What the Arab world owes Israel

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

again prove to me Israel or US or SA can attack Iran like Iran is doing in Yemen and Israel its all about the power you have UAE with you when you started the war with Yemen and now SA is saying that UAE is helping Iran because now it is with Iran and not SA that the power that im talking about.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1169271144844865542

You did not address 99.99% of the factual facts and points that I made.

What is Iran doing against Israel? 40 years have gone by and the answer is nothing. How many times do you need to be told that Hezbollah are Arabs and that Arabs are fighting against Israel (whenever there is hostility between Palestine, Lebanon and Syria) and nobody else. Like always was the case in the past 70 years. Ideological (can sustain themselves ideologically as well in fact it were Lebanese Shia Arabs that invented the Wilayat al-Faqih and the current Iranian system), financial (not so much anymore as Hezbollah can sustain themselves) and political (Iranian support or no, as long as people of Southern Lebanon support Hezbollah and consider Israel a threat, they will exist with or without Iran).

Iran is doing nothing in Yemen. Yemen is not some tiny country. It has a population of 30 million (highest fertility rate in the region so a booming population) and is almost as big as Iraq and Syria combined. They had a large army (Yemen was a military state under Ali Abdullah Saleh for almost 40 years) and they had tons of USSR era weapons. Everyone of their ballistic missiles are old Soviet era crap. Hence close to zero harm made by them in KSA.

Drones university students can make. Being done in KSA for instance. ISIS, Taliban, Boko Haram etc. have their own drones.

Narco cartels in Latin America are even building submarines that can travel from Colombia to the US in the middle of the jungle.

Why should KSA attack Iran? Why can Iran not attack a single Arab country? KSA is the world's 18th largest economy in the world (out of almost 200 sovereign countries) and booming on almost every front. Such a war would destroy both countries and there would be no winners. KSA has no interests in Iran. The Arab world is 10-15 times larger than Iran, and 20-25 times richer in terms of natural resources and minerals and 8 times more populous and the differences will just increase.

KSA alone is the 3rd richest country in the world (after USA, 4 times larger country than KSA, and Russia, 6.5 times larger country) in terms of natural and mineral resources.

https://247wallst.com/special-report/2012/04/18/the-worlds-most-resource-rich-countries/3/

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/countries-with-the-most-natural-resources.html

Arabs, especially those next door (KSA, Iraq, GCC) have affinity to the Iranian Arabs and that is what we know most about Iran. Arabs west of Iraq/KSA/GCC hardly know anything about Iran and many think it is one of the many Arab countries. This is the reality.

BTW, as for a nobody (Twitter user) as a source (some Brasco Aad - sounds Slavic and an Al-Assad fanboy) this has to be a joke, LOL.

 

[Philip the Arab]

Not too weak. KSA alone has more firepower than all of Iran. GCC combined and there is no context. Not even talking about the other 20 + Arab countries. Egypt alone could deal with Iran.

It is simply because an Arab-Iran war would be mutually destructible and unlike Iran, which has been an impoverished pariah state for 40 years, the GCC is the exact opposite. A booming region on every front and an economy larger than Russia (top 10 in the world).

That and there being 20+ Arab countries with 20+ different foreign policies. The Shia Arab element too.

Iran cannot do anything but use Arab proxies. Without them they are nothing in the Arab world. Zero influence.

In a fantasy world, if all 20+ Arab countries ganged up tomorrow against Iran, there would be no Iran any longer. 3+ million Iranian Arab foot soldiers as well.

Remember, Iraq (1 Arab country alone) gave Iran a spanking in the 1980's despite being 4 times smaller and having a 2.5 times smaller population (back then). With Soviet era (crap) weapons while Iran was the most heavily armed country in the region (Western tech).

He's either a false flagger or a Berber who hates Arabs... No reason in talking to him.

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

He's either a false flagger or a Berber who hates Arabs... No reason in talking to him.

He is an old PDF user (British Jew of Moroccan Jewish Arab ancestry) if I recall. Old user. Good guy by large. He is not anti-Arab.

Berbers are cousins of Arabs and there are no pure Arabs or pure Berbers in Morocco since everyone has mixed with each other after so many years.

 

[Philip the Arab]

He is an old PDF user (British Jew of Moroccan Jewish Arab ancestry) if I recall. Old user. Good guy by large. He is not anti-Arab.

Berbers are cousins of Arabs and there are no pure Arabs or pure Berbers in Morocco since everyone has mixed with each other after so many years.

You do agree that there are some that despise Arabs though?

 

[skyshadow]

You did not address 99.99% of the factual facts and points that I made.

What is Iran doing against Israel? 40 years have gone by and the answer is nothing. How many times do you need to be told that Hezbollah are Arabs and that Arabs are fighting against Israel (whenever there is hostility between Palestine, Lebanon and Syria) and nobody else. Like always was the case in the past 70 years. Ideological (can sustain themselves ideologically as well in fact it were Lebanese Shia Arabs that invented the Wilayat al-Faqih and the current Iranian system), financial (not so much anymore as Hezbollah can sustain themselves) and political (Iranian support or no, as long as people of Southern Lebanon support Hezbollah and consider Israel a threat, they will exist with or without Iran).

Iran is doing nothing in Yemen. Yemen is not some tiny country. It has a population of 30 million (highest fertility rate in the region so a booming population) and is almost as big as Iraq and Syria combined. They had a large army (Yemen was a military state under Ali Abdullah Saleh for almost 40 years) and they had tons of USSR era weapons. Everyone of their ballistic missiles are old Soviet era crap. Hence close to zero harm made by them in KSA.

Drones university students can make. Being done in KSA for instance. ISIS, Taliban, Boko Haram etc. have their own drones.

Narco cartels in Latin America are even building submarines that can travel from Colombia to the US in the middle of the jungle.

Why should KSA attack Iran? Why can Iran not attack a single Arab country? KSA is the world's 18th largest economy in the world (out of almost 200 sovereign countries) and booming on almost every front. Such a war would destroy both countries and there would be no winners. KSA has no interests in Iran. The Arab world is 10-15 times larger than Iran, and 20-25 times richer in terms of natural resources and minerals and 8 times more populous.

KSA alone is the 3rd richest country in the world (after USA, 4 times larger country than KSA, and Russia, 6.5 times larger country).

Arabs, especially those next door (KSA, Iraq, GCC) have affinity to the Iranian Arabs and that is what we know most about Iran. Arabs west of Iraq/KSA/GCC hardly know anything about Iran and many think it is one of the many Arab countries. This is the reality.

BTW, as for a nobody (Twitter user) as a source (some Brasco Aad - sounds Slavic and an Al-Assad fanboy) this has to be a joke, LOL.

you are way off brother, i did not answer those as we see no Arab and Persians we never start a war in more then 200 years, why we start now? its all about having power and control we swear not to let another Iran-Iraq war catch us off guard and how do you think we can do this? by having more power and influence then US and Israel and SA combined, you see Arabs and Majos we do not, we see an empire a good one.

 

[Philip the Arab]

you are way off brother, i did not answer those as we see no Arab and Persians we never start a war in more then 200 years, why we start now? its all about having power and control we swear not to let another Iran-Iraq war catch us off guard and how do you think we can do this? by having more power and influence then US and Israel and SA combined, you see Arabs and Majos we do not, we see an empire a good one.

If Iran had stayed Sunni and had become Arabized we wouldn't have any conflict with each other.

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

you are way off brother, i did not answer those as we see no Arab and Persians we never start a war in more then 200 years, why we start now? its all about having power and control we swear not to let another Iran-Iraq war catch us off guard and how do you think we can do this? by having more power and influence then US and Israel and SA combined, you see Arabs and Majos we do not, we see an empire a good one.

You are deluded if you think that you have more "power and influence" than KSA let alone all 20+ Arab countries combined.

What empire are you talking about?

Not sure if you are joking or serious here, bro.

You do agree that there are some that despise Arabs though?

The tiny minority who do, tend to be children born in the West (France and Benelux) and who live outside of Morocco and Algeria. They are a very, very small minority. Besides if they took a DNA test, they would stop their insanity. That and read some history. Genetic and linguistic. Genetically Arabs and Berbers are cousins. Linguistically the languages belong to the same language family as well (Afro-Asiatic).

You have strange people everywhere. You have people in KSA and Jordan who dislike regions within their country, certain cities, clans, tribes etc. by default.

For instance you have Lebanese hating/looking down on Syrians whom they share everything in common with. it's not like the world lacks retarded people.

If Iran had stayed Sunni and had become Arabized we wouldn't have any conflict with each other.

Iranians are already Arabized on many fronts. Religion, language (Farsi has tons of Arabic words), culture, ethnicity (you will struggle to find a single Iranian today without partial Arab ancestry), names, surnames, whole Iranian cities were funded by Arabs and have Arab origins (names), the most holy and visited places in Iran contain graves of dead Arabs, millions of Arabs live in Iran etc.

Shia Islam originated in the Arab world too. It is not an "Iranian sect".

It was in fact Shia Arabs from modern-day Eastern province of KSA and Bahrain (Eastern Arabia), Southern Iraq and Southern Lebanon that turned Iran into majority Twelver Shia under the Safavids.

Arab Shia Ulama
After the conquest, Ismail began transforming the religious landscape of Iran by imposing Twelver Shiism on the populace. Since most of the population embraced Sunni Islam and since an educated version of Shiism was scarce in Iran at the time, Ismail imported a new Shia Ulama corps from traditional Shiite centers of the Arabic speaking lands, largely from Jabal Amil (of Southern Lebanon), Mount Lebanon, Syria, Eastern Arabia and Southern Iraq in order to create a state clergy.[38][39][40][41]Ismail offered them land and money in return for loyalty. These scholars taught the doctrine of Twelver Shiism and made it accessible to the population and energetically encouraged conversion to Shiism.[35][42][43][44] To emphasize how scarce Twelver Shiism was then to be found in Iran, a chronicler tells us that only one Shia text could be found in Ismail's capital Tabriz.[45] Thus it is questionable whether Ismail and his followers could have succeeded in forcing a whole people to adopt a new faith without the support of the Arab Shiite scholars.[37] The rulers of Safavid Persia also invited these foreign Shiite religious scholars to their court in order to provide legitimacy for their own rule over Persia.[46]

Abbas I of Persia, during his reign, also imported more Arab Shia Ulama to Iran, built religious institutions for them, including many Madrasahs (religious schools) and successfully persuaded them to participate in the government, which they had shunned in the past (following the Hidden imam doctrine).[47]​

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safavid_conversion_of_Iran_to_Shia_Islam

BTW, both Khomeini and Khamenei proudly and openly claimed/claim Arab ancestry. Many prominent Iranian Arabs have been part of the Mullah regime since 1979.

Even pre-1979 that was also the case. The most famous foreign minister of the Shah era (last one) was an Iranian Arab. The Shah had cordial ties with most Arab countries. Even helped Oman when communists tried to take over the country (Dhofar rebellion).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhofar_Rebellion

Almost 1000 Iranian soldiers died in that conflict in Oman.

 

[Philip the Arab]

You are deluded if you think that you have more "power and influence" than KSA let alone all 20+ Arab countries combined.

What empire are you talking about?

Not sure if you are joking or serious here, bro.



The tiny minority who do, tend to be children born in the West (France and Benelux) and who live outside of Morocco and Algeria. They are a very, very small minority. Besides if they took a DNA test, they would stop their insanity. That and read some history. Genetic and linguistic. Genetically Arabs and Berbers are cousins. Linguistically the languages belong to the same language family as well (Afro-Asiatic).

You have strange people everywhere. You have people in KSA and Jordan who dislike regions within their country, certain cities, clans, tribes etc. by default.

For instance you have Lebanese hating/looking down on Syrians whom they share everything in common with. it's not like the world lacks retarded people.



Iranians are already Arabized on many fronts. Religion, language (Farsi has tons of Arabic words), culture, ethnicity (you will struggle to find a single Iranian today without partial Arab ancestry), names, surnames etc.

Shia Islam originated in the Arab world too. It is not an "Iranian sect".

It was in fact Shia Arabs from modern-day Eastern province of KSA and Bahrain (Eastern Arabia), Southern Iraq and Southern Lebanon that turned Iran into majority Twelver Shia under the Safavids.

I know it is not an Iranian sect but they were turned into Shias as you said and today there is a huge sectarian conflict today that could have been prevented had Iran not became Shia. Nowadays Shia is identified more so with Iran than with the Eastern Peninsula Arabs by media because population wise they are the majority.

 

[skyshadow]

If Iran had stayed Sunni and had become Arabized we wouldn't have any conflict with each other.

sorry but that was not going to happen Persians has a pride which begun way before Arabs-Persian fight were a thing, so its in our blood to be separate from any other not just Arabs. these days we call our self Iranian not Arab or Persian or ... just saying.

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

I know it is not an Iranian sect but they were turned into Shias as you said and today there is a huge sectarian conflict today that could have been prevented had Iran not became Shia. Nowadays Shia is identified more so with Iran than with the Eastern Peninsula Arabs by media because population wise they are the majority.

Not sure about that. There is not really a "huge Sunni-Shia conflict" anywhere. The closest we came to anything remotely resembling that was the Iraqi civil war between 2006-2008.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sectarian_violence_in_Iraq_(2006–2008)

Almost none of the conflicts in the Muslim world today have a sectarian origin. It is tied to politics/power etc. Take Yemen for instance. Zaydi's are more similar to Sunni Muslims than they are to Shia Twelvers. Zero Sunni-Zaydi bloodshed in Yemen. Similarly in the GCC. No sectarian conflict. No sectarian conflict between Arab Muslims and Arab Christians whether Copts in Egypt or Christians in Sham other than the sporadic hate attack or some rare terrorist attack on a church (Egypt) committed by ISIS in Sinai.

The conflict with the Iranian Mullah regime is a political/power struggle conflict. People in power use sect as an excuse.

Aside from that the other conflicts in the region are about land (Palestine/Israel) or ethnicity (various separatist movements, Kurds being the most famous).

Has nothing to do with religion when Shia Twelver Kurds are killing Shia Twelver Iranian border guards.

sorry but that was not going to happen Persians has a pride which begun way before Arabs-Persian fight were a thing, so its in our blood to be separate from any other not just Arabs. these days we call our self Iranian not Arab or Persian or ... just saying.

Shia Islam comes from Arabs and was given to you by Arabs. You were majority Sunnis for 1000 years. Where was your "pride" back then? Your most holy and visited places in Iran contain the graves of Arabs. Arabs from modern-day KSA. In cities funded by Arabs/cities of Arabic origin. Such as Qom and Mashhad. Even the names of those cities say it all. Your leaders proudly proclaim Arab ancestry (openly). Your leaders are obsessed with events in the Arab world. Not sure if "distancing" is the right word here, lol, with all due respect.

@CamelGuy

 

[skyshadow]

You are deluded if you think that you have more "power and influence" than KSA let alone all 20+ Arab countries combined.

What empire are you talking about?

Not sure if you are joking or serious here, bro.



The tiny minority who do, tend to be children born in the West (France and Benelux) and who live outside of Morocco and Algeria. They are a very, very small minority. Besides if they took a DNA test, they would stop their insanity. That and read some history. Genetic and linguistic. Genetically Arabs and Berbers are cousins. Linguistically the languages belong to the same language family as well (Afro-Asiatic).

You have strange people everywhere. You have people in KSA and Jordan who dislike regions within their country, certain cities, clans, tribes etc. by default.

For instance you have Lebanese hating/looking down on Syrians whom they share everything in common with. it's not like the world lacks retarded people.



Iranians are already Arabized on many fronts. Religion, language (Farsi has tons of Arabic words), culture, ethnicity (you will struggle to find a single Iranian today without partial Arab ancestry), names, surnames, whole Iranian cities were funded by Arabs and have Arab origins (names), the most holy and visited places in Iran contain graves of dead Arabs, millions of Arabs live in Iran etc.

Shia Islam originated in the Arab world too. It is not an "Iranian sect".

It was in fact Shia Arabs from modern-day Eastern province of KSA and Bahrain (Eastern Arabia), Southern Iraq and Southern Lebanon that turned Iran into majority Twelver Shia under the Safavids.

Arab Shia Ulama
After the conquest, Ismail began transforming the religious landscape of Iran by imposing Twelver Shiism on the populace. Since most of the population embraced Sunni Islam and since an educated version of Shiism was scarce in Iran at the time, Ismail imported a new Shia Ulama corps from traditional Shiite centers of the Arabic speaking lands, largely from Jabal Amil (of Southern Lebanon), Mount Lebanon, Syria, Eastern Arabia and Southern Iraq in order to create a state clergy.[38][39][40][41]Ismail offered them land and money in return for loyalty. These scholars taught the doctrine of Twelver Shiism and made it accessible to the population and energetically encouraged conversion to Shiism.[35][42][43][44] To emphasize how scarce Twelver Shiism was then to be found in Iran, a chronicler tells us that only one Shia text could be found in Ismail's capital Tabriz.[45] Thus it is questionable whether Ismail and his followers could have succeeded in forcing a whole people to adopt a new faith without the support of the Arab Shiite scholars.[37] The rulers of Safavid Persia also invited these foreign Shiite religious scholars to their court in order to provide legitimacy for their own rule over Persia.[46]

Abbas I of Persia, during his reign, also imported more Arab Shia Ulama to Iran, built religious institutions for them, including many Madrasahs (religious schools) and successfully persuaded them to participate in the government, which they had shunned in the past (following the Hidden imam doctrine).[47]​

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safavid_conversion_of_Iran_to_Shia_Islam

BTW, both Khomeini and Khamenei proudly and openly claimed/claim Arab ancestry. Many prominent Iranian Arabs have been part of the Mullah regime since 1979.

Even pre-1979 that was also the case. The most famous foreign minister of the Shah era (last one) was an Iranian Arab. The Shah had cordial ties with most Arab countries. Even helped Oman when communists tried to take over the country (Dhofar rebellion).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhofar_Rebellion

Almost 1000 Iranian soldiers died in that conflict in Oman.

if i want to put it out there, im talking about a power which keeps you safe but keeps your enemy at war for long times until they change, that's the long game of course it not easy at all it took Iran 40 years to be at this station, Iran real obstacle is US and SA not even Israel can mach Iran let alone countries that are smaller then Iran be it Arab country or not, Egypt is no mach they cannot sustain a long war with Iran Fly long distances like US and SA to hit Iran and dose not have a missile program as powerful as Iran's, any other country is ether far away or to small to Attack Iran or too dependent on something so that Iran can take advantage of it, like UAE with its tourism economy. and im talking about a economic and military empire one that ME countries depend on Iran for their economy technology medicine and military hardwares.

Not sure about that. There is not really a "huge Sunni-Shia conflict" anywhere. The closest we came to anything remotely resembling that was the Iraqi civil war between 2006-2008.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sectarian_violence_in_Iraq_(2006–2008)

Almost none of the conflicts in the Muslim world today have a sectarian origin. It is tied to politics/power etc. Take Yemen for instance. Zaydi's are more similar to Sunni Muslims than they are to Shia Twelvers. Zero Sunni-Zaydi bloodshed in Yemen. Similarly in the GCC. No sectarian conflict. No sectarian conflict between Arab Muslims and Arab Christians whether Copts in Egypt or Christians in Sham other than the sporadic hate attack or some rare terrorist attack on a church (Egypt) committed by ISIS in Sinai.

The conflict with the Iranian Mullah regime is a political/power struggle conflict. People in power use sect as an excuse.

Aside from that the other conflicts in the region are about land (Palestine/Israel) or ethnicity (various separatist movements, Kurds being the most famous).

Has nothing to do with religion when Shia Twelver Kurds are killing Shia Twelver Iranian border guards.



Shia Islam comes from Arabs and was given to you by Arabs. You were majority Sunnis for 1000 years. Where was your "pride" back then? Your most holy and visited places in Iran contain the graves of Arabs. Arabs from modern-day KSA. In cities funded by Arabs/cities of Arabic origin. Such as Qom and Mashhad. Even the names of those cities say it all. Your leaders proudly proclaim Arab ancestry (openly). Your leaders are obsessed with events in the Arab world. Not sure if "distancing" is the right word here, lol, with all due respect.

@CamelGuy

here is the thing Islam did not changed Iranians of there pride we still hear words like Iran is an empire if its not an empire then its nothing, that was an old saying but after thousands of years its still in People's mind as an objective to achieve.

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

if i want to put it out there, im talking about a power which keeps you safe but keeps your enemy at war for long times until they change, that's the long game of course it not easy at all it took Iran 40 years to be at this station, Iran real obstacle is US and SA not even Israel can mach Iran let alone countries that are smaller then Iran be it Arab country or not, Egypt is no mach they cannot sustain a long war with Iran Fly long distances like US and SA to hit Iran and dose not have a missile program as powerful as Iran's, any other country is ether far away or to small to Attack Iran or too dependent on something so that Iran can take advantage of it, like UAE with its tourism economy. and im talking about a economic and military empire one that ME countries depend on Iran for their economy technology medicine and military hardwares.



here is the thing Islam did not changed Iranians of there pride we still hear words like Iran is an empire if its not an empire then its nothing, that was an old saying but after thousands of years its still in People's mind as an objective to achieve.

Your situation is much worse today than it was 40 years ago. Missiles are not going to change that. Missiles that many countries in the region have. Including all those that you have mentioned.

KSA can easily match and overshadow Iran. In terms of economy, size, political and religious clout, allies as well as military firepower. That is just 1 Arab country. If GCC/Arab was one country we could easily win a war against you. Egypt too is a stronger military power and 20+ million more people.

Anyway Iran will never attack a single Arab country (out of nowhere) as they know that this will make 20+ Arab countries, 500 million + Arabs with an economy and military power 10 times larger than Iran to gang up against you.

Which country, outside of Israel, have missiles with the reach of KSA and warheads of that size? That was 30 years ago. 30+ years later KSA has a very potent ballistic missile program. Much, much more superior air force and anti-ballistic missile defense systems.

LOL, that will never happen. Iran's economy is smaller than tiny UAE alone. As for military hardware? Which hardware? Ancient reverse-engineered (with outside help) military hardware? Medicine? Not sure if serious.

You forgot that Arabs are the ones that funded the by far largest empires in the region and most influential ones whose legacy lives on 1400 years later. Or that our Semitic ancestors funded the first empires in the region that later the first Persian empire copied.

BTW, Arabs are already an imperial power. Why do I say that? Well, just take a look at a world map and compare the size, population etc. of the Arab world. A living body of countries, peoples, civilization, language, culture, geography etc. Many people forget this. The current nation states in the Arab world are just that - nation states like any other in the world.





And the Muslim world is actually another living heritage courtesy of mostly Arabs.



My point is, that if you believe that you can rule any Arabs or dominate us on any field (combined Arabs, not 1 select small Arab country like say UAE, even though UAE are doing better than you economically) you are very, very, very deluded. Or if you think that only Iranians have an imperial past in the region.

The MENA is dominated by Arabs and our ancestors. Was for most of recorded history and will contuse to be so. History, demographics, geography, population (in the future as well as there will be even more Arabs), future economic size, military power, will dictate that.

We are looking towards Africa (a continent that Arabs have had and continue to have much civilizational influence in), South East Asia (same case), South Asia (same case) etc. Huge population centers much like the Arab world itself.

We as Arabs (I think I can speak for most) do not wish for any large-scale wars with our non-Arab neighbors (the few that exist) but if forced to and if united, you guys got zero chances to win a full-scale existential war. For instance nobody (in the region) can compete with the economic and military firepower of just KSA and Egypt combined. Two Arab neighbors that are allies and have been for decades.

 

[Omar Al-Deek]

Not too weak. KSA alone has more firepower than all of Iran. GCC combined and there is no context. Not even talking about the other 20 + Arab countries. Egypt alone could deal with Iran.

It is simply because an Arab-Iran war would be mutually destructible and unlike Iran, which has been an impoverished pariah state for 40 years, the GCC is the exact opposite. A booming region on every front and an economy larger than Russia (top 10 in the world).

That and there being 20+ Arab countries with 20+ different foreign policies. The Shia Arab element too.

Iran cannot do anything but use Arab proxies. Without them they are nothing in the Arab world. Zero influence.

In a fantasy world, if all 20+ Arab countries ganged up tomorrow against Iran, there would be no Iran any longer. 3+ million Iranian Arab foot soldiers as well.

Remember, Iraq (1 Arab country alone) gave Iran a spanking in the 1980's despite being 4 times smaller and having a 2.5 times smaller population (back then). With Soviet era (crap) weapons while Iran was the most heavily armed country in the region (Western tech).

Why the Saudi defeat in Yemen??????

Why Saudi didn't crush the Houthis?????????

I want the Houthis to be crushed and I am deeply saddened by the horrors done by the Houthis

 

[Saddam Hussein]

Only peshmerke could defeat the Houthis

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

Why the Saudi defeat in Yemen??????

Why Saudi didn't crush the Houthis?????????

I want the Houthis to be crushed and I am deeply saddened by the horrors done by the Houthis

What defeat?

The Yemeni government, KSA and the Arab coalition controls almost 90% of the territory of Yemen, all the oil and gas and almost every single port as well as the entire border region on both sides of the border. What remains is the densely populated and heavily mountainous northwest that is of no strategic importance for KSA. Sana'a is symbolic due to being the capital but even if it was liberated tomorrow morning, nothing would really change.

This is mostly a Yemeni civil war. Houthis like any other non-conventional force are using civilians (deliberately) as human shields, recruit children in the 1000's (documented by every source) and do not engage in open military battles.

Using that logic no conventional army has ever won a single war against non-conventional forces. The US lost in Vietnam, in Iraq, in Afghanistan etc. The Russians in Chechnya.

The only approach that would prevent such a "loss" would be to carpet bomb enemy strongholds using the same approach as Al-Assad is doing or Russia did in the second Chechnya war or what the international coalition against ISIS did in Mosul.

That is not going to happen as that would be 1) counterproductive, 2) would only lead to hatred as civilians are always vastly more targeted, 3) would turn KSA into a pariah state by the international community (there is already enough of crying, see the UN stopping the Hudaydah operation last year), 4) Yemenis, not even pro-Houthis are enemies, just misguided people, nor is this an existential war for the regime to go insane and do carpet bombing of Northwestern Yemen.

Al-Assad is fighting inside Syria ("his" own country) and an EXISTENTIAL war in order to survive and that of his Alawite allies who would be a deeply hated minority after what occurred in Syria. I mean Alawite clans allied to Al-Assad which is practically everyone.

Yemenis themselves will realize that there is no present or future living under incompetent cults like the Houthi's. No future for their children. Those empty slogans, brainwashing, khat addiction etc. can only last so long. That and spreading Mullah influence (totally foreign in Yemen) likewise.

Just like pro-ISIS elements in Iraq and Syria (initially) quickly realized with ISIS. Same thing is/has been happening with Houthis. The difference is that there is not a world alliance against Houthis as against ISIS and constant 24/7 negative propaganda against KSA and the Arab coalition. Almost as if Houthis were the good guys.

Lately Houthi propaganda of some prison being hit and pro-KSA fighters being killed (how convenient) when what was targeted was a Houthi stronghold that was under monitoring for weeks prior to the strike. That is a common theme. Houthi controlled media report something and the entire world believes in it without question.

Western media even made it appear like KSA is an enemy of the Southern Transitional Council while they have been fighting alongside each other for 4 years, lol. KSA prefers a united Yemen but has said repeatedly that the future of Yemen (politically) is in the hands of Yemenis. So if they want to return to a North and South divide, that is their decision. Theoretically, KSA would have an easier time "controlling" Yemen if divided. So, there are tons of ridiculous contradictions. As if KSA cares about Hadi deeply (a guy in his 70's) or the Southern Transitional Council that has never harmed KSA even once. Houthis/ISIS/AQAP (last two are very small in Yemen) are the concern.

BTW here is a map of the situation on the ground in Yemen:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1164462211374276609

And this is Hudaydah (would be fully in control if not for the UN crying as rest of the coastline except for the mostly uninhabited northwest coastal region as can be seen on that map above)

https://twitter.com/x/status/1164817048494587904

Only peshmerke could defeat the Houthis