Which country in South Asia will be first to become developed?

[VCheng]

Is there an option for "none of them" for the foreseeable future?

 

[Well.wisher]

You open such threads that require future predictions , I'm sorry I cannot answer this unless I'm a najoomi .
But I want all these three countries to become developed and stabilised.

 

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I have Voted India , no country goes from Developing to being a developed country, People here in my opinion are arguing for bangladeshis case.

Out of all these countries.
BD is an LDC country, they should worry more about the sea and prepare for global warming like the dutch ,I'd say the sea will drown them long before they become a developed nation.
India is the only fully industrialized nation,They have a serous problem with Religious assimilation Just like Pakistan and this is more due to Historical nature and bordering Pakistan to the West,With a BIG IF .... they take leadership of south asia apart from all the BS about "Integral whatever" they can become a developed country if they settle disputes with smaller neighbors and act like how they should act without doing so they drag menace of Pakistan and china behind their backs,To do so one has to realize a greater south Asian economic prosperity based on Government to People trust.

Pakistan is a Semi-Industrialized and still largely agrarian economy, A terribly over populated country where even the rich are finding it hard to manage the exhausted infrastructure , Here quality of life is such even the upper class has to traverse over a large bridge in Rawalpindi DHA to Islamabad Bahria town over an open sewer system, The society is a constant struggle for power conflict and financial glory , Doubt me? Just look above they name it Bahria Islamabad even though it's on GT Road Rawalpindi.

People
You Know I have great respect for the people of my country (Pakistan) ,It freaking doesn't matter if they're Punjabis,Sindhis,baloch,Afghan,Chitrali,or Gilgits ,The inherent resilience to lead better lives against all odds (Poverty statistics prove this ,War on Terrorism Proves this) Put people of Pakistan the best in south Asia above all , It's truly the land of the Pure where the poorest people sometimes have the brightest souls and most charitable hearts.Character +1 Pakistan

Based on Sheer handwork and obedience India would top in south Asia, Indian communities abroad prove this (Doubt it? Compare the Indian community in Canada and US) +1 To India

The typical south asian problems leave little room to seriously pick any, this isn't happening anywhere in the next decades for India at least based on current trajectories of these countries ,It's going to take one hell of a leader to develop the HDI and bring people out of Poverty in the region.

Pakistan has a very strong cumulative Socio-Religious identity ,Leader's have tried to gamble this for political maneuvering but a very long term comprehensive social change has to start in the country,Just like the European period of Rationalized thinking which was fueled by the Protestant form of Christianity,We on-other hand can value people like Junaid Jamshed or Maulana Tariq Jamil To educate hardliners, If you gonna ask people to end all Shariah Law ,be sure that the People of that country with Zero State education and healthcare with broken sewers are going to burn its capital to the ground.

If these Snow sucking european's can make developed nations ,So can we.
If Pakistanis can eat grass and make atom bomb ,So can we become a Developed nation but before that we have to realize its impossible to become a developed nation if we aren't economically integrated aka (South Asian Economics and Politics) ,The required need to speed billions of Dollars sitting on some glaciers and make nuclear tipped Missiles while the people in country are surviving on one time meals is the reality of south Asia.
Anyways I wouldn't really bet on any coontry here ,but India seems likely.
We need leaders ,Who can be at one place in Pakistan but would know and empathize with people of India to the far East.
We all are one Folk ,South Asian

 

[Indus Pakistan]

As I've said China is the new USA, and this time the relationship will be more strategic than transactional and long lasting too.

CPEC is to Pakistan now what was Mangla, Tarbela and some other help Pakistan got from USA, just got bigger this time, so Pakistan is playing it smartly...yes need a sea change in top leadership.

I agree. I have big hopes on CPEC. There is interesting similarities between CPEC and Pak/USA of 1960s. However there are differances -

1. CPEC investment thus far is not as large as US investment in Pakistan during 1960s with dollar is adjusted for inflation. Although lot of US investment went into much needed defence needs. Cantonments, Mangla, Tarbela, link canals, Islamabad new city, airforce bases/expansion etc etc

2. However because China is next door to Pakistan the strategic realties are anchored on more firmer foundation. China will try harder and far longer and display greater patience because of the strategic reality.

3. However CPEC is going take longer to take fruition because of the internal weakness and fractured nature of our polity. How fractures, how fissiperous we are can be seen in the recent Faizabad impasse. All it would take some two bit mullah who has gift to gather crowds to put on hold billion dollar projects. Or at least that is what outsiders and Beijing will draw from this incident.

The economy after the 1965 war under Ayub Khan was still actually doing really good. Overall, the average growth rate under Ayub Khan was around 7%.

If train engine is pulling a wagon and you uncouple the chain the wagon will continue rolling along for some time because of latent kinetic energy. Americans began backing off after 1965 but the boost continued for few more years.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/whats-holding-back-bangladesh.474841/

Great thread Kedi., your a solid intellect here. I see your thread is more comprehensive and came out earlier than mine. Great read though.

Pakistan has potential to become another Turkey, but for that it need to curb the high population growth.Otherwise high GDP growth will be eaten away by high population growth.Bangladesh and India is about to reach the replacement fertility rate,but Pakistan has still more than 3 children per woman and population is growing by 2 percent per year.By this rate population will double in 35 years.Than all the development plan will not bear fruit as much.If Pakistan want quality than it need to curb the quantity.I think, Pakistan already has sufficient quantity, now focus should be solely on quality.

It's the people that make the country. The problem with Pakistan is we ae too divided, too fractured, have no single vision, a fragile definition of what even Pakistan is and this makes governming this mass of fractious people almost a impossible task. To rule it you have to avoid so many eggshells that nothing of substance can be done.

I voted for Bangladesh not because I like the people or the place. I did so because I think they have the recipe for success right. and already it is showing. Use 1975 as a marker. Compare the three countries then and now. Who has progressed the most? When Bangla success stories began to arrive on my horizon about 5 years ago I simpy ignored them because of my latent prejudice. But as time moved forward Bangla kept 'pinging' on my radar and mostly for positive reasons. Eventually these 'pings' become so frequent and so aggregated that I began to change my view on the country. Finally I had to accept that Bangladesh has seen a miracle to go from famine to where it is today - all with limited resources.

 

[VCheng]

You open such threads that require future predictions , I'm sorry I cannot answer this unless I'm a najoomi .
But I want all these three countries to become developed and stabilised.

One thing is quite certain, though: none of them will develop as easily without laying the foundations for mutually beneficial relations, including trade.

 

[Gurjot.S]

You are asking about developed nation ?. This region is heading for a war.

 

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It's the people that make the country. The problem with Pakistan is we ae too divided, too fractured, have no single vision, a fragile definition of what even Pakistan is and this makes governming this mass of fractious people almost a impossible task. To rule it you have to avoid so many eggshells that nothing of substance can be done.

I voted for Bangladesh not because I like the people or the place. I did so because I think they have the recipe for success right. and already it is showing. Use 1975 as a marker. Compare the three countries then and now. Who has progressed the most? When Bangla success stories began to arrive on my horizon about 5 years ago I simpy ignored them because of my latent prejudice. But as time moved forward Bangla kept 'pinging' on my radar and mostly for positive reasons. Eventually these 'pings' become so frequent and so aggregated that I began to change my view on the country. Finally I had to accept that Bangladesh has seen a miracle to go from famine to where it is today - all with limited resources.

Sir Problem with Pakistan only Exists because of the Class system ,Here nobody cares about religion and the Lowest Income families below the Middle lower class are the ones making all the problem.
This in-fact is urban poverty with no healthcare ,Education ,No Parks to spend quality time,No working sewerage system.
This is why People in Northern area's say Punjab is a living hell because it is extremely mismanaged and underdeveloped,Chitral my hometown for instance has a Primary education Percentage of 99%.
This was in 2003 https://www.dawn.com/news/81119
While in Punjab Primary education is in shambles.
These Molvis with big beard are part of the lower middle class ,these are the one's misled by their preachers ,they murder the infidels (LGBT ,Apostate's , Skin Showing Girls) and whatever , On Other hand their newer generations are more willing to change,The state should use this to their advantage.
These social divisions become only apparent when one is socially incapacitated or either not making enough,Pakistan is among the poorest country in the world by per capita income statistics Just above sudan (140th-148th place i think) and this is the real problem .
Shitty education system ,which is fragmented to hell and which creates people who vote for rich rich industrialists and indulge in institutional politics.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Problem with Pakistan only Exists because of the Class system ,Here nobody cares about religion and the Lowest Income families below the Middle lower class are the ones making all the problem.

I know. People are the problem. The majority. A society is defined by the majority. And the lower income familes are Pakistan because they make 75% of it or perhaps 125 million.


Going back to Bangladesh I think they have developed a healthy go forward attitude minus the bragging and bluster that is hallmark of Indians. This endears a quite confidence. Others may brag but silently the Banglas are moving forward by getting their fundamentals sorted out.

A fine example of brag and bluster? Think US. Think information age. Think IT. Think Silicon Valley. Think Google. Who comes to mind. India of course right? A day will not go without Indians reminding us of some Indian IT techie or that CEO of Google is Indian. Now think of Google Street View. This allows anybody to prod around a country and get to really see what it is like on the ground. There might be five things that might stop your country featuring on Google Street view.

1. Your country has archaic privacy laws that Google avoids because it will land itself in all sort of legal tangles. Think Saudia.

2. Your country has political issues with Google home country - USA that preclude it. Think China, think North Korea.

3. Your country is known as suffering from terrorism and political instability that Google does not feel comfortable scooting around in because of safety.

4. Your country is so low on Googles global vision that it's going to be a while before they show up in your neck of woods. Think Niger. Think Burinidi.

5. Your country is so full of crap that after having gone around the world croaking how great it is you do not want to get seen with your pants down on candid camera. So you prevent Google doing a street view by creating legal or administrative hurdles.

So I checked up to see how my 5 point criterion fared. Guess what China is not on Google Street view. Neither is North Korea. No surprises. Pakistan. No. Again no surprises given our reputation as terrorism central. Anyway exactly how many people go to Pakistan from abroad or have interest in going to Pakistan. I have landed at Islamabad Airport and you might see few faces that are not Pakistani.

Now how about India. Google has Indian CEO. India is one of top countries that get listed as the favourite destination. India ellicits huge interest in the world. Millions of foreigners go to India on holidays. All this would place India as a 'must' for Google Street View. Guess what?? It is not on it. What it does have is the individual photos that of course are provided and as such will garner a edited look at the country. This is like going to a country and having a minder who only allows you to visit location that he decides.

Now here is the surprise. Bangladesh. Would you believe this Bangla has full on Google Street View so you can see it "good, the bad and ugly". I was most surprised about that. My respect for Bangladesh went up. It can't have been easy for the authorities to give permission as the Google Camera catches everything as it goes zipping into every nook and cranny of the country.


Now I wonder why India did not allow the Google candid camera? MMmmm maybe right to privacy? Yes of course. It was not because it would expose the truth behind the shining developing India songs.

 

[HariVamsha]

Which earlier id ??

This is your first time in pdf ?

 

[padamchen]

You are asking about developed nation ?. This region is heading for a war.

Exactly ....

Cheers, Doc

 

[Indus Pakistan]

develop as easily without laying the foundations for mutually beneficial relations, including trade.

Open trade with India would destroy Pakistani economy. On the other hand it would cause a boom in India.

Exactly ....

There is zero chance of major war between Pak/India. Minor or limited engagements is about it. Nukes effectively muzzled both countries.

 

[Well.wisher]

One thing is quite certain, though: none of them will develop as easily without laying the foundations for mutually beneficial relations, including trade.

That's my point Ali haider . If the European countries can combine together and form a developed safe Europe , if the Arabs can be together and create a rich middle east so why can't we south Asians form unity and dedicate our attention to the development of this region and form it as exemplary to other world .

 

[Indus Pakistan]

That's my point Ali haider . If the European countries can combine together and form a developed safe Europe , if the Arabs can be together and create a rich middle east so why can't we south Asians form unity and dedicate our attention to the development of this region and form it as exemplary to other world .

I don't think you know your history. Do you have any idea what happened in 1947? We broke something that British had gifted us. Unity.

And have you ever travelled to Ireland, France, Germany, Netherlands and seen exactly what is differant about them? For instance what is differance between Irish and English?

@Well.wisher

 

[prashantazazel]

Bangladesh will have the easiest time. No serious conflicts, so can spend less on warfare. Being a smaller country does make it easier too.
India probably would have pockets of extremely high development, but the average GDP and per capita income would take a long time to catch up to the west/China. (In some of our richest states, there is a massive chunk of population living a content life, without much of a desire to be an economic success. )

Pakistan can grow faster if they decide they want to be a economic power rather than theocratic.

 

[Well.wisher]

I don't think you know your history. Do you have any idea what happened in 1947? We broke something that British had gifted us. Unity.

There's nothing wrong if we keep our conflicts on side and concentrate on the development and betterment of our countries and finish all bad relations with each other and move ahead . No one's telling to get a united India , we can still create a developed south Asia and keep good trade relations with each other by not harming our sovereignty .