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What's brewing in Washington?

In most competitive endeavors, having a winning strategy is only half the battle. Arguably, it is the lesser half, the more important being the ability to anticipate and neutralize the opponent's strategy. In serendipiditous instances, you can even use the opponent's strategy right against them. The most glaring example of this is the co-opting and use of jihadi elements by certain nameless countries against the Pakistani army and populace itself.

In the context of this thesis, and in light of recent events, it's natural to ask what exactly is America's strategy towards Pakistan? What's brewing in Washington?

The unwritten assumption here, of course, is that America is Pakistan's opponent. Much has been said about anti-Americanism in Pakistan, but where's the other side coming from? What are the dimensions of America's view of Pakistan? To tackle that conundrum, we must first take a very brief historical tour of America's relationship with the region. Up through the Cold War, there was a clear alignment of US and Pakistani interests to balance the Soviet-India nexus (the NAM charade was amusing at best). It is important to note that, even during the Cold War, the US anticipated China's rise and viewed it as a nemesis-in-waiting. That status got elevated to primacy after the Soviet collapse and Russia's descent into irrelevance. To counter the perceived Chinese threat, and cognizant of the tension between India and China, the US decided to promote India as a counterweight. The US has made no bones about where it views India in its geopolitical plan, and it continues to sponsor India's membership in any number of internal forums. Certainly, India's economy is a draw, but the primary focus of US policies is the geopolitical agenda. You don't get to stay top dog by being complacent.

So, how does all this relate to Pakistan? Does Pakistan being an Islamic country have any relevance here? What about Afghanistan and the war on terror? I submit that these are irrelevant red herrings in America's great plan. Terrorism is not, and has never been, a serious threat to American dominance. In fact, it has been a boon for governments all around to enact invasive legislation and increase control over their own people. For its part, the Afghan war on terror is just a front for continued American military presence in this important geopolitical location. As for Islam, again America doesn't care since most Muslim countries are irrelevant on the global stage. The few countries that matter are solidly under the American thumb.

Coming back to the regional calculus, India is playing it smart. It plays the double game of friendly overtures to Pakistan and China while, at the same time, making sure America understands that India wouldn't mind at all (wink, wink) if Pakistan and China were to 'suffer' at America's hands. Reading between the lines, America knows that the price of India's cooperation in the greater game is Pakistan's head on a platter. To that end, the only thing standing in the way is the Pakistani security apparatus (army and ISI). The feudal politicians have long since been bought -- if not by America directly, then through the Arab proxies -- and can be counted on to do their master's bidding. The few oligarchs that haven't been bought have been exempt precisely because of their incompetence and, hence, unworthiness.

The focus of America's wrath, then, is squarely upon the Pakistani security apparatus. The American agenda is to erode the respect and morale of these agencies. Their weapon of choice is the 'free' media and the method of choice is the famous 'leak', or alleged quotes by 'unnamed officials'. The Western media, now exposed as being a fully complicit agent of government propaganda, is Pakistan's number one enemy. It is the enabler for government policies by setting the public mood -- by 'manufacturing consent' as Chomsky noted.

For its part, the Pakistani military seems to have wised up. In the past, they played America's game, partly to get military support to balance Russian patronage of India, and partly as lucrative personal sellout. However, the military now understands that for every F-16 they get, India will get 10 F-35s, so American military support is worthless against their primary opponent. The ISI also understands full well America's real goals in Afghanistan and why it is imperative to thwart them.

Assuming the above reflects the current American agenda, and given that the US is perhaps the single most important country in the world, the question for Pakistan is how to negotiate the waters ahead.

How can Pakistan convince America to re-calibrate its view of the region, to convince it that it is more useful alive than dead? What are the common interests that Pakistan can propose to change the American administration's mindset? And, just as importantly, what are likely to be the main roadblocks derailing any Pakistani efforts?

(Thanks to Kakgeta for reviewing.)
 
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What's brewing in Washington?

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How can Pakistan convince America to re-calibrate its view of the region, to convince it that it is more useful alive than dead? What are the common interests that Pakistan can propose to change the American administration's mindset? And, just as importantly, what are likely to be the main roadblocks derailing any Pakistani efforts?

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Those are important questions indeed. Let's have your answers to them too, so that we can have a good discussion on this important topic.
 
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Those are important questions indeed. Let's have your answers to them too, so that we can have a good discussion on this important topic.

I don't want to hog the debate just yet and turn it into a monolog. I'd rather let people comment first. Also, it's a bit past my bedtime, unfortunately!
 
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Reading between the lines, America knows that the price of India's cooperation in the greater game is Pakistan's head on a platter

what exactly did you mean by this ? How would having Pakistan's head on a platter serve India's interests? when all that India wants in status quo in Kashmir ?

If India wanted Pakistan's head on a platter it would have been India which would have launched attacks against Pakistan in all those previous wars but the facts tell a completely opposite story .

About the last important questions asked , The only way Pak can redeem its relations with USA is if it stops acting as a safe haven for Haqqanis and Afghan Taliban . If 'Quetta Shura' was instead 'Delhi Shura' or 'Jaipur Shura' , India's relations would have gone awry with them as well .

If after denying it for years Osama was found living in Bombay near a military academy , USA would have reacted the same way with India without a doubt as it did with Pakistan .

Apart from all that , improving your economy and increasing your growth rate will make your market attractive for American corporations and as we know it is corporations that run America effectively , so that too would help Pakistan escape American wrath and get its favour .
 
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I don't want to hog the debate just yet and turn it into a monolog. I'd rather let people comment first. Also, it's a bit past my bedtime, unfortunately!

Fair enough; I can wait too. :D
 
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An out and out maggot-ridden piece of trash which is intellectually bankrupt at best and hysterically delusional at worst. It has just run the entire gamut of A to B of Pakistan's self-flagellating importance(for lack of a better word) to America in what is seen as the New Great Game for a paranoid's perspective. Now that the 30,000 feet view of the half-baked article has been given, let us dive into the article to see whats behind the smoke and mirrors of this bunkum.

To tackle that conundrum, we must first take a very brief historical tour of America's relationship with the region. Up through the Cold War, there was a clear alignment of US and Pakistani interests to balance the Soviet-India nexus (the NAM charade was amusing at best). It is important to note that, even during the Cold War, the US anticipated China's rise and viewed it as a nemesis-in-waiting. That status got elevated to primacy after the Soviet collapse and Russia's descent into irrelevance. To counter the perceived Chinese threat, and cognizant of the tension between India and China, the US decided to promote India as a counterweight. The US has made no bones about where it views India in its geopolitical plan, and it continues to sponsor India's membership in any number of internal forums. Certainly, India's economy is a draw, but the primary focus of US policies is the geopolitical agenda. You don't get to stay top dog by being complacent.
Pakistan can cry hoarse till the cows come home, and get its knickers into a twist of seeing India getting propped up by the US as a counter-weight, but this world lives by a "No Free Lunch" theory. India's rise is NOT, repeat NOT, due to its pandering to the West(US) through liberalization, but due to the presence of its educated middle class connect, its investment in science, technology & education and most of all a domestic-driven economy that has kept it rising. You can have blinders to the world and see the skin, but what you miss is the guts for India's rise. While according to you, US may see India as a bulwark to its plan for its geopolitical goals, India's view of realpolitik is myopic in your analysis (which is expected), which is to see its neighbourhood as a peaceful and prosperous zone by way of which it can act as a trade hub in the Asian region. The bad luck of India is it has less share of its neighbours and more share of hoods. Secondly, The US does not have the India chip to counter China, it has played the Myanmar one and it also had the Indonesian one too. The unfortunate thing is the only visible part through this Pakistani analysis is India (being the 100 pound gorilla in the room), while US has a host of cards to play.

Coming back to the regional calculus, India is playing it smart. It plays the double game of friendly overtures to Pakistan and China while, at the same time, making sure America understands that India wouldn't mind at all (wink, wink) if Pakistan and China were to 'suffer' at America's hands. Reading between the lines, America knows that the price of India's cooperation in the greater game is Pakistan's head on a platter. To that end, the only thing standing in the way is the Pakistani security apparatus (army and ISI). The feudal politicians have long since been bought -- if not by America directly, then through the Arab proxies -- and can be counted on to do their master's bidding. The few oligarchs that haven't been bought have been exempt precisely because of their incompetence and, hence, unworthiness.
TBH, Pakistan is not even seen as a threat, it is more like a monkey in the wrench, a fly in the ointment if you will. India does not need Pakistan's head or whatever in a platter. Pakistani security apparatus and its "deep state" are the more sold-out bunch to the Americans who will fly at the drop of a hat than the politicians. But Unfortunately, the "deep state" has been the biggest undoing of Pakistan yet, and will be the cause of eternal strife and anarchy in Pakistan more than the feudals. Again, i do not expect the OP to highlight this, because paranoia feeds itself and he wants Pakistan to be muddled forever and tagged as a "land of Conspiracy Theories".
 
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Dude be nice , Developoreo wrote it himself if I am not wrong .:eek:
I know ; I assumed that articles written in Def.Pk by members usually are from a perspective of a research or a policy paper outlook. I mean if a member would want to genuinely highlight his critical thinking on a topic, he should cite/quote authoritative sources of his information, give insights and then his analysis. Unfortunately, i see none of them here. I am no expert in Foreign Policy but if this guy would even be near the corridors of Pakistan's strategic FO ThinkTanks, then i would say its time to shut the door of diplomacy from the Pakistani FO playbook.
 
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the NAM charade was amusing at best

Must be for Pakistani sense of humour, however we opposed Soviet invasion in Afg in UN, so much for being in Soviet camp.

It is important to note that, even during the Cold War, the US anticipated China's rise and viewed it as a nemesis-in-waiting.

lol.

US and China friendship was pretty close if not deeper than oceans, higher than mountains during cold war.

Ping Pong Diplomacy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

US was even ready to help China militarily if later was threatened by USSR, according recent unclassified documents.

Will post detailed rebuttal later.
 
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If India wanted Pakistan's head on a platter it would have been India which would have launched attacks against Pakistan in all those previous wars but the facts tell a completely opposite story .

Indian delusions notwithstanding, India is in no position to launch unilateral strikes without incurring unacceptable payback.

Apart from all that , improving your economy and increasing your growth rate will make your market attractive for American corporations and as we know it is corporations that run America effectively , so that too would help Pakistan escape American wrath and get its favour .

While improving the economy is definitely a worthy goal in itself, it is incorrect to presume that 'corporations run America'. American oil companies can make a killing in Iran, yet their interests remain subservient to the administration's agenda. Nobody in their right mind believes that Iran poses any kind of threat to America itself.

Dude be nice , Developoreo wrote it himself if I am not wrong .:eek:

When exposed to reality, Indian tantrums have become the norm on Def.pk. Now they just provide amusement.

Some people find it convenient to ignore explicit policy statements by seniormost American officials and think tanks, as well as patterns of behavior, preferring instead to live in a self-delusional bubble. Reality, however, is not hostage to such denial.

Must be for Pakistani sense of humour, however we opposed Soviet invasion in Afg in UN, so much for being in Soviet camp.

Sure, we can overlook all the military cooperation and ideological alignment over the years as just 'coincidence'. Aren't the Indians always bragging about Soviet help in 1971?

US and China friendship was pretty close if not deeper than oceans, higher than mountains during cold war.

The phrase "Only Nixon could go to China" summarizes the Sino-American relationship better than anything else. The American view has always been that the CCP is a threat; the only debate within America was how to undermine the CCP, whether through containment or engagement.
 
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India's rise is NOT, repeat NOT, due to its pandering to the West(US) through liberalization, but due to the presence of its educated middle class connect, its investment in science, technology & education and most of all a domestic-driven economy that has kept it rising.

This is the "Incredible Indian" delusion that holds sway in India, but it does not mesh with reality. India's rise is fully coincident with the rise of exports as % of GDP -- from around 7% in 1990 to almost 23% in 2009. (So much for the domestic-driven furphy). Iran also hold said qualities, far better than India, yet it suffers. The fact is that, without Western support, India's economic 'miracle' would have been stillborn.

The US does not have the India chip to counter China, it has played the Myanmar one and it also had the Indonesian one too. The unfortunate thing is the only visible part through this Pakistani analysis is India (being the 100 pound gorilla in the room), while US has a host of cards to play.

Let's discuss that when the US grants special exemptions to these countries and sponsors their membership in completely unrelated forums. The fact is that the US understands the regional dynamics extremely well, including the real Indian agenda.

TBH, Pakistan is not even seen as a threat, it is more like a monkey in the wrench, a fly in the ointment if you will.

Hit a nerve, did I?
 
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Developereo:

Now that you are up, may I ask just who is the intended audience of your title post, and what do you hope to convince that audience of?

(We can get to the questions in your concluding paragraph later.)
 
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Developereo:

Now that you are up, may I ask just who is the intended audience of your title post, and what do you hope to convince that audience of?

(We can get to the questions in your concluding paragraph later.)

Thanks.

My intended audience was actually Pakistanis and focus on the final paragraph.

Unfortunately, I seem to have hit a nerve across the border. Oh well...
 
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Thanks.

My intended audience was actually Pakistanis and focus on the final paragraph.

Unfortunately, I seem to have hit a nerve across the border. Oh well...

I thought so too about the intended audience; now I am more interested than ever in your thoughts that would answer the questions in the final paragraph.

Waiting for more .......

(Ignore the distractions please.)
 
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Indian delusions notwithstanding, India is in no position to launch unilateral strikes without incurring unacceptable payback.



While improving the economy is definitely a worthy goal in itself, it is incorrect to presume that 'corporations run America'. American oil companies can make a killing in Iran, yet their interests remain subservient to the administration's agenda. Nobody in their right mind believes that Iran poses any kind of threat to America itself.



When exposed to reality, Indian tantrums have become the norm on Def.pk. Now they just provide amusement.

Some people find it convenient to ignore explicit policy statements by seniormost American officials and think tanks, as well as patterns of behavior, preferring instead to live in a self-delusional bubble. Reality, however, is not hostage to such denial.



Sure, we can overlook all the military cooperation and ideological alignment over the years as just 'coincidence'. Aren't the Indians always bragging about Soviet help in 1971?



The phrase "Only Nixon could go to China" summarizes the Sino-American relationship better than anything else. The American view has always been that the CCP is a threat; the only debate within America was how to undermine the CCP, whether through containment or engagement.


LOL are you for real? First you say NAM was a joke, then when I pointed out that India being true to her sovereign foreign policy opposed Soviet invasion to afg, you as usual shifted the goal post and raised a straw man of supposed ideological and military cooperation. I wonder what will your excuse be when I point out the obvious - India bought hardware from European countries as well and it has been a democracy as opposed to communism in ussr.


I don't know what's up with you and Chinese, but CCP never was a threat nor a friend of USA before 2000, and in case you are unaware of the fact, Nixon was president during cold era, he and kissinger personified cold era.
 
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