What the Arab world owes Israel

[Kailash Kumar]

WHAT THE ARAB WORLD OWES ISRAEL

Israel is acting not only in its own interests, but as a proxy on their behalf.

NEVILLE TELLER

SEPTEMBER 4, 2019

Military activity by Israel over the weekend of August 24-25, reported widely in the media, ratcheted up Iranian-Israel tension in the region. Because these operations appeared to be a response to the threat of imminent hostile action, the idea that they may also be consistent with a deeper strategy was not the subject of much comment. Yet alongside a determination to prevent the transfer of Iranian military hardware to Hezbollah, an Israeli policy of consistently degrading Iran’s armed forces and their proxies is becoming increasingly apparent.

This longer-term pattern of Israeli military thinking parallels what is emerging as Iran’s deeper purposes in the region. Despite its standoff with the US over the past two years, Iran’s power base in the Middle East has been substantially enhanced. Its “Shi’ite Crescent,” once a rather aspirational concept, is now a reality. Having supported and developed the military capabilities of its proxies in Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Gaza and Yemen, Iran is now engaged in transferring to them its advanced missile and unmanned drone capabilities. The Houthis in Yemen and Hamas in Gaza are making use of them – and if Iran has its way, Hezbollah will one day unleash them on Israel.

At the same time, Iran pursues with increasing determination its opposition to much of the Sunni Muslim world in general, and to Saudi Arabia in particular, seeking constantly to undermine and eventually overturn their regimes. In this one particular instance, the moderate Arab world and Israel know they stand shoulder-to-shoulder.

The latest clashes began early in the morning on Saturday, August 24, when, acting on intelligence indicating an imminent “killer” drone strike, Israel attacked military sites in Syria. Details remain sketchy, but it appears that the targets were Iranian controlled bases in Aqraba, southeast of Damascus. Hassan Nasrallah, head of Hezbollah, which is closely tied to Iran’s forces in Syria, claimed that Israel had targeted Hezbollah positions.

Shortly afterwards, Lebanese sources reported that two Israeli surveillance drones had come down in a Hezbollah stronghold in Beirut. An unmanned drone was said to have fallen on the roof of a media center belonging to the group, and a second to have exploded in mid-air and crashed nearby. Some reports speculate that they had been involved in the earlier attack in Syria.

Then on Sunday night, August 25, Israeli aircraft carried out three air strikes deep inside Lebanon on a base belonging to the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP), the terrorist group fighting alongside Iranian forces and Iran-backed militias in support of Syrian President Bashar Assad. The base is located in the Bekaa Valley in eastern Lebanon, near the border with Syria.

Later that Sunday evening, three rockets were fired from Gaza into southern Israel. Two were intercepted by the Iron Dome missile defense system, but one exploded next to the Route 34 highway. Within hours, the IAF had launched a series of strikes on targets in the Gaza Strip, hitting a Hamas military base.

Is all this military activity by Israel – largely explicable as a direct reaction to provocation – consistent with a longer-term strategy aimed at weakening Iran’s aggressive capabilities? There have certainly been some unclaimed and unexplained anti-Iran activities in the recent past.

For example, a blast on August 20, apparently caused by an aerial attack, struck a pro-Iranian Shi’ite militia facility 80 km. north of Baghdad. It came after three unexplained explosions in recent weeks on Iraqi Shi’ite militia sites that served or hosted Iranian assets. The last of these demolished a weapons depot. One report said that 50 missiles stocked at the targeted site were destroyed.

Iraq’s paramilitary groups backed by Iran have blamed the series of recent blasts at their weapons depots and bases on the US and Israel. The Popular Mobilization Forces (PMF), or Hashd al-Shaabi, is the umbrella grouping of Iraq’s mostly Shi’ite militias. It said the US had allowed four Israeli drones to enter the region and carry out missions on Iraqi territory. The US-led coalition, in Iraq to fight ISIS remnants, denied the accusation.

Another blast the week before at a weapons depot run by one group sent rockets hurtling across southern Baghdad, killing one person and wounding 29 others. A government investigation of an earlier explosion near Baghdad concluded that it was caused by a drone attack.

Israel has, in line with its normal policy, neither confirmed nor denied responsibility for these attacks inside Iraq, but if it did carry them out, it would be an extension of its normal anti-Iran campaign. The last time it struck Iranian targets inside Iraq was in 1981, when Israeli fighter jets bombed a nuclear reactor under construction south of Baghdad.

Escalation is also the name of the game on Iran’s part. Its recent attempt, frustrated by the IDF, to launch a flotilla of “killer drones” into Israel has upped the stakes. Israel’s immediate claim of responsibility for the strike against the Iranian-controlled bases in Syria also strikes a new note. It underlines Israel’s determination to foil any ambition Iran might harbor of establishing a permanent power base in either Syria or Iraq.

Proxies can function on both sides of a dispute. In this proactive stance, as every moderate Middle Eastern state is aware, Israel is acting not only in its own interests, but as a proxy on their behalf. The Arab world’s IOU debt toward Israel is accruing fast. One day soon, Israel may call for it to be redeemed.

https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/What-the-Arab-world-owes-Israel-600678

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

WHAT THE ARAB WORLD OWES ISRAEL

Israel is acting not only in its own interests, but as a proxy on their behalf.

NEVILLE TELLER

SEPTEMBER 4, 2019

Military activity by Israel over the weekend of August 24-25, reported widely in the media, ratcheted up Iranian-Israel tension in the region. Because these operations appeared to be a response to the threat of imminent hostile action, the idea that they may also be consistent with a deeper strategy was not the subject of much comment. Yet alongside a determination to prevent the transfer of Iranian military hardware to Hezbollah, an Israeli policy of consistently degrading Iran’s armed forces and their proxies is becoming increasingly apparent.

This longer-term pattern of Israeli military thinking parallels what is emerging as Iran’s deeper purposes in the region. Despite its standoff with the US over the past two years, Iran’s power base in the Middle East has been substantially enhanced. Its “Shi’ite Crescent,” once a rather aspirational concept, is now a reality. Having supported and developed the military capabilities of its proxies in Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Gaza and Yemen, Iran is now engaged in transferring to them its advanced missile and unmanned drone capabilities. The Houthis in Yemen and Hamas in Gaza are making use of them – and if Iran has its way, Hezbollah will one day unleash them on Israel.

At the same time, Iran pursues with increasing determination its opposition to much of the Sunni Muslim world in general, and to Saudi Arabia in particular, seeking constantly to undermine and eventually overturn their regimes. In this one particular instance, the moderate Arab world and Israel know they stand shoulder-to-shoulder.

The latest clashes began early in the morning on Saturday, August 24, when, acting on intelligence indicating an imminent “killer” drone strike, Israel attacked military sites in Syria. Details remain sketchy, but it appears that the targets were Iranian controlled bases in Aqraba, southeast of Damascus. Hassan Nasrallah, head of Hezbollah, which is closely tied to Iran’s forces in Syria, claimed that Israel had targeted Hezbollah positions.

Shortly afterwards, Lebanese sources reported that two Israeli surveillance drones had come down in a Hezbollah stronghold in Beirut. An unmanned drone was said to have fallen on the roof of a media center belonging to the group, and a second to have exploded in mid-air and crashed nearby. Some reports speculate that they had been involved in the earlier attack in Syria.

Then on Sunday night, August 25, Israeli aircraft carried out three air strikes deep inside Lebanon on a base belonging to the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP), the terrorist group fighting alongside Iranian forces and Iran-backed militias in support of Syrian President Bashar Assad. The base is located in the Bekaa Valley in eastern Lebanon, near the border with Syria.

Later that Sunday evening, three rockets were fired from Gaza into southern Israel. Two were intercepted by the Iron Dome missile defense system, but one exploded next to the Route 34 highway. Within hours, the IAF had launched a series of strikes on targets in the Gaza Strip, hitting a Hamas military base.

Is all this military activity by Israel – largely explicable as a direct reaction to provocation – consistent with a longer-term strategy aimed at weakening Iran’s aggressive capabilities? There have certainly been some unclaimed and unexplained anti-Iran activities in the recent past.

For example, a blast on August 20, apparently caused by an aerial attack, struck a pro-Iranian Shi’ite militia facility 80 km. north of Baghdad. It came after three unexplained explosions in recent weeks on Iraqi Shi’ite militia sites that served or hosted Iranian assets. The last of these demolished a weapons depot. One report said that 50 missiles stocked at the targeted site were destroyed.

Iraq’s paramilitary groups backed by Iran have blamed the series of recent blasts at their weapons depots and bases on the US and Israel. The Popular Mobilization Forces (PMF), or Hashd al-Shaabi, is the umbrella grouping of Iraq’s mostly Shi’ite militias. It said the US had allowed four Israeli drones to enter the region and carry out missions on Iraqi territory. The US-led coalition, in Iraq to fight ISIS remnants, denied the accusation.

Another blast the week before at a weapons depot run by one group sent rockets hurtling across southern Baghdad, killing one person and wounding 29 others. A government investigation of an earlier explosion near Baghdad concluded that it was caused by a drone attack.

Israel has, in line with its normal policy, neither confirmed nor denied responsibility for these attacks inside Iraq, but if it did carry them out, it would be an extension of its normal anti-Iran campaign. The last time it struck Iranian targets inside Iraq was in 1981, when Israeli fighter jets bombed a nuclear reactor under construction south of Baghdad.

Escalation is also the name of the game on Iran’s part. Its recent attempt, frustrated by the IDF, to launch a flotilla of “killer drones” into Israel has upped the stakes. Israel’s immediate claim of responsibility for the strike against the Iranian-controlled bases in Syria also strikes a new note. It underlines Israel’s determination to foil any ambition Iran might harbor of establishing a permanent power base in either Syria or Iraq.

Proxies can function on both sides of a dispute. In this proactive stance, as every moderate Middle Eastern state is aware, Israel is acting not only in its own interests, but as a proxy on their behalf. The Arab world’s IOU debt toward Israel is accruing fast. One day soon, Israel may call for it to be redeemed.

https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/What-the-Arab-world-owes-Israel-600678

Do you do anything else but spread anti-Arab propaganda nonsense on this forum, Indian troll? On the other hand you tend to post Farsi Mullah propaganda. Very suspicious from a troll that claims to be from Suriname and based in the Netherlands. How about you find something better to do with your life?

The Arab world owes Israel nothing.

Israel owes almost everything to Arabs on the other hand. Almost 2000 years of protection under Arab rule, land, cuisine, culture, people (over 50% of all Israeli Jews are Arab Jews), architecture and even language.

If we include the 20% "Israeli Arabs", Israel is basically an Arab country with Judaism as the main religion and a closely related (Arab-influenced) Hebrew language.

GTFO with your retarded propaganda and JP nonsense.

If anything the US (by extension the US and West) owes 100 billion more to the Arab world than vice versa. Not even a contest.

 

[Kailash Kumar]

@ArabianEmpires&Caliphates

I am Surinamese Hindustani.

And I post what I want to post.

Besides, you cannot deny that the Arab world (especially the Gulf Arab countries) becomes closer to Israel because of Iran.
And this article, as I see it, talks about that Israel is fighting against Iran, not only for themselves but also for the Arab world.
In that way, the Arab world does owe them.

You are also talking about what Arabs have done in the past for others.
Nobody cares about that.
Many people think that just because a country (or a people) has done something for another country (or a people) in the past, they can still use that and talk about that in the present (and in the future).
That is not true.
Do you really think other countries (and people) care about what Arabs have done for them in the past?
No.
When you talk about (geo)politics, current affairs, strategic relations and interests, the past does not matter.
Only the present does.
What you can do for other countries now, today, that is what matters and not what you have done for them 1000 years ago.
Nobody cares.

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

@ArabianEmpires&Caliphates

I am Surinamese Hindustani.

And I post what I want to post.

Besides, you cannot deny that the Arab world (especially the Gulf Arab countries) becomes closer to Israel because of Iran.
And this article, as I see it, talks about that Israel is fighting against Iran, not only for themselves but also for the Arab world.
In that way, the Arab world does owe them.

You are also talking about what Arabs have done in the past for others. Nobody cares about that.
Many people think that just because a country (or a people) has done something for another country (or a people) in the past, they can still use that and talk about that in the present (and in the future).
That is not true.
Do you really think other countries (and people) care about what Arabs have done for them in the past?
No.
When you talk about (geo)politics, current affairs, strategic relations and interests, the past does not matter.
Only the present does.
What you can do for other countries now, today, that is what matters and not what you have done for them 1000 years ago.
Nobody cares.

Yes, you are indeed an Arab-obsessed troll.

Israel has done jackshit against Iran for 40 years. Pre-1979, Iran was the biggest Israeli lapdog in the region. Hezbollah is not Iran. They are Arabs. So try again with your moronic logic.

Rest is baseless drivel.

History triumphs over everything else and what I wrote is the ground reality historically and nowadays.

BTW tiny Israel is not needed to deal with Iran. USA can do that alone. Simply put, the Mullah's are lucky that the US is tired of wars due to the Iraq failure and almost 20 years of war in Afghanistan. Besides USA has no interest to attack Iran. If they had, they could easily have invaded Iran ages ago or during the 1980's when Iraq alone was giving Iran a spanking.

Simply put, it is not in the interests of USA to invade Iran let alone remove their Mullah's.

Not only that the Mullah's were put in power by the West.

Interestling the same Western-imposed MUllah's helped eliminate the real danger for the West (back then), the pro-socialist/communist iranian opposition (main part of it).

 

[Khafee]

@The Eagle @waz @Arsalan @Dubious Now idiotic blogs firing arrows in the air deserve threads by retards from the East.

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

The Arabs are too weak and disorganised to take on Iran and stop them from devouring the middle east.

It will be up to Israel to stop the Shia menace

Israel need to start arming groups on Iran's borders that will terrorise that rotten regime. They need to set up thousands of missiles on Iran's borders pointing at Tehran.

Not too weak. KSA alone has more firepower than all of Iran. GCC combined and there is no context. Not even talking about the other 20 + Arab countries. Egypt alone could deal with Iran.

It is simply because an Arab-Iran war would be mutually destructible and unlike Iran, which has been an impoverished pariah state for 40 years, the GCC is the exact opposite. A booming region on every front and an economy larger than Russia (top 10 in the world).

That and there being 20+ Arab countries with 20+ different foreign policies. The Shia Arab element too.

Iran cannot do anything but use Arab proxies. Without them they are nothing in the Arab world. Zero influence.

In a fantasy world, if all 20+ Arab countries ganged up tomorrow against Iran, there would be no Iran any longer. 3+ million Iranian Arab foot soldiers as well.

Remember, Iraq (1 Arab country alone) gave Iran a spanking in the 1980's despite being 4 times smaller and having a 2.5 times smaller population (back then). With Soviet era (crap) weapons while Iran was the most heavily armed country in the region (Western tech).

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

Iran already totally controls Lebanon. That's gone. They are on their way to devouring Iraq. Yemen is now one of
the world's worst basket cases and humanitarian disasters because of Iran.

Iran are building huge bases in Syria.

They already tried once to cause trouble in Bahrain and will try again.

The Arabs are losing every day to Iran. They're like a frog sitting in the pan as the temperature increases.

By the time you realise what's going on and try to fight, it will be all over.

Iran dominates the Arabs. Utterly dominates them.

Lebanon is a tiny country. It's not even a real country on paper. Hezbollah only dominates tiny Southern Lebanon. They have no say elsewhere. Rest is dominated by Lebanese Sunni Arabs (North) and the mountains by the Sunni Arabs and Christians and Druze.

Not the case in Iraq. KSA and other Arab states have growing influence in Iraq and Iran plays zero role anywhere outside of densely populated Southern Iraq. Besides Iran's popularity is plummeting in Iraq. Less than 20% have positive views of them. In recent years Iraqi Shia Arab protestors (100.000's) in Basra and other major cities of Southern Iraq have been burning Iranian flags and attacking Iranian consulates and burning them down. Cursing pro-Iranian politicians as well openly. Their influence there is restricted to some pro-Iran militias who have no chance against the US/West allied Iraqi military.

Yemen is mostly an internal Yemeni affair (Houthi's being a curse for Yemen since the 1990's) but the cowardly Mullah's are no doubt adding to the fire as the cowards they are.

Bahrain was crushed and Bahrain has ever since (essentially) been the 15th region of KSA.

Zero domination other than tiny Southern Lebanon (Hezbollah are Arabs) and some militias in Iraq.

Syria is firmly in the Russian grip which suits most Arabs just fine seeing the growing Arab-Russian ties.

This is the Israeli narrative but it is incorrect on the ground. Arab regimes are using those exaggerations also for their own benefits.

The reality is that a crippled and impoverished and isolated Iran suits everyone for the time being. Once normality returns in Iran, they can be integrated economically again to the rest of the region and the Arabs of Iran will play a role in that.

BTW, just like Houthis (northwestern Yemen) in the case of KSA, Israel too could carpet bomb all of southern Lebanon and end the Hezbollah domination there, but that is not possible in 2019, unless you use the Al-Assad approach. Which might be successful short-term but on the long run, not so much.

 

[skyshadow]

The Arabs are too weak and disorganised to take on Iran and stop them from devouring the middle east.

It will be up to Israel to stop the Shia menace

Israel need to start arming groups on Iran's borders that will terrorise that rotten regime. They need to set up thousands of missiles on Iran's borders pointing at Tehran.

but how? you say Israel must armed groups in Iraq and Syria and Afghanistan but Iran controls those countries do you think those groups could drink a glass of water without Iran knowing??? and after all they still Muslim no matter how bad the relationship is between those countries there ppl will not accept a Israeli arm.

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

but how? you say Israel must armed groups in Iraq and Syria and Afghanistan but Iran controls those countries do you think those groups could drink a glass of water without Iran knowing??? and after all they still Muslim no matter how bad the relationship is between those countries there ppl will not accept a Israeli arm.

In which alternative universe does Iran control Iraq and Syria?

@CamelGuy

Same with Afghanistan although that is not an Arab country.

You do realize that Hezbollah are Lebanese Arabs. They receive ideological, financial and military support from the Iranian Mullah's (the current regime of Iran) but that is about it. If the Mullah's of Iran are toppled tomorrow, Hezbollah will remain as long as the people of Southern Lebanon will support it and as long as they deem Israeli to be a threat. Lebanese people fought against Israel when your country and Israel were best buddies in the region.

 

[skyshadow]

In which alternative universe does Iran control Iraq and Syria?

@CamelGuy

Same with Afghanistan although that is not an Arab country.

well that my take on it can you prove i'm wrong??? they are our friend but still think that they are better of with US well what did US bring them or SA control over their country they bring the ISIS and Al qaeda as gift. people like hadidi in Lebanon will bring more suffering to those countries thank God Iraq is with Iran know so people like Saddam dose not have the power any more.

 

[Saddam Hussein]

well that my take on it can you prove i'm wrong??? they are our friend but still think that they are better of with US well what did US bring them or SA control over their country they bring the ISIS and Al qaeda as gift. people like hadidi in Lebanon will bring more suffering to those countries thank God Iraq is with Iran know so people like Saddam dose not have the power any more.

Iraq isn't with Iran in the sense of military alliance, it's working with everyone including the US military, although its governors are corrupt and ineffective which explains Iraq's poor state of 2019. Iran does not control Iraq, no one does. Many sides hold power there through political parties and armed groups (PMU factions) whilst ultimately the Iraqi military holds the upper hand in terms of firepower and would with US assistance be able to put others down as in the past. Iraq's cabinets are all temporary, policies will keep changing. We produce 1 million Arabs a year, whoever wants to control will be Arabized.

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

well that my take on it can you prove i'm wrong??? they are our friend but still think that they are better of with US well what did US bring them or SA control over their country they bring the ISIS and Al qaeda as gift. people like hadidi in Lebanon will bring more suffering to those countries thank God Iraq is with Iran know so people like Saddam dose not have the power any more.

Maybe you should prove that an impoverished Iran "controls" (LOL) Syria and Iraq.

I already wrote why you and everyone else who think that are very wrong (deluded), in this thread.

Iraq has turned into a failed state on many fronts, economically, politically and socially in recent years. If Iran indeed "rules" Iraq, they have turned that country into a cesspool on those fronts. Same case (even worse) with Syria.

This is what Iraqi Shia Arabs from the South think about your country and regime:

Even anti-Iran protestors (Al-Sadr supporters) reached the Iraqi parliament (!) not many years ago, lol.

BTW luckily Iraq is turning more to its Arab neighbors and brothers and KSA is already helping Iraq tremendously and can help Iraq much better than Iran can economically, infrastructure, petrochemical, energy (wind, solar), water desalination, agriculture, military, politics (improve ties to other Arab countries and the West) etc. Direct flights resumed, border for civilian traveling opening in 6 weeks, Saudi firms working closely in Iraq rebuilding it and politically/military wise several cooperation deals signed.

Find me a single anti-KSA protest in Iraq on the other hand.

Not only that KSA has cordial ties with the most influential Shia cleric in Iraq (Muqtada Al-Sadr)



612.000 views:

Look at the Iraqi comments. You can use Google Translate. Search about every Iraq-KSA related topic on Youtube.

Iran cannot "win" against KSA in a single Arab country when it comes to affection of people. Other than some corrupt proxies and politicians. Same with any other Arab country. Maybe some hardcore Shia Wilayat al-Faqih followers would prefer Iran over a fellow Arab country, but that has more to do with ideology/regime in power and not Iranian people. Besides let us not forget that the so-called Supreme Leader claims Arab ancestry (openly and proudly) and this guy who is an Arab:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Shamkhani

Many Iranian Arabs have high-ranking positions in the IRGC and the Mullah regime.

 

[Saddam Hussein]

@ArabianEmpires&Caliphates

I believe that the failed policies of the past years and the inter-Arab hatred fueled by religious sects should not erase the pan-Arab goal of closer integration and unification on whichever level is realistic in this day and age. Iraq, whilst friendly to Iran should re-integrate with the Arab world starting with its GCC and Jordan neighbors whilst aiding the Syrian government which Iraq can connect back to the Arab world as it stayed friendly to the regime during the civil war. Indeed some may laugh at this comment but I am not speaking of the current leaders and influential members within our governments whom I mostly consider uneducated leeches to start with. Infact, most of those today in Iraq's parliament are people that were in opposition parties during Saddam's reign. in other words people that fought against the country during time of war, in my opinion you can never do that whoever rules the state. Following the logic of these people I would be fighting against my country now, as some did (ISIS). Nationalists don't do this, hence the banning of the ba'ath party has done nothing but create hatred for the government as Iraq's' ba'athists included every nationalist out there.

May Allah destroy the Iraqi parliament and help us carry forth the sharp sword of Arabism into Baghdad and eventually Arbil.

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

@ArabianEmpires&Caliphates

I believe that the failed policies of the past years and the inter-Arab hatred fueled by religious sects should not erase the pan-Arab goal of closer integration and unification on whichever level is realistic in this day and age. Iraq, whilst friendly to Iran should re-integrate with the Arab world starting with its GCC and Jordan neighbors whilst aiding the Syrian government which Iraq can connect back to the Arab world as it stayed friendly to the regime during the civil war. Indeed some may laugh at this comment but I am not speaking of the current leaders and influential members within our governments whom I mostly consider uneducated leeches to start with. Infact, most of those today in Iraq's parliament are people that were in opposition parties during Saddam's reign. in other words people that fought against the country during time of war, in my opinion you can never do that whoever rules the state. Following the logic of these people I would be fighting against my country now, as some did (ISIS). Nationalists don't do this, hence the banning of the ba'ath party has done nothing but create hatred for the government as Iraq's' ba'athists included every nationalist out there.

May Allah destroy the Iraqi parliament and help us carry forth the sharp sword of Arabism into Baghdad and eventually Arbil.

Everything in due time. The solutions start at home. Many faults were committed by previous and current Arab regimes in power. Most of those decisions, if not all of the, dare I say, had little if anything to do with the popular will of the people and Arab street.

This discussion has little to do with Iran. Iran is not some superpower. Just one out of many regional players. The problem is not the Iranian people (whether Iranian Arabs or others) but more certain policies of the Iranian regime and negative meddling in a few Arab countries. This could easily be solved if Arab-Arab cooperation grow much stronger and reflected the will of the people. Currently there are many retarded rivalries, a good example the current GCC-Qatar conflict (Kuwait and Oman more neutral).

Syria's reintegration should be of utmost importance. Similarly with reaching peace in Libya and Yemen.

BTW, the reality is that even the hardcore Arabs motivated purely by sect, would rarely ever harbor any hatred against any Arab country or people.

Take a look at this Iraqi Hezbollah high-ranking member. Even if he is lying, he knows that he cannot say that he would support USA against a fellow Arab country, let alone the neighbors he mentioned (KSA, Syria and Jordan).

Patriots in every Arab country who want the best for their respective countries and who believe in mutually beneficial Arab cooperation regardless of ideology, sect, religion etc. must be supported everywhere. The Arab world is diverse in those regards (politically, ideologically, sect wise) but that is part of our richness and beauty. We continue to share almost everything and all the essentials.

As for Iran, post-Mullah regime, I think that even if relations will turn sour (doubtful given that just 500.000 Iranians are based in UAE, lol), the substantial community of Iranian Arabs will do their part and they already live in all the strategically most important areas of Iran and next door.

Iraq, Syria, Yemen and Libya will rise again (question of time) but it would be 1 trillion times more preferably if that transition towards better times (already occurred in Iraq, especially under Al-Abadi) could occur quicker.

As for Iraq's current political system, we have discussed this in detail and agree. Part of me believes that this anti-Baathism and anti-nationalism will die out, once the generation affected by the Saddam era dies off. Remember that most people below the age of 20 have little to no resemblance of the Saddam era. Even those 25 or below. Only early years of their lives.

There is also the religion aspect. More people (I suspect) will put less emphasis on it in the future (like everywhere else) and instead focus on civilizational, cultural, linguistic, ancestral, genetic, political interests etc. that ties people regardless of religion (say relationship with your average Arab Muslim and average non-sellout Christian Arab).

My two quick cents.

BTW Northern Iraq, will be flooded by Iraqis soon and render "project Barzanistan" impossible. Already the case now. While Kurds outbreed non-Kurds in Anatolia (with the exception of Turkish Arabs maybe), nobody in the region can outbreed us Arabs.

Nice background music:

 

[skyshadow]

Iraq isn't with Iran in the sense of military alliance, it's working with everyone including the US military, although its governors are corrupt and ineffective which explains Iraq's poor state of 2019. Iran does not control Iraq, no one does. Many sides hold power there through political parties and armed groups (PMU factions) whilst ultimately the Iraqi military holds the upper hand in terms of firepower and would with US assistance be able to put others down as in the past. Iraq's cabinets are all temporary, policies will keep changing. We produce 1 million Arabs a year, whoever wants to control will be Arabized.

we all now Iraq must choose a side well you have been with SA and US, it's time for Iraq to side with Iran too we are not children we all know its fight for power, Iran or not but Iraq is weak after years of war and devastation, im talking about political control but our friend here thought im talking about military occupation and control as his mind is set to kill, thats why he mentioned you he thought im disrespecting Iraq by saying that, but as you see Iran dose have most of the control in Iraq, from people hearts to PMU and in government and that ok you cannot get rid of corruption in a week it takes years, its not like there fantasy that yes PEOPLE of Iraq and the government is going to accept Israel and US or SA and attack Iran at any moment or arm a group like we did with PMU or Hezbollah.

Maybe you should prove that an impoverished Iran "controls" (LOL) Syria and Iraq.

I already wrote why you and everyone else who think that are very wrong (deluded), in this thread.

Iraq has turned into a failed state on many fronts, economically, politically and socially in recent years. If Iran indeed "rules" Iraq, they have turned that country into a cesspool on those fronts. Same case (even worse) with Syria.

This is what Iraqi Shia Arabs from the South think about your country and regime:

Even anti-Iran protestors (Al-Sadr supporters) reached the Iraqi parliament (!) not many years ago, lol.

BTW luckily Iraq is turning more to its Arab neighbors and brothers and KSA is already helping Iraq tremendously and can help Iraq much better than Iran can economically, infrastructure, petrochemical, energy (wind, solar), water desalination, agriculture, military, politics (improve ties to other Arab countries and the West) etc. Direct flights resumed, border for civilian traveling opening in 6 weeks, Saudi firms working closely in Iraq rebuilding it and politically/military wise several cooperation deals signed.

Find me a single anti-KSA protest in Iraq on the other hand.

Not only that KSA has cordial ties with the most influential Shia cleric in Iraq (Muqtada Al-Sadr)

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612.000 views:

Look at the Iraqi comments. You can use Google Translate. Search about every Iraq-KSA related topic on Youtube.

Iran cannot "win" against KSA in a single Arab country when it comes to affection of people. Other than some corrupt proxies and politicians. Same with any other Arab country. Maybe some hardcore Shia Wilayat al-Faqih followers would prefer Iran over a fellow Arab country, but that has more to do with ideology/regime in power and not Iranian people. Besides let us not forget that the so-called Supreme Leader claims Arab ancestry (openly and proudly) and this guy who is an Arab:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Shamkhani

Many Iranian Arabs have high-ranking positions in the IRGC and the Mullah regime.

again prove to me Israel or US or SA can attack Iran like Iran is doing in Yemen and Israel its all about the power you had UAE with you when you started the war with Yemen and now SA is saying that UAE is helping Iran because now it is with Iran and not SA that the power that im talking about.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1169271144844865542