What prompted India-Pakistan ceasefire pact along Kashmir border?

[Itachi]

If Pakistan could then it would have already tried.

Good part is that Pakistan Military leadership is much more sane and has not taken consultancy from experts here.
Shout as as you all can, this CF wouldn’t have happened if it didn’t have any benefits for Pakistan too.

The narrative by some experts here to take advantage and break India shows their awareness (or lack of it) of factual position of both the countries.

Before crying hoarse about this just read up about the firing along the borders of the kind that we were having and it’s advantages or otherwise.

It was a sane decision. I wouldn’t go into jingoism here and claim victory or loss for anyone.

My last post on this thread as I have said enough and here onwards it would be like breaking head against a wall.

Keep up your narrative if you all want.

This isn't the first or the last CF...

They happen all the time and get broken all the time...

I'll give it a week or two before the action starts again.

 

[Baby Leone]

If Pakistan could then it would have already tried.

Good part is that Pakistan Military leadership is much more sane

finally you got the point what i was trying to say in my previous post.

 

[VkdIndian]

This isn't the first or the last CF...

They happen all the time and get broken all the time...

I'll give it a week or two before the action starts again.

I see happiness and glee on your part if the CF is violated. As if it will make someone cry. It would be soldiers and villagers in the border areas that would face the brunt.
And if you think that India doesn’t have bullets to fire then you are mistaken. Both sides would keep firing like earlier.

What I am trying to impress upon is that strategically these have no value. Higher ups in your Army know this that’s why they accepted the CF.

finally you got the point what i was trying to say in my previous post.

Your tone was “we are allowing you to have peace”. I disagree with that feeling.
Pakistan is not allowing India but it is allowing itself some peace.
I hope you get the point.

 

[fitpOsitive]

Let's not blame anyone. It might have to do with long term commitments of some countries about the resolution of Kashmir issue.
I mean from initial negotiations in Obamas times, to selection of Mr Modi, to arrival of Mr trump to selection of Mr Imran to Chinese advances to arrival of Biden to retrieval of forces on boarders. Don't you guys see any pattern?
I am sure something is going on in background. Chinese were on Indian boarder not because of India, but USA. And I am sure Mr Modi was brought to resolve Kashmir issue.
Just wait for 8 months more(according to my calculations).

 

[Itachi]

I see happiness and glee on your part if the CF is violated.

Yes, absolutely.

 

[Baby Leone]

I see happiness and glee on your part if the CF is violated. As if it will make someone cry. It would be soldiers and villagers in the border areas that would face the brunt.
And if you think that India doesn’t have bullets to fire then you are mistaken. Both sides would keep firing like earlier.

What I am trying to impress upon is that strategically these have no value. Higher ups in your Army know this that’s why they accepted the CF.

Your tone was “we are allowing you to have peace”. I disagree with that feeling.
Pakistan is not allowing India but it is allowing itself some peace.
I hope you get the point.

kaan jahan se b pakro atleast your hindu extremists are coming to their senses which is good.

Pakistan always gives importance to regional peace and economy growth hope indians will also understand.

 

[VkdIndian]

Pakistan always gives importance to regional peace and economy growth

Is that the reason it is in the grey list of FATF?

Please stop contributing to the regional peace like this.

 

[El Sidd]

that is not what he said. buffoon.

Had Pakistan a strong government and not corrupt blackmailed politician running the country, Pakistan would not have bent over backwards for Peace with the Nazis.

One of the reasons touted is that current PM has fans in India and hence no war for Kashmir

 

[HAIDER]

Ceasefire violation should be on Gujrat side ... in Kashmir only muslims die , Indian feel no pain. When violation start on international border, then pain starts... that will hurt Indian trade .

 

[xyxmt]

The perception that Cease fire violations put any strategic pressure on anyone is a false notion. Firing on a daily basis across the borders has only nuisance value.
It only leads to death of soldiers and poor civilians staying in villages near the borders. Only value it has is to create a high decibel media noise and jingoistic fervour which is common to both the sides.

Military leaders are aware of that and took the right step. Perception that India backed off because of China is a perception and appears removed from the facts. If India cracked then it made sense for Pakistan to keep the pressure ON. Why agree to CF?

But Pakistan also accepted it because it benefits them too. Better sense prevailed.

I am sure a narrative would be built up now on India requesting for it and Pakistan accepting it out of kindness.

Pakistan never initiates on LOC and reason for that is Pakistan doesnt want to Kill innocent Kashmiris (Pakistanis). India does indiscriminate firing and kill mostly civilians, PA only shoots to kill Indian soldiers and their posts and those casualities were too high to bear for Indian Military leadership. This cease fire was not initiated with your politicians but your military leadership. It might start again near election time in India.

To handle India, Today's Pakistan does not need help from any other country and your forces and your leadership knows it very well so all they can do it fire across the LOC using civilian shield.

Had Pakistan a strong government and not corrupt blackmailed politician running the country, Pakistan would not have bent over backwards for Peace with the Nazis.

One of the reasons touted is that current PM has fans in India and hence no war for Kashmir

There is a thing called blatant twisting of truth...Current PM?? really?
Did you get any stomach pain while type that black lie!
do you prefer your leader back to host Modi at his residence?

I am wondering if you are Mir Hamid Mir Mir disguised as a patriotic Pakistani

 

[khansaheeb]

This pacifistic behavior is a hallmark of Pakistani leadership.......they're too afraid to take charge or use any opportunity to take a advantage over India.

Maybe Imran Khan should change his name to "I Ran Khan". We should continue to liberate our northern territories at whatever the cost.

 

[CrazyZ]

Be pragmatic folks. All out war is needed to liberate IOK...while I would support this, I know it's not really feasible at this time. Unconventional warfare options are more plausible but this will be turned into a "Pakistan is supporting terrorists" argument at the international level and we are unlikely to get much support for the "liberation struggle" argument. Low level exchanges along the LOC are strategically pointless, the Indians are accepting that they can not bleed us into a collapse (as many Indians posters on PDF have argued).

Plus the USA wants a ratcheting down of Indo-Pak tensions. Indo-Pak tensions have sabotaged USA efforts in Afghanistan, IMO. The USA would like not nothing more then for Pakistan and India to make peace and for India focus on China....for many many reasons.

China as well is probably backing a reduction in Indo-Pak tensions...at least for now. It has already made its points laud and clear to New Delhi.

My own opinion is Pakistan is better off with a BJP run India. Modi will push sectarian differences in India and has proven to be a moron in military and economic affairs. Better to exploit this and encourage sectarian and economic/class rivalries in all of India (why limit ourselves to Kashmir).

 

[khansaheeb]

If the Kashmiris don't take the freedom fight seriously then why should Pakistan. In the UK dumb Kashmiri shop keepers still fill up their stocks with imports from India profits from with which India uses to crush the Kashmiris. Someone needs to slap the Kashmiris and tell them Pakistan is their to help them in their cause and not fight their war. I guess we will have to wait for change in leadership before the Kashmir struggle is taken seriously and Pakistan's strategic aims achieved. I can't believe Pakistani people voted for a flower power Zion pawn, look at the consequence.

 

[Vanamali]

Ceasefire violation should be on Gujrat side ... in Kashmir only muslims die , Indian feel no pain. When violation start on international border, then pain starts... that will hurt Indian trade .

Please violate ceasefire.... And that is what India want... Nowadays India is putting responsibility on Pak to maintain peace... Any terrorist attack in India, Pak will be sleepless and restless, Pak is made to spend enough resources to prove India didnt do anything...

 

[VkdIndian]

Pakistan never initiates on LOC and reason for that is Pakistan doesnt want to Kill innocent Kashmiris (Pakistanis). India does indiscriminate firing and kill mostly civilians, PA only shoots to kill Indian soldiers and their posts and those casualities were too high to bear for Indian Military leadership.

A naive as well as jingoistic analysis. As if Pakistanis know how to use a weapon and kill while Indians don’t.
Pakistan doesn’t want to kill civilians? Have you bothered to check how many civilians have died due to cross border firing on Indian side? If you had then you wouldn’t have made tall claim about Pakistani forces not killing civilians. Just read this to get some idea about the reasons.

What prompted India-Pakistan ceasefire pact along Kashmir border?

Politicians and experts reflect on reasons that made the two nations agree to a rare reaffirmation of a 2003 ceasefire.

www.aljazeera.com

casualities were too high to bear for Indian Military leadership.

There is enough content on the internet to bring out the strategic value and impact of cross border firing that was happening on the LOC.

If you still want to believe what you said then please go ahead.