omni role platform. Both serve there purposes.in future there is talks for developing Rafael in conjution to a swing role platform .

 

[HariPrasad]

EF has a much powerful engine particularly in the area of Dry thrust which shall give it and advantage in super cruise and maneuvering. I count this as a major advantage over Rafale.

EF ha lower RCS too.

 

[GURU DUTT]

Ok there are many people out there who think the Eurofighter Typhoon is better than the Dassault Rafale. Some would disagree.

Here are some specs to each aircraft and I shall let you decide which Is better.
Note tranche 1 Eurofighter being tested

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typhoon was concieved as a air to air fighter but rafale was concieved as a first strike fighter bomber which can take care of it and doesnt needs escorts to cover it

thing is now the doctroine of all air forces is for a multi role fighter and rafle wins hands down in it though its cheaper , slower , flies lower and has smaller radar rodome so i guess rafale is better

 

[ADITYA MAYUKH]

Having a powerfull engine doesn't makes any fighter plane better than others if we go in a deep scenario then Rafael have a advantage with EW and choice for armament .better comparision would be between Eurofighter and MKI or Su 35 ,,,,,,,or even Rafael and saab gripen.this comparision is not of any good its just like another fight to prove the other one of low grade.

 

[Blue Marlin]

typhoon was concieved as a air to air fighter but rafale was concieved as a first strike fighter bomber which can take care of it and doesnt needs escorts to cover it

thing is now the doctroine of all air forces is for a multi role fighter and rafle wins hands down in it though its cheaper , slower , flies lower and has smaller radar rodome so i guess rafale is better

true. from what i know Pakistan was interested in the rafale but nothing came of it. but i would prefer the eft simply because it's better in the aspect of performance.

 

[knight11]

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when you are talking about the the most powerful radar in the world it does not make it the most efficient. i cant give information out that's not publicly available. and what ever is not enough to answer the question. but what i can say is given the technological capability of Selex which is one of the worlds leading electronics defence equipment manufacture.
have you got proof that DRDO is working of ramjet propulsion for bvraam? only Europe as a ram jet missile and that the meteor and china is developing the pl-21d.
i never questioned the technological capability of Israel and France, both are good vendors of weapons and defence equipment.

also pakistan got some Israeli tech.Pakistan military technology row 'threatens Israel's strategic relationship with India' - Telegraph

In the modern world you cannot stop the proliferation of the technologies from one country to another. The high technologies which you are referring is not bound to any country, because many developed by pvt companies which is also interested in Money. You can even see that IAF is interested in Selex Aesa radars. Russians are not lagging in radars but to produce semiconductors economically (they too use the same electronic components produced by US and canadian company as used by the european and the us). It is the money which matters for the companies and you can slow down its proliferation but cannot stop. Even the KLJ 7 radars which the chinese brag about is actually ZHUK radar with the chinese antena and designed by russian financed by China.

Now it will depend on the Defence forces to choose the weapons, electronics which suits them most economically and needs.

Regarding the ramjet based bvr US had already developed but not declared and Russian and Chinese (nobody knows even working on 6th gen) are working on. No DRDO don't have any plan to develop such system presently.

Regarding Israel and france the power of BVR is not the motor or the range but the seeker and its miniature cpu which makes it deadly and potent BVR.(50 km Python 5 with 360 degree is much better than 100 km PL-12)

One more IMPORTANT Point just see how USA is developing the state of the art fututristic weapon disguised behind a plane named as F-35

Sorry cann't explain you briefly hope you got some of the point

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when you are talking about the the most powerful radar in the world it does not make it the most efficient. i cant give information out that's not publicly available. and what ever is not enough to answer the question. but what i can say is given the technological capability of Selex which is one of the worlds leading electronics defence equipment manufacture.
have you got proof that DRDO is working of ramjet propulsion for bvraam? only Europe as a ram jet missile and that the meteor and china is developing the pl-21d.
i never questioned the technological capability of Israel and France, both are good vendors of weapons and defence equipment.

also pakistan got some Israeli tech.Pakistan military technology row 'threatens Israel's strategic relationship with India' - Telegraph
@knight11


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In the modern world you cannot stop the proliferation of the technologies from one country to another. The high technologies which you are referring is not bound to any country, because many developed by pvt companies which is also interested in Money. You can even see that IAF is interested in Selex Aesa radars. Russians are not lagging in radars but to produce semiconductors economically (they too use the same electronic components produced by US and canadian company as used by the european and the us). It is the money which matters for the companies and you can slow down its proliferation but cannot stop. Even the KLJ 7 radars which the chinese brag about is actually ZHUK radar with the chinese antena and designed by russian financed by China.

Now it will depend on the Defence forces to choose the weapons, electronics which suits them most economically and needs.

Regarding the ramjet based bvr US had already developed but not declared and Russian and Chinese (nobody knows even working on 6th gen) are working on. No DRDO don't have any plan to develop such system presently.

Regarding Israel and france the power of BVR is not the motor or the range but the seeker and its miniature cpu which makes it deadly and potent BVR.(50 km Python 5 with 360 degree is much better than 100 km PL-12)

One more IMPORTANT Point just see how USA is developing the state of the art fututristic weapon disguised behind a plane named as F-35

Sorry cann't explain you briefly hope you got some of the point

 

[Blue Marlin]

In the modern world you cannot stop the proliferation of the technologies from one country to another. The high technologies which you are referring is not bound to any country, because many developed by pvt companies which is also interested in Money. You can even see that IAF is interested in Selex Aesa radars. Russians are not lagging in radars but to produce semiconductors economically (they too use the same electronic components produced by US and canadian company as used by the european and the us). It is the money which matters for the companies and you can slow down its proliferation but cannot stop. Even the KLJ 7 radars which the chinese brag about is actually ZHUK radar with the chinese antena and designed by russian financed by China.

Now it will depend on the Defence forces to choose the weapons, electronics which suits them most economically and needs.

Regarding the ramjet based bvr US had already developed but not declared and Russian and Chinese (nobody knows even working on 6th gen) are working on. No DRDO don't have any plan to develop such system presently.

Regarding Israel and france the power of BVR is not the motor or the range but the seeker and its miniature cpu which makes it deadly and potent BVR.(50 km Python 5 with 360 degree is much better than 100 km PL-12)

One more IMPORTANT Point just see how USA is developing the state of the art fututristic weapon disguised behind a plane named as F-35

Sorry cann't explain you briefly hope you got some of the point

better last time you put your answer in the quote.

@blue marlin

What would the older EFT tranches be costing?

The price of EFT would always be less then that of Rafale as they have more customers.

old as in new tranche 1 or old second hand tranche 1? i know that given a large enough deal Italy , UK and Germany will give some of their older typhoons in as apart of a deal. Kuwait is looking into second hand Italian eft's or new F18 super hornet.

 

[MAJESTICAL]

I prefer Eurofighter over Rafale due to its weapons but Both Eurofighter Typhoon and Dassault Rafale are almost the same Eurofighter Lacks its Range vs Rafale and Rafale Lacks its Speed over Eurofighter...

 

[knight11]

Having a powerfull engine doesn't makes any fighter plane better than others if we go in a deep scenario then Rafael have a advantage with EW and choice for armament .better comparision would be between Eurofighter and MKI or Su 35 ,,,,,,,or even Rafael and saab gripen.this comparision is not of any good its just like another fight to prove the other one of low grade.

Why comparing two european planes which shares so many technologies and weapon packages, even developer
Are we going to compare the aerodynamic and its flying characteristics thats why there is no point of this comparison.
In short rafale cheap, better dogfighter, Omnirole and in F4 standard will get Aesa first and have more chances to evolve more than eurofighter. Eurofighter highly powerful, egile, more speed and climb rate but still not developed completely, Jack of all traders but master of airsuperiority and Euro tech at the best but is not going to evolve more like rafael due to high price and the gives less advantage as compare to price than the US counterpart.

 

[GURU DUTT]

true. from what i know Pakistan was interested in the rafale but nothing came of it. but i would prefer the eft simply because it's better in the aspect of performance.

but here we are talking about rafale and typhoon both of which are not something PAF can offord so lets not talk about PAF

thing is we both were offrred to india and both were the best options but both are very expensive too hence india scaled down its requirement and opted for putting the ammount it kept for rafales for R&D of LCA & AMCA programme and russian 5th gen fighter

now even after the india went for 36 rafales makers of typhoon and grippen are sensing a kill here and both have gone extra aggressive in sweetning the deal for IAF


but rafale deal is still on and at least IAF will settle for 4 squads of rafale rest will me LCA and FGFA till AMCA & AURA come of age

 

[knight11]

I prefer Eurofighter over Rafale due to its weapons but Both Eurofighter Typhoon and Dassault Rafale are almost the same Eurofighter Lacks its Range vs Rafale and Rafale Lacks its Speed over Eurofighter...

Why not prefer F-15E saves so much time,brain and energy

 

[Manindra]

Of-course Rafale. Bhartis can never buy anything less than best.

If you don't know IOTA of defence technology then don't poke your nose on that.

@blue marlin in A2A Dassault & Typhoon both are nearly tie up but in A2G it lags even compared to Tornado.
It would be fully A2G capable only in 2019.
So currently Dassault is leading but in 2019 it would be tie up .

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

old as in new tranche 1 or old second hand tranche 1? i know that given a large enough deal Italy , UK and Germany will give some of their older typhoons in as apart of a deal. Kuwait is looking into second hand Italian eft's or new F18 super hornet.

Kuwait has ordered F-18's and they want more older ones because they fear ISIS might be right at their doors.
EFT that are available on the market are Spanish, Italian, British, German and some others... Those are to be purchased by various ME countries so that they are able to make common Arab Defense force to fight against ISIS.
If someone is going to purchase EFT Tranche 1 then they are going to be old. The Tranche 2 is a far improved aircraft but unfortunately it is the rate of production that is restricting...Tranche 3 has been ordered by RSAAF...There are proposal for a manufacturing line to be made in RSA.

My question was regarding the old aircraft on the market..