Where are indian proofs of surgical strike inside Pakistan ?

[abdulbarijan]

In my humble opinion, I think Indian friends should go and believe word for word what the Indian army and the media claims .. after all, they weren't wrong about the cancellation of the Russian exercises to "isolate Pakistan" or the cross border raid which killed XYZ number of Pakistnai soldiers ... yet turned out to be someone trolling the media using WhatAPP .. I mean let's admit that those things didn't happen inside these 10 days ... and take Indian claim for what it is ..

Afterall, its not like Indian army would fake encounters ... right ?

This week's stunning confessions by two Indian soldiers that they helped stage fake encounters with Pakistani troops on Siachen, often called the world's highest, coldest and costliest battlefield, has renewed calls for demilitarizing the Himalayan glacier.

On Monday, rifleman Shyam Bahadur Thapa told a military court that he not only demolished a fake "enemy-held" objective with a rocket launcher in August 2003 but also acted the part of a Pakistani soldier killed in the action as video cameras whirred away.

Thapa said he did this at the behest of a company commander, Maj. Surinder Singh. "He asked me to remove my jacket and cap and lie there (near the demolished objective)."

Thapa is one of four soldiers who have testified before a court of inquiry to say that they had been forced by their officers, including a colonel and two majors, to participate in fake military encounters on Siachen in August and September 2003.

"Obviously this scandal involves the top brass, perhaps even generals – there is no use victimizing middle-ranking officers and ordinary soldiers," a well-known writer on military affairs, N. Kunju, told IPS in an interview.

http://www.antiwar.com/ips/devraj.php?articleid=2790

And let's not forget this little masterpiece by @Windjammer and @-blitzkrieg-

Wreckage of an aircraft stated as PAF F-6.. somewhere in India...Just one problem, F-6 is a dual engined fighter ... and ofcourse checkout the tail number ..

Check out the tail numbers of INDIAN mig-21's and compare with their "war trophy"

Some model aircraft, placed on the ground and made to look like wrecks of PAF aircraft.

https://defence.pk/threads/fail-indians-put-wreckage-of-their-own-aircraft-stated-as-paf-f-6.448372/

 

[The Sandman]

How can there be evidence of something that didn't happen OP? Let our neighbors believe in what lies their media, Gov and Army is feeding them.

 

[Valkyrie]

A template of conversations between Pakistanis and Indians in the past few days,

Indians : Hurrayyy! Right in your face Pakistan. Our brave jawans carried out Surgical Strikes & took revenge for Uri.

Pakistanis : No Surgical Strikes ever took place. Your govt is re-branding routine exchanges of small-arms-fire and mortars at LoC as Surgical Strikes to placate your frenzied public.

Indians : Indian army strong, the best army. We destroyed your terrorist camps. Your army is embarrassed and weak. We are super power.

Pakistanis : Do you have any proof other then the sensationalist brouhaha of your media?

India : Our DGMO told us.

Pakistanis : DGMO could be towing the same govt. line to pander Indian public sentiments. Do you have anything from neutral source to back up your claim?

Indians : Our DGMO just told us.

Pakistan : Maybe a video footage of the operation from the helmet mounted cam of special operative? Any audio recording? Images? Anything really.

Indians : Our DGMO told us we conducted Surgical Strikes.

Pakistanis : Alright. Let's take a logical assessment of the whole episode. Do you think in today's age of advanced electronic surveillance, intelligence collection methods, monitoring satellites, widespread media, access to information any such operation would've been possible without Pakistan or at the very least US/West knowing about it? If not then why aren't they reporting it?

Indians : Our media and DGMO told us we conducted Surgical Strikes. In you face Pakistan. Hahaha

Pakistan : The LoC is indisputably one the most heavily militarized zone in the world with both India and Pakistan employing latest monitoring, reconnaissance, and surveillance technologies and methods to check any cross-border movement. How do you think Indians managed to bypass all of that to safely arrive inside Pakistan, conduct operations for 6 hours, and then leave undetected, unscathed.

Indians : You're army is afraid and you're lying. Surgical Strikes were real because DGMO told us. Jai Hind

Pakistanis : FML

 

[I S I]

Btw India is claiming to have striked at 8 terrorist "Launchpads" & killed 38 militants in total. So that makes it 4-5 terrorists per camp.

Even the university campings gets more persons per camp. Who are they shitting with really?!

 

[JOEY TRIBIANI]

This is the most laughing condition the land on which the strike has been done is asking the proof from the other side. There are many means today where these kind of activities can be confirmed not by India rather by USA, UK, Russia, China etc and they dont even need to ask India or Pakistan for it remember Russian pics of 9/11. Your establishment was given hint about Cartosat images, drone video after they became mum before that they were also like nothing happened.
Why dont you ask your army and government how come so many terrorist were there inside your country near the international border, logical question would be that.

Yawns . thanks for the speech .
But the question remain same .where are the proofs of your invisible strike?

 

[zebra7]

Ever since the news broke out about indian "surgical strike" inside Pakistan i have been following indian & Pak media, but neither media or indian army have presented any proof of "surgical strike" inside Pakistan"

Pak side says it was only cross border firing. When pakistanis tells that to indians they dont accept , neither do they present any proof of the strike.
There are no dead bodies on the pakistani side. Pakistani soldiers would rushed to any site indian forces were conducting operation on the Pak side of LOC.

I therefore challenge indians to present proof of "surgical strike". Alomost whole LOC is heavily guarded, and its minimum chance of adventures like this . By the way Indians have built a modern 3 layered and tall fence, with sensors, cameras, electric.....

LOL Do you want India to give you the proof, which is lying 40+ in Pakistani Occupied Kashmir area.

You are asking for Proof which will be given soon, at the appropriate time, probably after the forensic evidence of the origin of the so called terrorist or Freedom fighter in your nerrative which were involved in the URI attack, of their GPS equipment they were carrying, which is now in U.S.A Lab which Pakistan won't find it difficult to deny plus the Catosat images with real time update and location to backup the videos made with the UAVs of the whole tactical operation carried out by our Para SF.

In the Mean time care to see some of the proof

1. If there is no Surgical strike carried out in Pakistan, then why so much panic !! First the high level meeting of NS with Raheel Sharif, and then Pakistan ran to U.S.A and China crying.

2. Hafiz Sayeed the chief of Jamat Ud Dawa doing condolense on friday in Lahore for those terrorist who gets killed in an attack. Question is if there is no Surgical Strike, then what for.

Now Listen to him, and pay attention to his wording, which threatened Indian Media, and Blabbing how PA will teach Indians how to do the Surgical strike, in another word his anticipation, anxiety, and fear clearly vissible, and urging PA to take the revenge of his carder terrorists as if he is a Kai-de-Azam of India giving instruction to Raheel Sharif, the army chief of PA and N.S the PM of Pakistan.

3. Pakistani Media, then started circulated the Fake video of the firing and destruction of so called 3 posts of India with artillery -- Which was the Propaganda video, as this video is an old video, being uploaded in Youtube in May 2014. Why it was done to keep the morale of the country up by PA, but when there is no surgical strike, why was this Propaganda needed.

Watch this and with the answer

http://www.indiatvnews.com/video/aa...-sharma-september-30-2016-full-segment-350469

4. If there is no Surgical strike, then why did PA deployed 5 Battalion of extra forces along LOC, and all leaves were suspended for all the forces.

 

[kernelx]

Although there is no need to ask govt or army; as such kind of major incident can not be hidden but we asked and found there is nothing happened as Indians are saying. and what is meant by Surgical strike "on LOC"? as the terrorists were hanging, swinging and enjoying the barbered wires or mines at LOC? lol. at the same time Chandu were walking to digest his dinner in AJK territory without knowing 3 to 4 hours Sir-je-kal-strike of his own army or considering himself living in 2006....

This is the most laughing condition the land on which the strike has been done is asking the proof from the other side. There are many means today where these kind of activities can be confirmed not by India rather by USA, UK, Russia, China etc and they dont even need to ask India or Pakistan for it remember Russian pics of 9/11. Your establishment was given hint about Cartosat images, drone video after they became mum before that they were also like nothing happened.
Why dont you ask your army and government how come so many terrorist were there inside your country near the international border, logical question would be that.

 

[kernelx]

LOL Do you want India to give you the proof, which is lying 40+ in Pakistani Occupied Kashmir area.
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1. there is no panic in Pakistan. Punjab border village have been get vacated at your side, however, our villagers are still residing in their home (so panic is at you side). Imran Khan still doing opposition of Govt (no panic). mean everything is normal here. meeting is just for preparation of war, considering Modi's Mode and hysteria, not because of so called sir-je-kal strike.

2. where Hafiz Saeed said they did surgical strike and our people killed? instead he is saying "they are lying". as far as the revenge he is talking about- its related to the martyrdom of our two army jawans. however, Pak army have already taken revenge by killing around 8 and imprisoned one of Indian army personnel.

3. If these videos were uploaded in May 2014, please share link. however, cross border firing and killing of Indian troops and apprehension of one Indian soldier is reality. as Pakistan arrest one India soldier, even we are not claiming surgical Strike in India. why not Indian captured at least of of Pakistani or taken his head as they remain in AJK for hours and killed between 30 to 70 with so much ease. lol.
initially you media were claiming that Indian also used helicopter etc for strike later one of the minister denied usage of helicopter?? whats the reality.

4. its just a naive question. if your neighboring country is threatening for war then what will you do? just chill chill? thats simple...

40+ causalities as you said and nothing on ground. how such kind of big incident can be concealed. no reliable media group in world or a country is endorsing Indian claim??
So where are the proofs .

 

[Reichsmarschall]

Here the proof, evidence of their surgical strike : Enjoy it
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-37518200

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10154222577067663

 

[Vortex]

Here the proof, evidence of their surgical strike : Enjoy it
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-37518200

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10154222577067663

Does the statement of this person contradict the article from BBC ?

 

[Dr. Abdul Basit]

150 soldiers came and wreaked hell for 4 hours but nobuddy knew about it, not even Pak Army....lol
But only one soldier chohan steps into Pak territory by so called mistake and gets captured....mega lol
150 goes undetected and 1 gets arrested........ye khula tazaad nahi ha

 

[zebra7]

150 soldiers came and wreaked hell for 4 hours but nobuddy knew about it, not even Pak Army....lol
But only one soldier chohan steps into Pak territory by so called mistake and gets captured....mega lol
150 goes undetected and 1 gets arrested........ye khula tazaad nahi ha

Wrong it was 25 Para SF Commandoes which were devided into 5 Groups, which was air lifted with the Hellicopters and drops few KM away from the Camps, and the whole operation was Multi task, and Multi strike.

3. If these videos were uploaded in May 2014, please share link. however, cross border firing and killing of Indian troops and apprehension of one Indian soldier is reality. as Pakistan arrest one India soldier, even we are not claiming surgical Strike in India. why not Indian captured at least of of Pakistani or taken his head as they remain in AJK for hours and killed between 30 to 70 with so much ease. lol.
initially you media were claiming that Indian also used helicopter etc for strike later one of the minister denied usage of helicopter?? whats the reality.

LOL why not get the whole story of this video and the actual source.

1. there is no panic in Pakistan. Punjab border village have been get vacated at your side, however, our villagers are still residing in their home (so panic is at you side). Imran Khan still doing opposition of Govt (no panic). mean everything is normal here. meeting is just for preparation of war, considering Modi's Mode and hysteria, not because of so called sir-je-kal strike.

Yes we know that that's why Pakistan ran crying to UN, U.S.A, and China. 5 Battalion of army deployed along LOC.
And your Idiot Defence Minister crying Nuke Nuke.

. where Hafiz Saeed said they did surgical strike and our people killed? instead he is saying "they are lying". as far as the revenge he is talking about- its related to the martyrdom of our two army jawans. however, Pak army have already taken revenge by killing around 8 and imprisoned one of Indian army personnel.

Hear what he says, and do read the poster in the video, and guess whom for this Mattam they are making.

its just a naive question. if your neighboring country is threatening for war then what will you do? just chill chill? thats simple...

India is threatening you, but what for, are you saint when you have been attacking us for Decades.

40+ causalities as you said and nothing on ground. how such kind of big incident can be concealed. no reliable media group in world or a country is endorsing Indian claim??
So where are the proofs .

Don't worry, we have full faith in our Army, when they said they did they have Done the Job. But in your case its different, because you must be remembering that LOC Kargil when PA claim, its Mujahideen, and no PA in Kargil fighting India, and refuses to except their soldiers dead body, and the whole report of the Kargil War is still to released.

Look at you Army Chief Mushy statements, and the real truth.

and if you are hell bend for the video and real footage of the whole Surgical Strike, then you should remember, no one U.S, Israel had ever release such video which could reveal very sensitive information, rest you are intelligent.

 

[Mitro]

Modi has ruined Indian army credibility by forcing them to tell lie.
DGMO may be commit suicide in shame and expose modi lie.
Poor liar army hahaha

 

[kernelx]

nt.

All you arguments just based on words and statements of others o fact. what I have learnt is that you "crow is white".

anyway I must accept that Endian Commandos are so trained that they don't only killed 40+ in Pakistan but took away their bodies as well as all the shells of rounds they fired on them. now Pakis and UN observers are trying hard to find not the dead bodies but just a single bullet shall. Surely Indians killed people by invisible guns. now US is begging Indian to provide such technology to them.

 

[cocomo]

Here is the proof.