When did shorts get so commonplace among Indian girls?

[divya]

atleast women have property rights, what rights did hindus give to women??, burn them down after their husbands death??? otherwise susraal walas would make their life miserable

Arthashastra and Manusamhita are sources about the woman's right to property or ‘Stridhan’, (literally meaning, property of wife). It is of two types: maintenance (in money or land given by the husband), and anything else like ornaments given to her by her family, husband, in-laws and the friends of her husband. Manu further subdivides this into six types - the property given by parents at marriage, given by the parental family when she is going to her husband’s house, given by her husband out of affection (not maintenance which he is bound to give), and property given separately by brother, mother and father [Manu IX 194]. Pre-nuptial contracts are also mentioned where the groom would agree to give a set amount of brideprice to both parents and the bride. Such property belonged to the wife alone and was not to be touched by the groom or her parents except in emergencies (in sickness, in famine, threatened by robbers, or for performing holy deeds


Again i repeat provide with the links or STFU?

you are talking abt polygamy when you have guys in india who share an indian woman..., a woman is simultaneously married to two indian guys

There are cases like that of dropdi in India for the sake of promise which they made. Hinduism never supports polygamy.....
Let me repeat
Again i repeat provide with the links or STFU?

i just cant believe after coming from so much backwardness and slavery to men, you still have courage to defend your black past while bashing the muslims who made you human and civilized for the first time

Keep this civilization to yourself dont need it.... where men are perverted enough to get erotic with just a view of the face of women

Not interested in tent house cultures.

 

[RoYaL~GuJJaR]

LOL..Too many Kids Ranting about India without having any knowledge of India and it culture..

 

[Sayonara]

U r a kid.. right?? When people dont take History lessons properly they always create ruckus here.. Muhammad Bin Qasim entered in that time India (Say Bharat, Aryavart, Jambudweep whatever) in 723 to attack King Dahir and that is called Islamic invasion to India.. Now if u history books say something else then dont fight here...

Qn stays same... if Sati is not mentioned in anywhere in the religious books then from where did they come.. I give you one stance... Go read Malik Muhammad Jayasi's Padmavat or search for Jauhar/ Rani Padmavati... When Muslim invaders attacked and their husbands were martyred Hindu women started doing Jauhar which later on become a Mal practice named Sati..

Now u enoguh said fool and all hence post reported..

hey kid learn to comprehend the meanings, from muhammad bin qasim, islam was only limited to sindh, and it entered inia only after 1000 ad

even if u search in wikipidia you will find the ractice bean in 400 ad

look it up for history lessons, sati has nothing to do wih islam, muslims never practiced sati, sati was a source od depiction of women slavery in india, even now india is the only country with more male population because the new born irls are killed, look up youtube docs on that, its still practiced today

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sati_(practice)

Origin
Few reliable records exist of the practice before the time of the Gupta empire, approximately 400 AD. After about this time, instances of sati began to be marked by inscribed memorial stones. The earliest of these are found in Sagar, Madhya Pradesh, though the largest collections date from several centuries later, and are found in Rajasthan. These stones, called devli, or sati-stones, became shrines to the dead woman, who was treated as an object of reverence and worship. They are most common in western India.[3]

 

[Pride]

Arthashastra and Manusamhita are sources about the woman's right to property or ‘Stridhan’, (literally meaning, property of wife). It is of two types: maintenance (in money or land given by the husband), and anything else like ornaments given to her by her family, husband, in-laws and the friends of her husband. Manu further subdivides this into six types - the property given by parents at marriage, given by the parental family when she is going to her husband’s house, given by her husband out of affection (not maintenance which he is bound to give), and property given separately by brother, mother and father [Manu IX 194]. Pre-nuptial contracts are also mentioned where the groom would agree to give a set amount of brideprice to both parents and the bride. Such property belonged to the wife alone and was not to be touched by the groom or her parents except in emergencies (in sickness, in famine, threatened by robbers, or for performing holy deeds


Again i repeat provide with the links or STFU?




There are cases like that of dropdi in India for the sake of promise which they made. Hinduism never supports polygamy.....
Let me repeat
Again i repeat provide with the links or STFU?



Keep this civilization to yourself dont need it.... where men are perverted enough to get erotic with just a view of the face of women

Not interested in tent house cultures.

Calm down else one more time ban for u

 

[SpArK]

When did shorts get so commonplace among Indian girls?

After i left my college days few years back.. Damn it!

 

[Pride]

hey kid learn to comprehend the meanings, from muhammad bin qasim, islam was only limited to sindh, and it entered inia only after 1000 ad

even if u search in wikipidia you will find the ractice bean in 400 ad

look it up for history lessons, sati has nothing to do wih islam, muslims never practiced sati, sati was a source od depiction of women slavery in india, even now india is the only country with more male population because the new born irls are killed, look up youtube docs on that, its still practiced today

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sati_(practice)

Origin
Few reliable records exist of the practice before the time of the Gupta empire, approximately 400 AD. After about this time, instances of sati began to be marked by inscribed memorial stones. The earliest of these are found in Sagar, Madhya Pradesh, though the largest collections date from several centuries later, and are found in Rajasthan. These stones, called devli, or sati-stones, became shrines to the dead woman, who was treated as an object of reverence and worship. They are most common in western India.[3]

Bhains ke aage been bajayem Bhains khade paguraye ..

 

[Nair saab]

atleast women have property rights, what rights did hindus give to women??, burn them down after their husbands death??? otherwise susraal walas would make their life miserable

you are talking abt polygamy when you have guys in india who share an indian woman..., a woman is simultaneously married to two indian guys

i just cant believe after coming from so much backwardness and slavery to men, you still have courage to defend your black past while bashing the muslims who made you human and civilized for the first time

First we know a lot of Tabilani liberals...& listen close minded person...we Indians are the oldest civilization in the world... world learned maths,science & astrology from Camel grazing Arabs who learned it from Indians...get a reality check Kid...

 

[divya]

hey kid learn to comprehend the meanings, from muhammad bin qasim, islam was only limited to sindh, and it entered inia only after 1000 ad

even if u search in wikipidia you will find the ractice bean in 400 ad

look it up for history lessons, sati has nothing to do wih islam, muslims never practiced sati, sati was a source od depiction of women slavery in india, even now india is the only country with more male population because the new born irls are killed, look up youtube docs on that, its still practiced today

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sati_(practice)

Origin
Few reliable records exist of the practice before the time of the Gupta empire, approximately 400 AD. After about this time, instances of sati began to be marked by inscribed memorial stones. The earliest of these are found in Sagar, Madhya Pradesh, though the largest collections date from several centuries later, and are found in Rajasthan. These stones, called devli, or sati-stones, became shrines to the dead woman, who was treated as an object of reverence and worship. They are most common in western India.[3]

Lol where does it say that its in hindu scriptures....

and for the polygamy part

Polygamy
Thus certain mantras in Vedas describe demerits of Polygamy.
- Rig Veda 10.105.8 compares existence of multiple wives with multiple worldly miseries.[14]
- Rig Veda 10.101.11 states that a man with two wives is pressed from both sides and weeps like a horse that neighs when pressed from both sides by spokes while driving a chariot.
- Rig Veda 10.101.11 state that two wives make life aimless.
- Atharva Veda 3.18.2 prays that may a woman never face threat of another co-wife.
However, other mantras in the Vedas seem to support polygamy.
- Rig Veda 1.62.11 states that "As yearning wives cleave to their yearning husband, so cleave our hymns to thee, O Lord most potent."

 

[Trisonics]

why are Pakistanis so worked up if Indian girls wear shorts?

 

[SQ8]

You have a pretty twisted understanding of a liberal mindset.

When the mindset is itself twisted.. that is what you understand of it..
Apparently.. liberal to most here means being as.. "open" as possible.
be it culture, clothes.. or nightly habits..

Sex has not been taboo for many people..
but just as one would choose who it is appropriate to make humor regarding feces and urine to..
it was always kept to certain quarters..
Sex education is important..
But too much of a good thing.. and then it ends up at the same level as taking a crap..
After all.. these are bodily functions as well..

Were there not courtesans before?
Is the Kamasutra not part of the history of the subcontinent??

But was it written for private reading.. or a mass sermon?

Perhaps Ive yet to make another trip to my ancestral town..
its been a while.. maybe this time ill find people riding the dehli metro in G-strings.... both the sexes.. and the middle ones as well.
After all.. since the Taliban next door are ethically and morally corrupt..
and their women are enslaved to this foreign religion..
Lets show them how progressive India is.. lets liberate our bodies..

Divvya's post.. is pretty close to what I am trying to say..
Sharam.. laaj gehna..
in mein se kuch bhi nahin pehna isnt the idea..
Whats left of India that is Indian then??

You want to wear jeans.. shorts.. etc.
sure.. I never object.. or mind it..
But the more I find twisted American or fake british accents..
Getting into sex and booze.. because that is what you saw on 90210..
that is where it goes wrong..
this.. twisted liberal has his parties..
dances.. and all..
But knew where he was losing what distinguished him from a high schooler in wisconsin.. he drew the line.

 

[Urbanized Greyhound]

atleast women have property rights, what rights did hindus give to women??, burn them down after their husbands death??? otherwise susraal walas would make their life miserable

you are talking abt polygamy when you have guys in india who share an indian woman..., a woman is simultaneously married to two indian guys

i just cant believe after coming from so much backwardness and slavery to men, you still have courage to defend your black past while bashing the muslims who made you human and civilized for the first time

LOL ... This is what we call the height of arrogance.....

Women have rights of inheritance in hinduism too. Read it up

Women in ancient India used to be very respected. There is no exclusion of women according to the Vedas. Motherhood is considered the greatest glory of Hindu women. The Taittiriya Upanishad teaches, "Matridevo bhava" - "Let your mother be god to you." In this mantra of Brahmcharya Sukta, it is emphasized that girls too should train themselves as students and only then enter into married life. The Sukta specifically emphasizes that girls should receive the same level of training as boys.

Atharva Veda 11.5.18 : "Girls should train themselves to become complete scholars and youthful through Brahmcharya and then enter married life."

Atharva Veda 14.1.6 : "Parents should gift their daughter intellectuality and power of knowledge when she leaves for husband's home. They should give her a dowry of knowledge."

When girls ignore external objects and develops foresight and vibrant attitude through power of knowledge, she becomes provider of wealths of skies and earth. Then she should marry an eligible husband.

Atharva Veda 14.1.20 : "Oh wife! Give us discourse of knowledge"
The bride may please everyone at her husband's home through her knowledge and noble qualities.

Atharva Veda 7.46.3 : "Teach the husband ways of earning wealth. Protector of children, having definite knowledge, worth thousands of prayers and impressing all directions, O women, you accept prosperity. O wife of deserving husband, teach your husband to enhance wealth."

Atharva Veda 7.47.1 : "Oh woman! You are the keeper of knowledge of all types of actions (karma)."

Atharva Veda 7.47.2 : "Oh woman! You know everything. Please provide us strength of prosperity and wealth."

Atharva Veda 14.1.64 : "Oh woman! Utilize your vedic intellect in all directions of our home!"

Atharva Veda 1.14.3 : "Oh groom! This bride will protect your entire family."

Atharva Veda 2.36.3 : "May this bride become the queen of the house of her husband and enlighten all."

Atharva Veda 11.1.17 : "These women are pure, sacred and yajniya (as respected as yajna); they provide us with subjects, animals and food."
Atharva Veda 14.1.20 : "Hey wife! Become the queen and manager of everyone in the family of your husband."

Thoses verses proof that women used to be very respected. These women are pure, sacred, worth being worship, worth being served, of great character, scholarly. They have given subjects, animals and happiness to the entire society.

Atharva Veda 12.2.31 : "Ensure that these women never weep out of sorrow. Keep them free from all diseases and give them ornaments and jewels to wear."

Atharva Veda 14.1.50 : "Hey wife! I am holding your hand for prosperity."

Atharva Veda 14.1.61 : "Hey bride! You shall bring bliss to all and direct our homes towards our purpose of living."

Atharva Veda 14.2.71 : "Hey wife! I am knowledgeable and you are also knowledgeable. If I am Samved then you are Rigved."

Atharva Veda 14.2.74 : "This bride is illuminating. She has conquered everyone's hearts!"

Atharva Veda 7.38.4 and 12.3.52 : "Women should take part in the legislative chambers and put their views on forefront."

Rig Veda 10.85.7 : "Parents should gift their daughter intellectuality and power of knowledge when she leaves for husband's home. They should give her a dowry of knowledge."

Rig Veda 3.31.1 : "The right is equal in the fathers property for both son and daughter."

The idea of equality was most forcibly expressed in the Rig Veda (Book 5, hymn 61. verse 8): The commentator explains this passage thus: "The wife and husband, being the equal halves of one substance, are equal in every respect; therefore both should join and take equal parts in all work, religious and secular."

Atharva Veda 14-1-64 "O bride! May the knowledge of the Vedas be in front of you and behind you, in your centre and in your ends. May you conduct your life after attaining the knowledge of the Vedas. May you be benevolent, the harbinger of good fortune and health and live in great dignity and indeed be illumined in your husband's home."

Rigveda Samhita, part 1, sukta 79, sloka 872 : "The wife should do agnihotra (yagna), sandhya (puja) and all other daily religious rituals. If, for some reason, her husband is not present, the woman alone has full rights to do yagna."

Like wise in so many other mantras a woman has been presented to play an essential role in family and as wife. Similarly she has been given the lead stage in society works, in governmental organizations, and for ruling the nation is also mentioned in Vedas.

[4]

Rigevda contains several Suktas containing description of Usha as a God. This Usha is representation of an ideal woman. Please refer "Usha Devata" by Pt Sri Pad Damodar Satvalekar as part of "Simple Translation of Rigveda (Rigved ka subodh bhashya)". Page 121 to 147 for summary of all such verses spread across entire Rigveda. In summary:

1. Women should be brave (Page 122, 128)
2. Women should be expert (Page 122)
3. Women should earn fame (Page 123)
4. Women should ride on chariots (Page 123)
5. Women should be scholars (Page 123)
6. Women should be prosperous and wealth (Page 125)
7. Women should be intelligent and knowledgeable (Page 126)
8. Women should be protector of family and society and get in army(Page 134, 136)
9. Women should be illuminating (Page 137)
10. Women should be provider of wealth, food and prosperity (Page 141- 146)

Yajur Veda 20.9 : "There are equal rights for men and women to get appointed as ruler."

Yajur Veda 16.44 : "There should be a women army. Let the women be encouraged to participate in war."

Yajur Veda 10.26 : "In this mantra it is enforced that the wife of ruler should give education of politics to the others. Likewise the king do justice for the people, the queen should also justify her role."

[5]

Rig Veda 10-191-3 : O women! These mantras are given to you equally (as to men). May your thoughts, too, be harmonious. May your assemblies be open to all without discrimination. Your mind and consciousness should be harmonious. I (the rishi) give you these mantras equally as to men and give you all and equal powers to absorb (the full powers) of these mantras."

"Women are worthy of worship. They are the fate of the household, the lamp of enlightenment for all in the household. They bring solace to the family and are an integral part of dharmic life. Even heaven is under the control of women. The gods reside in those households where women are worshipped and in households where women are slighted all efforts at improvement go in vain." Manusmriti 3-56

Point out one single historical source claiming Polygamy was wildspread in ancient India.

and of course .....

Burning temples , demolishing Buddhists universities , religious conversion by force , enforcing burkas and such restrictions - is very human and civilized .

Face it. The invaders were tyrants solely concerned with raping , pillaging , looting subcontinental wealth and converting the indigeneous population at sword point. Given all the historical evidence - I'm surprised you expect us not to bash them .

 

[Sayonara]

why are Pakistanis so worked up if Indian girls wear shorts?

i think the debate began when you foolish member divua brought insultng islamic remarks into sane discussion

 

[John Doe]

@Santro:

C'mon man, you are allowing someone(Sayonara) who joined today or yesterday to go on ranting and raving? This was such a harmless thread about what changes I have seen in urban India over the last few years.

@topic: Keep it light guys and girls..... Forget the haters. We know the story of the 'sour grapes' right? Leave it be.

And walk upto all the girls you see wearing shorty shorts and express your support to them in their struggle against male chauvinism and hardline fundamentalism

 

[Trisonics]

Lol where does it say that its in hindu scriptures....

and for the polygamy part

Polygamy
Thus certain mantras in Vedas describe demerits of Polygamy.
- Rig Veda 10.105.8 compares existence of multiple wives with multiple worldly miseries.[14]
- Rig Veda 10.101.11 states that a man with two wives is pressed from both sides and weeps like a horse that neighs when pressed from both sides by spokes while driving a chariot.
- Rig Veda 10.101.11 state that two wives make life aimless.
- Atharva Veda 3.18.2 prays that may a woman never face threat of another co-wife.
However, other mantras in the Vedas seem to support polygamy.
- Rig Veda 1.62.11 states that "As yearning wives cleave to their yearning husband, so cleave our hymns to thee, O Lord most potent."

Divya JI why the hell do you even want to make them understand? don't waste your time

 

[Pride]

why are Pakistanis so worked up if Indian girls wear shorts?

They r feeling jealous abt it as they r missing it