What twin engine Jet Fighter Suits PAF Doctrine?

[帅的一匹]

J-10s have shown poor performance over the year . . . With Crash happening oftenly . . . This Questions the Reliability of Platform . . . Secondly J-10 B offers only 750 hrs life . . . Even Thunder offers way more than that . . .
If Pakistan wants anything from China or if China can give anything valuable to Pakistan . . . Its none other Than Sukhois . . . But that isn't happening since China has not taken Permission from Russia to Export it . . . Nor Russia will let China Block his own Sales rather will Prefer a Direct Sukhois deal with Pakistan.
Russia is a country whose Economy Greatly depends upon Defense Equipment and Hardware Sales . . . Russia won't let China export J series sukhois . . .
Secondly Another Chinese member mentioned that Russia is dependent on China . . . I won't agree with this fact . . . Russia is only interested in Money . . . And over the years and specially in the start of This year . . . Chinese Economy has been seen in a great trouble . . .

You shall show your true color of flag. China economy in trouble, are you sure? I've been enough of you.

J-10s have shown poor performance over the year . . . With Crash happening oftenly . . . This Questions the Reliability of Platform . . . Secondly J-10 B offers only 750 hrs life . . . Even Thunder offers way more than that . . .
If Pakistan wants anything from China or if China can give anything valuable to Pakistan . . . Its none other Than Sukhois . . . But that isn't happening since China has not taken Permission from Russia to Export it . . . Nor Russia will let China Block his own Sales rather will Prefer a Direct Sukhois deal with Pakistan.
Russia is a country whose Economy Greatly depends upon Defense Equipment and Hardware Sales . . . Russia won't let China export J series sukhois . . .
Secondly Another Chinese member mentioned that Russia is dependent on China . . . I won't agree with this fact . . . Russia is only interested in Money . . . And over the years and specially in the start of This year . . . Chinese Economy has been seen in a great trouble . . .

I will report you as falseflagger. Without China's 16 billions USD to Russian for gas advance payment, they are now living in desperation.i don't wanna spend time to talk to you anymore cause you know nothing. j10 is very good platform, only few crashes can't prove anything. It depends on the exercise tenacity of PLAAF.

 

[batmannow]

J-10s have shown poor performance over the year . . . With Crash happening oftenly . . . This Questions the Reliability of Platform . . . Secondly J-10 B offers only 750 hrs life . . . Even Thunder offers way more than that . . .
If Pakistan wants anything from China or if China can give anything valuable to Pakistan . . . Its none other Than Sukhois . . . But that isn't happening since China has not taken Permission from Russia to Export it . . . Nor Russia will let China Block his own Sales rather will Prefer a Direct Sukhois deal with Pakistan.
Russia is a country whose Economy Greatly depends upon Defense Equipment and Hardware Sales . . . Russia won't let China export J series sukhois . . .
Secondly Another Chinese member mentioned that Russia is dependent on China . . . I won't agree with this fact . . . Russia is only interested in Money . . . And over the years and specially in the start of This year . . . Chinese Economy has been seen in a great trouble . . .

Russia won't , China won't , Pakistan wont .....?lolzzz
Wonts wonts & wonts ?

 

[asad71]

Hi

Mastan Saab. I just meant to say everything for Prayers alone that Prayer time is never the wasted one however how much the Muslim is Idiot, it's all depend how Muslim the person is and

Pardon me Mods here for going off topic but Prayer is a must concern so tried to highlight.

Thanks

Prayers are not designed to hamper one's activities. Missed prayer can be made up later. Aurangzeb Alamgir used to pray sitting on horseback during battles. Muslims have won thousands of battles; but lost few but never for attending to prayers or for fasting.

I think PAF should consider to join Turkish TFX Program . . . Experience of both Pakistan and Turkiye can be utilized to for a decent Aircraft . . . That is as much independent from west and east as it can . . .

Truth be told. Russian and Chinese aircraft require huge and cumbersome maintenance. Spares are also an issue because these are not readily available in quality from the original sources. A rough estimate would put serviceability at 50% of the inventory. In PAF, BAF and, to a much larger degree in IAF, these have killed a lot of pilots. On the other-hand US/Western sources come with heavy conditionals. Therefore Pakistan would do well to JV with Turkey, Indonesia and such true friends to become independent in aircraft production.

 

[rockstar08]

Damn it PAF .. but something guys hahahah people are getting desperate
we know that you are all ready to protect Pakistani Skies

If PAF is looking to counter India Rafale which will be 36 in number , than how much F-16's we need ?
can we say F-16 block 52 or V can beat the Rafale ?
?

 

[mustafa erkan]

Therefore Pakistan would do well to JV with Turkey

accept Qatar and SA no country can do JV with Turkey.It is very risky .We have no reference.They will wait until program will become feasible for them.
But ı am sure Turkey has partners in this programme from the beginning because there is no country in the world planing to built 5th generation fighter by itself accept china and america(f-22)

 

[New World]

Damn it PAF .. but something guys hahahah people are getting desperate
we know that you are all ready to protect Pakistani Skies

If PAF is looking to counter India Rafale which will be 36 in number , than how much F-16's we need ?
can we say F-16 block 52 or V can beat the Rafale ?
?

what the fcking hell is that.. in 80's paf bought f-16 to counter iaf's mig-29, than a decade later in early 2000 paf bought f-16 to counter iaf's su-30mki, and now again paf is considering to buy f-16 to counter iaf's rafale..
and total f-16 paf get in 3 decade is just 78 against iaf's 300+36..

 

[MastanKhan]

Prayers are not designed to hamper one's activities. Missed prayer can be made up later. Aurangzeb Alamgir used to pray sitting on horseback during battles. Muslims have won thousands of battles; but lost few but never for attending to prayers or for fasting.



Truth be told. Russian and Chinese aircraft require huge and cumbersome maintenance. Spares are also an issue because these are not readily available in quality from the original sources. A rough estimate would put serviceability at 50% of the inventory. In PAF, BAF and, to a much larger degree in IAF, these have killed a lot of pilots. On the other-hand US/Western sources come with heavy conditionals. Therefore Pakistan would do well to JV with Turkey, Indonesia and such true friends to become independent in aircraft production.

Hi,

Servicibility for pakistan is not an issue---. The F7PG's that we got---we doubled the engine life and doubled the serviceability---above 70% and close to 80% on a given day---the same thing will happen with any other equipment that we procure---be it the chinese or indian---.

The spare parts from china has never been an issue---about russia---I do not know.

 

[Signalian]

what the fcking hell is that.. in 80's paf bought f-16 to counter iaf's mig-29, than a decade later in early 2000 paf bought f-16 to counter iaf's su-30mki, and now again paf is considering to buy f-16 to counter iaf's rafale..
and total f-16 paf get in 3 decade is just 78 against iaf's 300+36..

PAF also inducted 66 JF-17 and 50+ F-7 PG in the last decade or more. Also mirage III were acquired to be used as spare parts.
India is a huge country compared to Pakistan and maintains its AF to counter other threats too. PAF cannot compete on 1 to 1 basis.

If PAF is looking to counter India Rafale which will be 36 in number , than how much F-16's we need ?
can we say F-16 block 52 or V can beat the Rafale ?
?

Original plan was to get 111 F16's. Then it changed to 107 with 75 F-16 block 52+ and now its at 78 and may remain as such. Rafale is technologically superior to F-16.
J-31 is a choice PAF has to counter Rafale or SU30.

 

[New World]

PAF also inducted 66 JF-17 and 50+ F-7 PG in the last decade or more. Also mirage III were acquired to be used as spare parts.
India is a huge country compared to Pakistan and maintains its AF to counter other threats too. PAF cannot compete on 1 to 1 basis.

and in that time iaf has inducted 242 Su-30mki, 70 mig-29, 50 m2k, 145 janguars and 150 mig-21 upgraded to bison..

i now Pakistan is not that big enough but you should see at the comparison rate of paf vs iaf in 80's to that of 2015....

 

[Super Falcon]

and in that time iaf has inducted 242 Su-30mki, 70 mig-29, 50 m2k, 145 janguars and 150 mig-21 upgraded to bison..

i now Pakistan is not that big enough but you should see at the comparison rate of paf vs iaf in 80's to that of 2015....

Fully agree with you atleast if we cant match in number we better that in technology which we did in 80s but time has changed neither we have technological edge nor numbers edge our PAF is at historical weak point no body focusing on it PAF guys stupid will say all iz well but it is not the case

 

[asia2000]

J-10s have shown poor performance over the year . . . With Crash happening oftenly . . . This Questions the Reliability of Platform . . . Secondly J-10 B offers only 750 hrs life . . . Even Thunder offers way more than that . .

Considering the number of J10 (250 - 400) and years (since 2002) in service, the accident rate (5 accidents?) does not seem too high. Also, where did you get the 750 hours life number? NATO pilot training hours is more than 200 hours per year. Let's assume PLAAF (being a developing country) annual training hours is half of that and at 100 hours, a J-10 can last only 7 years if what you said is true.

 

[batmannow]

Fully agree with you atleast if we cant match in number we better that in technology which we did in 80s but time has changed neither we have technological edge nor numbers edge our PAF is at historical weak point no body focusing on it PAF guys stupid will say all iz well but it is not the case

or we can lay down a emergency plan , to let PAF be in shape , for any kind of boxing match ?
PAF needs , deep strike capability & also air superiority jets at the same time , the best we can do is to get a new twin engine platform inducted as early as possible with some kind of TOT?
at least , 40 Su-35S , J-16S or maybe J-20S it will boost our position in short term , then we should check projects like J-31 & should invest in them ?
Till 2020 we can stay up in the air with our existing fleet of F-16S & JFT-17s plus 40 to 60 su-35s /j-16s/j-20s if inducted .
We won't become superior to IAF but , then it will be a close call for them to even think about any air mission against pakistan.

 

[Signalian]

and in that time iaf has inducted 242 Su-30mki, 70 mig-29, 50 m2k, 145 janguars and 150 mig-21 upgraded to bison..

i now Pakistan is not that big enough but you should see at the comparison rate of paf vs iaf in 80's to that of 2015....

Don't be surprised, it was inevitable and bound to happen.

F16 was a stroke of luck during afghan war. Otherwise it would be Chinese planes all the way.

 

[Super Falcon]

Don't be surprised, it was inevitable and bound to happen.

F16 was a stroke of luck during afghan war. Otherwise it would be Chinese planes all the way.

We must use 3 different type of jets not all same single engine multirole jets who will make whole in capability of PAF

and with our limited sam we are at IAF mercy

 

[New World]

Don't be surprised, it was inevitable and bound to happen.

F16 was a stroke of luck during afghan war. Otherwise it would be Chinese planes all the way.

paf has did blunders and it was not bound to happen..
Mirage 2000 and jaguar was on plate in 80's and in 90's but they choose 2-3 decades old mirage III/V..
in early 2000 rafale was on plate with all means but they choose f-16 and that is of only 18..