What's behind attack on Afghan Parliament?

[pakdefender]

It will be very interesting who the Afghan govt blames. The whole world knows Pakistanis are the terrorist sponsors.

lol ... indian mentality, blaming is all that is needed here and not establish facts and work towards solutions

 

[GURU DUTT]

nothings gonna come owt of any investigations atleast for many in pakistan who have already made up there mind (speciall Pakistani media and internet fanboys ) that its a RAW conspiracy

 

[pakdefender]

Iran also sees Pakistan as rival , they don't want good relations between Afghanistan and Pakistan
If Afghanistan chooses Gwadar over Chabahar , that is a kick in the nads for both india and iran
All leads must be taken into account here

Pakistan should directly collaborate with Afghan authorities to establish facts

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

I agree. Lets see, what the investigation reveals.

Depends on whether the investigation is credible and independent, or just another vehicle to blame Pakistan through concocted allegations and evidence as was done during Karzais time and as showcased in the BBC Fake-umentary called 'Secret Pakistan'.

 

[Nicky G]

You will have a litmus test on Taliban and tell weather they were real or not.

Well we can hardly rely on your claims can we?

The Iranians are cooperating with and supporting the Afghan Taliban, despite the fact that the two sides almost went to war over the Herat incident where the Taliban massacred Iranian diplomats, so Indian support to the Taliban (both Afghan and TTP) to undermine Pak-Afghan rapprochement is a ccredible scenario.
Iran's Alleged Ties to the Taliban - Tehran Bureau | FRONTLINE | PBS

Iran Backs Taliban With Cash and Arms - WSJ

Merely a remote possibility, not backed by any indication let alone proof. On the other hand, we have direct admission from the echelon of your establishment of Pak cultivating Taliban to teach Karzai a lesson.

ISI cultivated Taliban to counter Indian action against Pakistan: Musharraf - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

 

[Spectre]

As I told the other guy, your conspiracy theories such as false-flags are fun to laugh at, no one takes them seriously.

Taliban are Pak assets. Even your Musharraf admits to that:

ISI cultivated Taliban to counter Indian action against Pakistan: Musharraf - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

Your entire thread is without any source or proof, a definition of rant and propaganda.

I hear its against forum policy, but RAW threads are comic norms at PDF, so carry on.



We can only speculate, what else is this thread?

Makes little sense that India would use established Pak assets (Taliban) as Musharraf admits to target Indian constructed infrastructure.

Something will come out, who knows what's real?

Well Said.

Simply said Pakistan patronized Taliban when it suited them but they forgot you can't control terrorists.

Now that Taliban is acting against their interests it's much easier to lay the whole mess on India instead of introspecting and correcting their mistakes.

I wonder when will Pakistan govt come to its senses and stop breeding snakes in its backyard. It won't be long before likes of LeT which have Pakistani patronage turn into TTP and Afgan Taliban and attack Pakistan instead of India.

But then ofcourse that will be a RAW conspiracy again.

 

[Zhukov]

Safron Chaddi logic.

ISI attack afghanistan: Hurray, exactly, I was saying it before, Destroy Pakistan, Isolate Pakistan

Raw attacked Afghanistan: Conspiracy theory

 

[ArsalanKhan21]

Indians are repeating their drama of attacking their own Parliament building and blaming Pakistan. Now the Afghan parliament building is under attack by RAW agents and they are blaming Pakistan.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Well we can hardly rely on your claims can we?



Merely a remote possibility, not backed by any indication let alone proof. On the other hand, we have direct admission from the echelon of your establishment of Pak cultivating Taliban to teach Karzai a lesson.

ISI cultivated Taliban to counter Indian action against Pakistan: Musharraf - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

Karzai was exposed sheltering terrorist groups operating in Balochistan in leaked US Embassy cables, which validated Pakistan's publicly voiced concerns to Afghan and US governments about Afghanistan sheltering terrorists attacking Pakistan in the years after the US invasion of Afghanistan. Pakistani concerns were always derided and dismissed publicly by Afghanistan and even the US. So Musharrafs statement that he tried to 'undermine Karzais government' as a response to Karzais support for terrorism and US indifference (despite knowing all along what was happening, as shown by their own leaked cables), was justified.
US embassy cables: Karzai admits to sheltering Baloch nationalists | World news | The Guardian

 

[Black Mamba1]

As we all know about today's sad and tragic incident in Kabul I just wanted to discuss the possibilities of the key beneficiary of this assault.

Indian open resistance to ISI-NDS Intel deal is well known ( About CPEC they say it passes through disputed territory so we oppose it but this was between two countries that shares 1700 long border why oppose? Hate or some hidden complexes?) and this brazen attack in down town kabul will further strain Pakistan- Afghanistan ties and the only beneficiary will be India to some extent at least they would be able to ask their paid dogs in Afghan top circles to raise their barking and will only delay a peaceful solution to Afghanistan problems and will also effects Pakistani attempts to bring the parties on table for a meaningful dialogue.

I know some brain dead intellectual here may say Taliban accepted it but it wont change the reality that India is the biggest beneficiary of this attack and Taliban won't mind even owning something they didn't do as it will improve their image (as per their thinking) among their lower ranks and files and will improve their recruiting base.

To me it was done by Raw getting a few paid mercenaries is no big deal . Paisa phenk Tmasha dekh and shupa power India has plenty money to poke her nose in others affairs and dirty minded people like Doval who is on record to have admitted in a leaked video of sponsoring terror in Pakistan.

Any logical rebuttal or appreciation is welcome .

What benefits Pakistan got due to Mumbai Attack? What benefit Pakistan got hiding OBL? It is not benefit for Pakistan as a state. The beneficiaries are the stake holders of states within the formal Pakistan state.
Who is protecting Lakvi/Daud in Pakistan and with this protection what benefit Pakistan as a state is getting? Answer is again same. It is the state within the state ( which is eventually getting more powerful than the state) which is protecting them.
If you analyse what benefit Pakistan as a state is getting from these awkward activities, you will find an erratic result. You have to analyse the objectives and benefits of the informal states ( Powerful interest groups which have interest not aligned or even opposite to your countries interest) against these activities. You will find a logical trend of various incidents like Mumbai attack, Kargil fiasco, Kashmir insurgency patronage, OBL hiding, Hakkani Patronage, Karachi/Bacuch insurgency etc.
If you analyse following above logic you can explain all the above apparently not so related events establish a relation & trend among them. Otherwise you have to bring discrete explanation based of extremely erratic logic for each individual event happened to going to happen-

a. Mumbai Attack : Insider Job
b. Patronage of Kashmir Insurgency : Internal freedom fighting
c. OBL Hiding : American propaganda
d. Hakkani Patronage : Stopped doing that
e. Karachi /Baluchistan issues : RAW
f. Lakvi Release : No proof
g. Laskar : Social service provider
and so on------

Its your choice how you want to proceed. You can invent such far fetched irrational reasoning for each such incident or accept the root cause and address it for the sake of peace and prosperity of your nation--again your choice.

 

[tsinga]

I see that my thread was removed- "ISI sponsored attack on Afghan Parliament"

Why is this thread still present?

@Emmie @WebMaster @Horus @Irfan Baloch

 

[GURU DUTT]

Well Said.

Simply said Pakistan patronized Taliban when it suited them but they forgot you can't control terrorists.

Now that Taliban is acting against their interests it's much easier to lay the whole mess on India instead of introspecting and correcting their mistakes.

I wonder when will Pakistan govt come to its senses and stop breeding snakes in its backyard. It won't be long before likes of LeT which have Pakistani patronage turn into TTP and Afgan Taliban and attack Pakistan instead of India.

But then ofcourse that will be a RAW conspiracy again.

thing is nomatter how much they bleed internalli deu to there own "asteen ke saanp" they (pakistani establishment) will never abandon there so called "good taliban"and we allsaw it when PA sent its C130 to evacuate starnded talibunnies from bagram and kandhar air bases when USA/NATO was carpet bombing taliban govt in aftermath of 9/11 attacks

1.taliban is the biggest and onli achievment of PA since its birth and they will/cant abondon there baby whome they lovinglli call (strategick assets )

2.Taliban inthe mean time has become so strong in all pakhtoon majority areas of Af-PAF that if Pakistani establishment does what USA/NATO wants it to do its gonna be a vartual hell if they start retaliating against there eater while masters

 

[me_itsme]

lol ... indian mentality, blaming is all that is needed here and not establish facts and work towards solutions

Pakistan is incapable of establishing facts and working towards any solution for peace. This has been happening from the time Pakistan was created. And Pakistan is in dire straits only cause of superior intellectual Pakistani mentality.

 

[Nicky G]

Karzai was exposed sheltering terrorist groups operating in Balochistan in leaked US Embassy cables, which validated Pakistan's publicly voiced concerns to Afghan and US governments about Afghanistan sheltering terrorists attacking Pakistan in the years after the US invasion of Afghanistan. Pakistani concerns were always derided and dismissed publicly by Afghanistan and even the US. So Musharrafs statement that he tried to 'undermine Karzais government' as a response to Karzais support for terrorism and US indifference (despite knowing all along what was happening, as shown by their own leaked cables), was justified.
US embassy cables: Karzai admits to sheltering Baloch nationalists | World news | The Guardian

This is not a question of what you guys consider to be justified or not, its about establishing who has used Taliban - the group which has claimed responsibility for these attacks - that points to just one country given current evidence.

 

[Spectre]

As we all know about today's sad and tragic incident in Kabul I just wanted to discuss the possibilities of the key beneficiary of this assault.

Indian open resistance to ISI-NDS Intel deal is well known ( About CPEC they say it passes through disputed territory so we oppose it but this was between two countries that shares 1700 long border why oppose? Hate or some hidden complexes?) and this brazen attack in down town kabul will further strain Pakistan- Afghanistan ties and the only beneficiary will be India to some extent at least they would be able to ask their paid dogs in Afghan top circles to raise their barking and will only delay a peaceful solution to Afghanistan problems and will also effects Pakistani attempts to bring the parties on table for a meaningful dialogue.

I know some brain dead intellectual here may say Taliban accepted it but it wont change the reality that India is the biggest beneficiary of this attack and Taliban won't mind even owning something they didn't do as it will improve their image (as per their thinking) among their lower ranks and files and will improve their recruiting base.

To me it was done by Raw getting a few paid mercenaries is no big deal . Paisa phenk Tmasha dekh and shupa power India has plenty money to poke her nose in others affairs and dirty minded people like Doval who is on record to have admitted in a leaked video of sponsoring terror in Pakistan.

Any logical rebuttal or appreciation is welcome .

I will attempt to rebut logically and in return would appreciate a similar reply

Your whole posts rests on simple premise that India had most to gain from these attacks and ergo India did it. Right?

1. India has more to loose: India has invested billions in Afganistan. To be exact 10.2 Billion dollars till 2012 and I am sure figure is much higher now. 10 Billion USD ++ are not pennies. Major projects include 6MTPA Steel Plant, 800 MW Power Plant, Transmission Lines, Highways, Hospitals, Schools. Further India is developing chabahar port in Iran which would have major benefit to Afganistan for trade and exports.

These false flag attacks are risky, if even a single terrorists survives and divulges India was behind this, It would be bye bye for India.

Now why would India jeopardize all its invesment by attacking Afganistan through mercenaries. If the Indian role comes out it would result in immediate backlash against India and loss of all the money, manpower and time invested. This would an extremely stupid move by India.

2. Taliban is out of Control: It is well documented that Taliban had Pakistani patronage until they turned against Pak and its allies. I am not blaming Pakistan. The same things happens to almost all the proxies. LTTE turned against India too.

The thing you have realize is terrorists are unpredictable and uncontrollable. Is it so much of a stretch to realize that some Taliban commander conducted this operation on its own?

This attack was crude and poorly planned and modus operandi matches that of uncoordinated terrorists not of professional intelligence agencies. Neither ISI nor RAW is to blame, its just some terrorists spreading terror.

Now you may ask cynically why would India invest so much in Afganistan its not out of the goodness of their Hindu hearts. Surely its a conspiracy aganist Pakistan. No Sir! India needs all the friends it can get. An unstable Afganistan is a haven for terrorists who would one day turn their eyes towards India and Kashmir specifically.

India can't do anything much about terrorists in Pakistan but it can encourage and support Afanistan materially against its fight with Taliban. Lest you forget India is a victim too if you remember taliban attack on Indian embassy