What price will America pay for the Trump presidency?

[Yankee-stani]

Nothing. Everything. The answer depends on how much money you have. It means nothing will change. The few rich will get richer. The millions/billions of poor will get poorer. Income gap will continue to increase. And no COVID-19 "punishment" will befall on China simply because it's the production base of world's capitalists.

De Coupling with China will happen but the American Manufacturing jobs ain't coming back as Trumpers believe just shift out to Vietnam,Indonesia or the big cake India they really want India to be their poodle now folks like Steve Bannon and Peter Thiel would love that but it will hurt China short term as China isnt a cheap labor powerhouse like it was in the 90s 2000s China wants to be big boss basically now decoupling and tariffs would have worked under Slick Willy or Dubya

Wrong. Rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer is a function of capitalism. Richest 0.1% own as much wealth as 90% of Americans. That didn't happen overnight. It's been in the making for decades.

I use to think Communism was shit system again being product of the US society you are thought to believe the so called Free Market is everything and All the horrors of Communism granted Communism is a shit system but Capitalism is utter shit system as you described capitalists made concessions after the Great Depression and WW2 to weaken labor rights and labor unions by giving Social Security and later Medicaid but look right after 1992 when USSR bite dust no more concessions for working Americans tho process started in the late 70s under Carter later accelerated under Reagan then super accelerated under HW and Clinton

 

[Pax Ottomana]

De Coupling with China will happen but the American Manufacturing jobs ain't coming back as Trumpers believe just shift out to Vietnam,Indonesia or the big cake India they really want India to be their poodle now folks like Steve Bannon and Peter Thiel would love that but it will hurt China short term as China isnt a cheap labor powerhouse like it was in the 90s 2000s China wants to be big boss basically now decoupling and tariffs would have worked under Slick Willy or Dubya

Maybe, maybe not. It depends on the bottom line of US corporations. They'll run their numbers. If it turns out to be more profitable to shift production from China to other places, they will do it. If not, they'll stay in China. But at the end it's capitalism deciding its own faith. Not the US government, and definitely not the American people.

 

[Yankee-stani]

Maybe, maybe not. It depends on the bottom line of US corporations. They'll run their numbers. If it turns out to be more profitable to shift production from China to other places, they will do it. If not, they'll stay in China. But at the end it's capitalism deciding its own faith. Not the US government, and definitely not the American people.

Chinese workers are getting a 28 dollar salary in 2020 in 1990 it was less than 5 dollars in 2020 Indian worker now makes what average Chinese worker made in the early 90s Folks like Thiel and Bannon want that to occur besides Vietnam is what China was in the 2000s by the 2030s it will be expensive hence India is their goal now but question is will the Indians be the same like Chinese in the 90s me skeptical but America needs loyal poodle it use to be Pakistan during the Cold War but Pakistan is China's best buddy rn

 

[Pax Ottomana]

Chinese workers are getting a 28 dollar salary in 2020 in 1990 it was less than 5 dollars in 2020 Indian worker now makes what average Chinese worker made in the early 90s Folks like Thiel and Bannon want that to occur besides Vietnam is what China was in the 2000s by the 2030s it will be expensive hence India is their goal now but question is will the Indians be the same like Chinese in the 90s me skeptical but America needs loyal poodle it use to be Pakistan during the Cold War but Pakistan is China's best buddy rn

I hate seeing US capitalism taking advantage of poor peoples/countries to feed a bunch of dumb, obese Americans back home, but sadly it's the post-WW2 reality that the US has built around the world. However, the system IS starting to crack. Capital is shifting from the West to the East. And America is starting to lose its grip over the world's resources, be it oil or cheap workers. Wars are bad. But they're also good opportunities for wealth the rich stole from the poor to spread around. Perhaps it's about time for the world to do a prescribed burn.

 

[Yankee-stani]

I hate seeing US capitalism taking advantage of poor peoples/countries to feed a bunch of dumb, obese Americans back home, but sadly it's the post-WW2 reality that the US has built around the world. However, the system IS starting to crack. Capital is shifting from the West to the East. And America is starting to lose its grip over the world's resources, be it oil or cheap workers. Wars are bad. But they're also good opportunities for wealth the rich stole from the poor to spread around. Perhaps it's about time for the world to do a prescribed burn.

I am often called a Iranian,Russian and Chinese shrill here mind you all these countries have skeletons in the closet no doubt my country included yours too reality is human greed transcends even basic human values sadly but the biggest violator of this is the United States of America I am ashamed that I have to carry the privileges of a blue passport when I hear stuff done abroad but what can you do you and I have taken advantage of this but since you are smart enough to understand it's not gonna last forever I am not saying a Russo-Chinese led order will be any better but if there is one thing the good times in the US is over officially been over since 2008 now from 2020 onwards it will get worse

 

[nahtanbob]

Wrong. Rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer is a function of capitalism. Richest 0.1% own as much wealth as 90% of Americans. That didn't happen overnight. It's been in the making for decades.

provide data dude. USA has been capitalist society since 1776

you cleverly sidestepped when Xi will be kicked out. I forget dear leader can do no wrong

 

[Yankee-stani]

provide data dude. USA has been capitalist society since 1776

you cleverly sidestepped when Xi will be kicked out. I forget dear leader can do no wrong

No one here is talking about the history of the economic system of the United States just like Americans like to shit on every economic system that is non Anglo-American you have folks in the American Right and Left wing circles think the Scandinavia or the Nordics as Socialist and Authoritarian lol,wtf they are Social Democracy and are Capitalism with a smiley face

 

[nahtanbob]

No one here is talking about the history of the economic system of the United States just like Americans like to shit on every economic system that is non Anglo-American you have folks in the American Right and Left wing circles think the Scandinavia or the Nordics as Socialist and Authoritarian lol,wtf they are Social Democracy and are Capitalism with a smiley face

there is a problem from 1980 to 2020 with rich grow richer in America. a lot of that has to do with free trade. Both Trump and Bernie Sanders would agree on that.

But the poor in America are not starving. some of the odds faced by rural poor and people of color in urban areas are daunting. There is solutions - free public schooling, free public library, federal student aid, student loans for colleges. Everyone is eligible for social security and Medicare at retirement.

What worked in China is not working outside of China

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

I hate seeing US capitalism taking advantage of poor peoples/countries to feed a bunch of dumb, obese Americans back home, but sadly it's the post-WW2 reality that the US has built around the world. However, the system IS starting to crack. Capital is shifting from the West to the East. And America is starting to lose its grip over the world's resources, be it oil or cheap workers. Wars are bad. But they're also good opportunities for wealth the rich stole from the poor to spread around. Perhaps it's about time for the world to do a prescribed burn.

US unwisely attacked Afghanistan, opening the pandora's box leading to more invasions/interference in Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Somalia, Pakistan.

Eventually most of the world turned against them, with the free part of the Muslim world leading the way. In the shadows suddenly China emerges as a global power. Russia reinforces its monopoly of oil supply to Europe.

US is left with very few eager allies outside the West, only really in Israel and India. The meager vote against Palestine representation at the UN proved it.

Now after spending so much wealth on expensive wars and burning so many former allies, US finds itself more isolated.

We cannot even find enough masks, gloves, ventilators, testing kits in post COVID-19 America. Courtesy of absolutely pointless overt and economic warfare, which had the opposite affect of weakening the country.

Today the US department of state on Twitter praises Taliban for various successes, including controlling COVID-19. #HowTheMightyFall

 

[vi-va]

US unwisely attacked Afghanistan, opening the pandora's box leading to more invasions/interference in Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Somalia, Pakistan.

Eventually most of the world turned against them, with the free part of the Muslim world leading the way. In the shadows suddenly China emerges as a global power. Russia reinforces its monopoly of oil supply to Europe.

US is left with very few eager allies outside the West, only really in Israel and India. The meager vote against Palestine representation at the UN proved it.

Now after spending so much wealth on expensive wars and burning so many former allies, US finds itself more isolated.

We cannot even find enough masks, gloves, ventilators, testing kits in post COVID-19 America. Courtesy of absolutely pointless overt and economic warfare, which had the opposite affect of weakening the country.

Today the US department of state on Twitter praises Taliban for various successes, including controlling COVID-19. #HowTheMightyFall

US really paid a lot for standing on Israel's side. Unbelievable.

 

[Bilal9]

wth are you on about? this is why democrats should keep to social issues and republicans should keep to money & war.

You are welcome to choose your political persuasion as you wish - this is a free country.

But being a brownie - your attempts to equalize yourself by being in the same boat with tea-party extremists will not make you gora anytime soon. The interests of tea party folks and yours are as different as the sun and moon. Always is and always will be.

Uncle Toms and Bootlickers never become Massa.

 

[nahtanbob]

US unwisely attacked Afghanistan, opening the pandora's box leading to more invasions/interference in Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Somalia, Pakistan.

Eventually most of the world turned against them, with the free part of the Muslim world leading the way. In the shadows suddenly China emerges as a global power. Russia reinforces its monopoly of oil supply to Europe.

US is left with very few eager allies outside the West, only really in Israel and India. The meager vote against Palestine representation at the UN proved it.

Russia - monopoly on oil supply of Euorpe ?? send me the stuff you are smoking
Have you checked out oil prices lately ??

 

[Morpheus]

Only thing that speaks in Merica is money. There is not patriotism when it comes to business. Did people forget the Harley Davidson incident. Merican brand moved its factory to Europe. The Gov did nothing to stop them, and only threaten them, which had no affect.

Even during the Pandemic, USA is bailing out the rich only, while the poor get the shaft.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/shahar...ting-17-million-stimulus-checks/#4a5108f3665b

https://news.yahoo.com/us-agency-says-stimulus-money-key-small-business-163921099.html

 

[Thamizh Puli]

You are welcome to choose your political persuasion as you wish - this is a free country.

But being a brownie - your attempts to equalize yourself by being in the same boat with tea-party extremists will not make you gora anytime soon. The interests of tea party folks and yours are as different as the sun and moon. Always is and always will be.

Uncle Toms and Bootlickers never become Massa.

let me add ne more to that: high time you guys stop this inferiority superiority thinking. Until you do that you will always be a gora or brownie or blakie of pinkie in your mind. grow up people

 

[Bilal9]

let me add ne more to that: high time you guys stop this inferiority superiority thinking. Until you do that you will always be a gora or brownie or blakie of pinkie in your mind. grow up people

It's one thing to try to psych yourself into thinking something you're not.

It's quite another to keep letting Westerners manipulate your political systems so that we in Asia keep electing corrupt leaders (like Modi) who now play the same CHEAP game Westerners once did (and still do). Which is sowing hate, division, playing ethnic/religious/social groups against each other, instead of becoming stronger and more united against Western and Northern hemisphere interests, which should be our main goal.

China (because of their inherent discipline and tight social control) has been able to accomplish exactly this - while the Western bootlickers and sycophants (especially South Asia -most recently India) wallow and founder. Pathetic.

Our Western enemies in the Subcontinent sell arms to both Pakistan and India (some 100 billion or so a year) so we get distracted from our primary task, building our nations' collective societal standards (health, education) and above all, driving economic growth (through exports or otherwise). Our leaders like Modi are making damn sure of it, that we stay distracted fighting our own - so corrupt leaders like them get richer, and the divide between rich and poor in India creep up even more.

Case in point - Tiny Bangladesh now nearly exceeds India in per capita GDP, in health standards (by far), and in societal parameters like open defecation and primary education. Wholly two thirds of India's population are open defecators, Modi of course doesn't give a damn. In Bangladesh, the number is a big fat ZERO.

Now - instead of trying to ape Western-oriented thoughts (which benefit only the West) when are people in India going to grow a backbone and look at what benefits THEM?? Meaning elect real leaders, not thugger chiefs who only are hell-bent on undermining diversity and democratic rights through divisive policies.

History dictates otherwise and I'm not holding out high hopes.