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Where are indian proofs of surgical strike inside Pakistan ?

In a few days, UAV footage of the operation will be made public, will that be enough proof for Pakistanis ?
I guess not.

Then they will claim it is doctored.

For Pakistanis, their army's word is the gospel truth.

For 10 years, Pakistanis did not believe that their army had lied to them about not being present in Kargil, until Pakistani army quietly put the named of its dead soldiers on their website a decade later.

Most Pakistanis still don't believe, Osama Bin Laden was killed in Pakistan, even though Pakistani government accepted it.

There is no cure denial as One can not wake some one, who is only pretending to sleep.
 
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In a few days, UAV footage of the operation will be made public, will that be enough proof for Pakistanis ?
I guess not.

Then they will claim it is doctored.

For Pakistanis, their army's word is the gospel truth.

For 10 years, Pakistanis did not believe that their army had lied to them about not being present in Kargil, until Pakistani army quietly put the named of its dead soldiers on their website a decade later.

Most Pakistanis still don't believe, Osama Bin Laden was killed in Pakistan, even though Pakistani government accepted it.

There is no cure denial as One can not wake some one, who is only pretending to sleep.
Yes, obviously it takes time to fabricate something.....movie in making, looking for actor and director takes time.....lolzz
 
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India is immature and still very much 3rd world. For a country which has the most poor in the world you can't blame them for being this way.

A very large crack in their society is incoming and only then will they get off Pakistans dick.

Frustration at its best
 
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Yes, obviously it takes time to fabricate something.....movie in making, looking for actor and director takes time.....lolzz


Exactly , and since American have't released footage or pictures from operation Neptune Spear , they must be really working on some next generation CGI $hit?

Or are you one of those who believes, Osama bin Laden was also not killed in Pakistan?
 
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In a few days, UAV footage of the operation will be made public, will that be enough proof for Pakistanis ?
I guess not.

Then they will claim it is doctored.

For Pakistanis, their army's word is the gospel truth.

For 10 years, Pakistanis did not believe that their army had lied to them about not being present in Kargil, until Pakistani army quietly put the named of its dead soldiers on their website a decade later.

Most Pakistanis still don't believe, Osama Bin Laden was killed in Pakistan, even though Pakistani government accepted it.

There is no cure denial as One can not wake some one, who is only pretending to sleep.
If Indian army provides substantial evidence it will be tremendous embarrassment for Pakistan for blatant denial. More the delay of revelation more the embarrassment.
Yes, obviously it takes time to fabricate something.....movie in making, looking for actor and director takes time.....lolzz
The movie could have been made earlier as well. If India comes out with evidence, it will be tremendous embarrassment for Pakistan. More the delay, more denial ,more ridicule from Pakistan then very uneasy situation for the sharifs, raheel and Nawaz. If there is evidence then India should wait longer. Anyway, Truth should be revealed and hopefully that will be acknowledged by both countries.
 
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If Indian army provides substantial evidence it will be tremendous embarrassment for Pakistan for blatant denial. More the delay of revelation more the embarrassment.

The movie could have been made earlier as well. If India comes out with evidence, it will be tremendous embarrassment for Pakistan. More the delay, more denial ,more ridicule from Pakistan then very uneasy situation for the sharifs, raheel and Nawaz. If there is evidence then India should wait longer. Anyway, Truth should be revealed and hopefully that will be acknowledged by both countries.
listen your journalist interview " Indian army did operation near LOC " ..... does it make any sense ......
 
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/?hpid=hp_no-name_no-name:homepage/masthead

Friday, September 30, 2016

India and Pakistan clashed again in Kashmir. Here’s what you need to know.

Early on Thursday morning, the Indian army claims its special forces attacked “launchpads” used by militants to infiltrate across the Line of Control between the Indian and Pakistani administered areas of Jammu and Kashmir. Though it has made similar raids in the past, this is the first time the Indian government has openly acknowledged a raid across the LOC, both in public statements and in leaks to the media. Two Pakistan army soldiers and an unknown number of militants were killed in what the Indian army referred to as “surgical strikes.”

This is not the first time that India and Pakistan have clashed in Kashmir. Multiple past wars — most recently the Kargil conflict in 1999 — have been joined by regular skirmishes, cross-LOC artillery exchanges and raids, especially before a cease-fire in 2003. Why, after a long period of relative calm, have we seen this new escalation?

Retaliation for an earlier attack

The raid is clear retaliation for a Sept. 18 soldiers in an Indian army camp near Uri in Indian-administered Kashmir. Since the Uri attack, Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s government has beenseeking to put diplomatic pressure on Pakistan, ranging from condemning it at the United Nations to orchestrating a boycott of the SAARC summit to be held in Islamabad, to bringing up government human rights abuses in the Pakistani province of Baluchistan.

Indian commentators and politicians had been demanding a vigorous response, especially because the Uri attack was preceded by a similar attack against an Indian air force base at Pathankot in January 2016. Modi’s government attempted an opening to Pakistan’s civilian leaders, but the combination of Panthankot and Uri has led Indian policymakers to abandon a policy of conciliation toward Pakistan and instead to combine simultaneous military, economic and diplomatic coercion.

There was already a crisis in the Kashmir valley

The India-Pakistan crisis is not occurring in isolation. Since July, massive waves of protests have rocked the Indian-administered Kashmir Valley. These protests were triggered by the killing of militant Burhan Wani, a Hizbul mujahideen leader who had become a popular face of resistance to India. The administrative and police apparatus of the state government broke down in large parts of the valley, leading to widespread curfews and massive deployments of Indian security forces.

Indian forces have been criticized for an excessive reliance on pellet guns that have killed, maimed and blinded protesters, including children. More than 80 Kashmiri civilians have been killed. Large parts of the Kashmir Valley saw the writ of the state collapse amid large-scale backlash against Indian rule. The Indian army has been used to restore state control over many of these areas, with politicians and the state police unable to operate in the face of large-scale resistance.

This crisis has undermined the Indian government’s strategy to overcome past rounds of protest, as in 2008 and 2010. As I wrote in 2013, Delhi has relied onlocal “pro-India” political parties, promises of development aid and an extensive security presence to try to buy off, co-opt or suppress mobilization. This effort at restoring “normalcy” was undermined by many Kashmiris’ rejection of the political status quo and exacerbated by an increasingly unpopular state coalition government between the valley-based People’s Democratic Party (PDP) and the Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP). This bred growing anger, disillusionment and a widespread belief that the Indian government has little interest in accommodating any Kashmiri demands.

Many in the valley support an independent Jammu and Kashmir, while smaller numbers support accession to Pakistan. Wani’s killing provided a focal point around which a variety of Kashmiri grievances coalesced.

This crisis within the valley had two effects. First, the widely publicized killing and blinding of civilians encouraged Pakistan to press India on the matter. Second, it has provided an opportunity for hard-liners in India to frame all Kashmiri protesters as Pakistani stooges or Islamist fanatics.

With the Indian raids and possible future escalation along the LOC, the valley’s ongoing crisis is now becoming even more closely fused to an India-Pakistan conflict, further reducing the likelihood of substantial political movement by the Indian government. The dysfunctional politics of the valley will be pushed to the back burner until the next round of mass protests, as India’s politicians, media and public instead focus on Pakistan.


Indian and Pakistan are also battling over facts and narratives

The novel thing about these raids is not that they happened, but that India has openly publicized them.

Pakistan, by contrast, has denied that any cross-LOC raid even occurred, blaming the deaths of its soldiers on Indian artillery shelling. We are still deep in the fog of war and many remains unclear, but both of these strategies have implications for how the crisis will play out.

For India’s Modi, this public stance has two audiences. First, it is intended to show his domestic electorate that India will not absorb attacks from Pakistan without a response. Modi campaigned as a strong leader who can take on Pakistan, making the Uri and Pathankot attacks a political vulnerability that the opposition Indian National Congress has sought to exploit.

Second, it is aimed at Pakistan’s public and political class. The Pakistan army would know about a secret raid, as in the past. By going public, Modi is signaling to Pakistani society at large that India has been able to inflict damage on Pakistan’s side of the LOC. It also may be intended to suggest that there would be further punishment if Pakistan retaliates.

The Pakistani response is currently more ambiguous. Simply denying that the raid happened at all may be an effort to preemptively limit escalation pressures. It could also let the Pakistan army claim that it was not caught by surprise and that it did not allow an actual cross-LOC raid. Cross-LOC artillery is a much more common, less dramatic occurrence and avoids embarrassing questions about preparedness.

Regardless, we are seeing a fascinating battle of “dueling truths” between India and Pakistan over what actually happened and what it means for the political relationship between the two countries.

What about the risks of escalation?

India’s raids are also intended to show that India has military room to operate below the threshold that would trigger major conventional, or even nuclear, escalation. As Manoj Joshi notes, the Indian army has explicitly said that it does not intend to continue operations and that it targeted militants and Pakistan army soldiers protecting them, not core formations or facilities of the Pakistan army itself. The raid has been framed as a matter of tactical, preemptive self-defense against militants, making it potentially less likely to escalate than more aggressive military options.

With both militaries now on high alert and the specter of nuclear weapons in the background, there are powerful incentives to avoid intensified conflict. U.S. policymakers, for their part, are urging mutual restraint. A return to a tenuous stability is the most likely outcome, achieving Indian goals adequately without threatening Pakistan’s core interests.

Nevertheless, the risk of escalation remains, especially if clashes spread beyond the LOC. Pakistan’s military will seek some measure of retaliation, whether through direct attacks or, more likely, an increase in militant infiltration into Indian-administered Kashmir. If this results in another major attack against Indian security forces, or especially civilians, Modi will face pressure to up the ante, which could push beyond his ability to surgically control.

This is the major risk of Indian strategy: Pakistan may dare Modi to move farther up the escalation ladder. Preventing this unwanted cycle of action and reaction will be the overwhelming priority of policymakers, in the subcontinent and beyond, in the days to come.

Paul Staniland is an assistant professor of political science at the University of Chicago.
 
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listen your journalist interview " Indian army did operation near LOC " ..... does it make any sense ......
We should wait for information from more credible sources. Local media from India and Pakistan is mostly jingoism. I believe there is more to be revealed. Indian govt. must have anticipated this before the press statement. The ball is in India's court now. I too hope truth is exposed. If Indian govt is fabricating the truth, we should know it.
 
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In a few days, UAV footage of the operation will be made public, will that be enough proof for Pakistanis ?
I guess not.

Then they will claim it is doctored.

For Pakistanis, their army's word is the gospel truth.

For 10 years, Pakistanis did not believe that their army had lied to them about not being present in Kargil, until Pakistani army quietly put the named of its dead soldiers on their website a decade later.

Most Pakistanis still don't believe, Osama Bin Laden was killed in Pakistan, even though Pakistani government accepted it.

There is no cure denial as One can not wake some one, who is only pretending to sleep.

Mark Toner from US state Dept. refused to confirm surgical strike claim.

We should wait for information from more credible sources. Local media from India and Pakistan is mostly jingoism. I believe there is more to be revealed. Indian govt. must have anticipated this before the press statement. The ball is in India's court now. I too hope truth is exposed. If Indian govt is fabricating the truth, we should know it.
Sane voice
 
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Mark Toner from US state Dept. refused to confirm surgical strike claim.


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US has set satellite on LOC and Indian border since 2001. US watch every movement .
 
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Mark Toner from US state Dept. refused to confirm surgical strike claim.


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Thats is standard procedure, how can America officially confirm or deny a military operation , they were not part of?
 
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Indians can't even give simple coordinates of the supposed targets let alone any videos or pictures. Simple coordinates are not much to ask for. On top of that, to add insult to injury, your government minister contradicted your own general who claims to have monitored the entire movie I mean operation by saying that no air power was used. Is it any wonder that Pakistanis aren't even taking it seriously? Forget seriously, the Pakistani media is having a field day laughing at india. Some commentators were even taunting that it wasn't a surgical attack, it was a bollywood attack.
Don't know for sure the location where the attack took place, but nevertheless, video will be released as they say.
 
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There were no surgical strikes.
This whole time is being taken in order to fabricate the videos of strikes in Afghanistan/Iraq/Syria/Gaza/Yemen and use them as "proof" of strikes in Azad Kashmir.

All claims made by Indian media are proven(or on route of being proven) false and misleading, let's wait what Indian military have in its sleeves to show ......
 
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There were no surgical strikes.
This whole time is being taken in order to fabricate the videos of strikes in Afghanistan/Iraq/Syria/Gaza/Yemen and use them as "proof" of strikes in Azad Kashmir.

All claims made by Indian media are proven(or on route of being proven) false and misleading, let's wait what Indian military have in its sleeves to show ......
History is cruel and always speaks the truth. The truth will be out.
 
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can you please share a source for this? the news on this side is filled with the Indian Army declaring to the media that they went into the Pakistan territory ( a mile or two). thats a pretty big claim to backtrack.

Bar of proof is on India and they claimed they have video evidence. I find some of the Indians are asking Pakistan should provide proof that this never happened. So what kind of proof would suffice? How would you like to see nothing is broken, damaged, burnt, attack or bombed? Take your cameras and go out on LoC and film across. India claims it destoryed "launch-pads" which were 500m to 2000m from LoC. You could see this distance with naked eyes.. go and film some burning buildings.

India has actually a very good chance here.. by showing destroyed "launch-pads", it could show the world that see Pakistan actually had them and these were infeltrators who were causing havoc in Kashmir - but despite this golden chance - it has ZERO images, ZERO Videos, ZERO evidences to back its claims. So the Surgical Strike is indeed a "NO EVIDENCE SURGICAL STRIKE".
 
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