What Pakistan gains from MRCA tender?

[EagleEyes]

There will be no J-11 pretty sure about that. But then never say never.

 

[Dark Angel]

Q . What Pakistan gains from MRCA tender?

A . A task to face 126+ world class fighter jets in a conflict if ever


Take it on a lighter note guys

 

[jagjitnatt]

MRCA won't affect anything. Its just a minor deal compared to 100s of billions of dollars to be spent in the next decade.

Also the nuclear deal os itself worth 100s of billions. Its way bigger than MRCA.

 

[prototype]

Has india trapped himself in a whirlpool by issuing big MRCA tender?

What will be the reaction of Russia if India does not choose MiG-35
Fulcrum-F? Will Russia get closer to Pakistan?

What will be the reaction of America if India does not choose F-16IN
Fighting Falcon or F/A-18E/F Super Hornet? Will Civil Nuclear Energy contract between America and India be affected? And what Pakistan will gain in this scenario?

and finally

What will be the reaction of France if India does not choose Rafale? Will France resume the contract with Pakistan? And how Dassault (the major contributor in LCA project) will react towards LCA?

regards,

so what do u think MRCA is the last big ticket deal we have issued
i think india is set for a $60 billion purchase in the coming yrs

and abt russia,just keep dreaming abt russians

india and russian relation stands even more higher then money,russia is our strategic partner,they have helped us all those time when india has no money,when india was reeling under economic depression(after independence)

all these yrs it was russia which keep india equipped with its latest tech

and now india has bucket loads of money to flaunt
if russia come close to pakistan,does pakistan have money to finance a project like PAK FA,i think the answer is no,so russia is not coming anywere near u

as far as other nations r concerned my fellow indian frnd had already described the number of deals that india signed,so keep ur cards closed

 

[gogbot]

Has india trapped himself in a whirlpool by issuing big MRCA tender?

What will be the reaction of Russia if India does not choose MiG-35
Fulcrum-F? Will Russia get closer to Pakistan?

What will be the reaction of America if India does not choose F-16IN
Fighting Falcon or F/A-18E/F Super Hornet? Will Civil Nuclear Energy contract between America and India be affected? And what Pakistan will gain in this scenario?

and finally

What will be the reaction of France if India does not choose Rafale? Will France resume the contract with Pakistan? And how Dassault (the major contributor in LCA project) will react towards LCA?

regards,

Well the answer to those questions will depend solely on you ?

Do you want the Pakistani version or the Zionist Indian version.

First i will give you the Pakistani version.

Has india trapped himself in a whirlpool by issuing big MRCA tender?

Yes, it is doomed.

What will be the reaction of Russia if India does not choose MiG-35
Fulcrum-F? Will Russia get closer to Pakistan?

Yes , Russia will get mad and punish India. It will do so by kicking India off Pak-fa , stopping all support for JV . Indian R&D will be doomed,
It will also Increase price of spares and products making India pay more.

It may also sell T-50 to pak at reduced rate , and then sell to India at high price to teach India a lesson about who is master.

What will be the reaction of America if India does not choose F-16IN
Fighting Falcon or F/A-18E/F Super Hornet? Will Civil Nuclear Energy contract between America and India be affected? And what Pakistan will gain in this scenario?

The US will get upset , and get out of bed with India , it will punish India economically by stopping investing and placing sanctions.

Pakistan will gain very little from this , but India will loose much.

What will be the reaction of France if India does not choose Rafale? Will France resume the contract with Pakistan? And how Dassault (the major contributor in LCA project) will react towards LCA?

France goes where Money is , those idiot India don't realise that. If they don't win MRCA they will come back to Pak and resume JF-17 deal.

They may also raise prices or cut cooperation as punishment for delaying pak deal for no reason.

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Now the other version believed by people with a different outlook on the world. So just Zionists i suppose

as india trapped himself in a whirlpool by issuing big MRCA tender?

THe IAF wanted a new plane it has issued a tender. and these are teh companies that chose to respond. All of them went through the same process of trials and testing.

There may be a political aspect in the decision but at the end of the its an air force looking for new fighter aircraft.

it will get the one that best meets its needs.

What will be the reaction of Russia if India does not choose MiG-35
Fulcrum-F? Will Russia get closer to Pakistan?

Russia has many companies, makers of mig are just one of them.

Its hardly fair to say India and Russia having been allies for over 20 years. have such weak relations that every arms deal has bearing on what happens.

India and Russia have just signed an agreement for another 10 more years of close partnership and cooperation just last month.

HAl/Sukhoi are two companies with over decade of cooperation's , that is what has lead to cooperation on the FGFA.

Sukhoi has nothing to do with MIg's .
And Russia government is not responsible is MIg cant be as competitive as the Su-30 .

It was the Mikoyoan that responded to the tender its their fault if they loose .

Russia And India have more than 100 JV between them, and an equal number of strategic agreements, and Billions of dollars worth of trade and assets . One fighter aircraft deal is not going to change anything.

India has both Mirage and Jaguar aircraft with no issues from Russia in the past.

It continues to Buy Israile systems with no Russian Objection. including UAV's

Its buying US aircraft such as the P8-I and no problem from Russia.

Will Russia get closer to Pakistan?

Pakistan and Russia are free to have their own reactions. But given Indian and Russia strategic partnership , India will always object if those strategic ties and assets are put at risk by cooperating with Pakistan. Russia will always take India concerns into consideration.

At the end of the day , even if Pakistan reaches out to Russia or vice versa

Do you really trust India's closest ally.

What will be the reaction of France if India does not choose Rafale? Will France resume the contract with Pakistan? And how Dassault (the major contributor in LCA project) will react towards LCA?

France is upgrading 64 mid-29's to SMT standard
France is upgrading 50 Mirage -2000

Both these deals combines , are well over 4 billion dollars

France's SCHEMA is coopering with GTRE to build the GTRE/SCHEMA KAVERi -mk 2.

India France have agreed on supplying 6 scopene submarines.

France and French Companies have a lot of investment in India.

The MMRCA deal is just one facet of a much larger cooperation.

Everyone is in India to tap the muti-billion dollar year market.

No company in the world would leave any market because they failed to win One tender.

the only time a company pulls out is when they can no longer do business , or that doing business here is counter productive to the bottom line

After the JF-17 fiasco , how reliable a supplier do you consider France to be , do you always want to be at their mercy.

What will be the reaction of America if India does not choose F-16IN
Fighting Falcon or F/A-18E/F Super Hornet? Will Civil Nuclear Energy contract between America and India be affected? And what Pakistan will gain in this scenario?

Nothing,

MMRCA deal and nuclear deal have nothing to do with each other.

If India buys, it furthers US -INdo ties
if it does not , it changes nothing.

Either way American companies are already setting up JV in India, With India Private sector firms.

To them MMRCA is just one business opportunity.

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Chose the one you wanted to read.

 

[MZUBAIR]

Abay yar in logow say MRCA tu decide nahi howa.......2005 say ye deal chal rahe hai.

LCA ko 20 years honay ko ayaye....

Arjun tank bhi flop ho gia.....

Interception missile tests bhi flop ho gaye...

Brahmos......bhi completly develop nahi howa.

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Kia F-16, F-18 Eurofighter ka evaluatin ke zarrort hai.....
Gripen may oar Rafeal may kutch problems hain thats Y Pakistan rejected their deals in early 2000 (Rafeal) and Gripen (Mid 90's)


Bottom line is that India is confused what to buy or w not.

Secondly, doors for Pakistan are open except Russia.......They are still planning to buy 126 MRCA and here sooner we are getting 30 F-16 Block 52 within 1 and half year...................

And france wants to win MRCA deal thats y they kept th Pakistan deal on hold. Our Mirage are alreadyon ROSE program with the support of France.

India will ever scare to Pakistan untill we have NUKES.

 

[AVADI]

Abay yar in logow say MRCA tu decide nahi howa.......2005 say ye deal chal rahe hai.

LCA ko 20 years honay ko ayaye....

Arjun tank bhi flop ho gia.....

Interception missile tests bhi flop ho gaye...

Brahmos......bhi completly develop nahi howa.

_______________________________________


Kia F-16, F-18 Eurofighter ka evaluatin ke zarrort hai.....
Gripen may oar Rafeal may kutch problems hain thats Y Pakistan rejected their deals in early 2000 (Rafeal) and Gripen (Mid 90's)


Bottom line is that India is confused what to buy or w not.

Secondly, doors for Pakistan are open except Russia.......They are still planning to buy 126 MRCA and here sooner we are getting 30 F-16 Block 52 within 1 and half year...................

And france wants to win MRCA deal thats y they kept th Pakistan deal on hold. Our Mirage are alreadyon ROSE program with the support of France.

India will ever scare to Pakistan untill we have NUKES.

Spoken like a true Pakistani bravo.

 

[Join]

Abay yar in logow say MRCA tu decide nahi howa.......2005 say ye deal chal rahe hai.

We have many people ready to give the best what they produce, its easy for pakistan to pick up as china is the only supplier who share it with you and that too not latest weapons

LCA ko 20 years honay ko ayaye....

So what, its not easy to jump 2 gen ahead, btw do u know how much years did Rafael take to become fully operational despite having vast knowledge in that field

Arjun tank bhi flop ho gia.....

U mean when Arjun Outgunned T-90?

Interception missile tests bhi flop ho gaye...

What can the interceptor missile do, When the modified prithvi did not reach the altitude given, The interceptor missile could have triggered the prithvi with the altitude it gained but whats the use, the test was supposed to be endo atmospheric not exo atmospheric

Brahmos......bhi completly develop nahi howa.

Is it??? may I know from where u have taken these lines?
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Kia F-16, F-18 Eurofighter ka evaluatin ke zarrort hai.....
Gripen may oar Rafeal may kutch problems hain thats Y Pakistan rejected their deals in early 2000 (Rafeal) and Gripen (Mid 90's)

the truth is pakistan treasury is empty, At that time and today aswell..

Bottom line is that India is confused what to buy or w not.

Ofcourse, We have the top class aircrafts in front of us to choose, we need our own time, why suffer later because of errors created today. so slow and steady wins the race...

Secondly, doors for Pakistan are open except Russia.......They are still planning to buy 126 MRCA and here sooner we are getting 30 F-16 Block 52 within 1 and half year...................

And we have placed orders for 40 Sukhoi 30 mki, and we roll out HAL made aswell...

And france wants to win MRCA deal thats y they kept th Pakistan deal on hold. Our Mirage are alreadyon ROSE program with the support of France.

Even if France looses MMRCA, they have a lot to offer us, in terms of submarines,Mirage upgrades, Nuke reactors.... Think practically and your sleep will be spoiled for ever

India will ever scare to Pakistan untill we have NUKES.

yeah true

 

[Storm Force]

Any air force That already feilds SU30MKI & Phalcon Awacs does not looked confused to me.

With regards MMRCA i think its a master stroke.

Too field test every single fighter in your own country in the extremmes of LEH high altitude to the deserts of Rajasthan will allow IAF cheifs to WORK OUT for themselves WAT REALLY is the most capable and correct fighter for the IAF.

The fact the all the contenders frm USA/RUSSIA & EUROPE are spending $30m each towards the contest frm their own pockets also shows the huge political power that india holds.

 

[Trichy]

Abay yar in logow say MRCA tu decide nahi howa.......2005 say ye deal chal rahe hai.

LCA ko 20 years honay ko ayaye....

Arjun tank bhi flop ho gia.....

Interception missile tests bhi flop ho gaye...

Brahmos......bhi completly develop nahi howa.

_______________________________________


Kia F-16, F-18 Eurofighter ka evaluatin ke zarrort hai.....
Gripen may oar Rafeal may kutch problems hain thats Y Pakistan rejected their deals in early 2000 (Rafeal) and Gripen (Mid 90's)


Bottom line is that India is confused what to buy or w not.

Secondly, doors for Pakistan are open except Russia.......They are still planning to buy 126 MRCA and here sooner we are getting 30 F-16 Block 52 within 1 and half year...................

And france wants to win MRCA deal thats y they kept th Pakistan deal on hold. Our Mirage are alreadyon ROSE program with the support of France.

India will ever scare to Pakistan untill we have NUKES.

Gud Sprit keep-it up

 

[farhan_9909]

Has india trapped himself in a whirlpool by issuing big MRCA tender?

What will be the reaction of Russia if India does not choose MiG-35
Fulcrum-F? Will Russia get closer to Pakistan?

What will be the reaction of America if India does not choose F-16IN
Fighting Falcon or F/A-18E/F Super Hornet? Will Civil Nuclear Energy contract between America and India be affected? And what Pakistan will gain in this scenario?

and finally

What will be the reaction of France if India does not choose Rafale? Will France resume the contract with Pakistan? And how Dassault (the major contributor in LCA project) will react towards LCA?

regards,

why do we need friendship with russia?
to get ther weapons?
we hav china which weapons are superior to russian chineese copied weapons

ABOUT usa.US is already our friend and are providing us many things with reduced price like the 8 frigates(4000 tons with 70million price),f-16,P-3C,E-2 on P3c,BVR,Laser guided bombs,UAv,helicopters and many other things

about france we now dnt need the deal because we already has started indegenous avionics project..only we need is a AESA radar..which wwe will get frm italy or china own AESA.

 

[Manticore]

from where i see it-- the more the time taken by indians to select a fighter, more time we get to upgrade j10 along the lines of the aircrafts in the indian tender- we are not inducting j10a as a stopgap measure ---

rafale was pitted against helnicaf blk52s , im sure thers also a neutral topic of blk 52s verses typhoons --- the point is that they dont have a clear advantage against blk 52s--------

j10a was compared with blk 30 and mig29s 8 years back---- j10a was compared to blk40 3 years back-- j10b after 2 more years.... well you do the math

Fisher pointed out that in China's fifth-generation fighter plane before take-off, China's aviation advances in the field of electronics and the engine is likely to birth a new "four half generation" fighters, such as the recently begun flight testing the F-10B aircraft. These fighter planes and may eventually develop a successful fifth-generation fighter will be the current and future challenges of the U.S. Air Force constitute a more effective, but also Japan, South Korea and Taiwan was forced out of its fourth-generation fighter. United States Navy are not being created as the F-22 fighter as the fifth-generation fighter project excellence, but its intention to rely on the slow flying F-35C fighters - an attack mission

USsaysChinaisdevelopingtwofifthgenerationfighters-PLA Air Force-china defense xinjunshi.com

 

[Guynextdoor]

Any thread with the word MRCA should be moved to indian section kindly it has no value to Pakistan airforce

Once that tender is finished , we will get cheaper rates for competitors willing to sell items to Pakistan on discounted rates but we will get

J11 and J10B ... so tough luck for he loser companies

Can't get your logic. Why would pakistan be offered cheaper rates?

 

[Guynextdoor]

MRCA won't affect anything. Its just a minor deal compared to 100s of billions of dollars to be spent in the next decade.

Also the nuclear deal os itself worth 100s of billions. Its way bigger than MRCA.

Besides big powers don't have unidimensional relationships. They have multiple engagements going on.

 

[Guynextdoor]

Abay yar in logow say MRCA tu decide nahi howa.......2005 say ye deal chal rahe hai.

LCA ko 20 years honay ko ayaye....

Arjun tank bhi flop ho gia.....

Interception missile tests bhi flop ho gaye...

Brahmos......bhi completly develop nahi howa.

_______________________________________


Kia F-16, F-18 Eurofighter ka evaluatin ke zarrort hai.....
Gripen may oar Rafeal may kutch problems hain thats Y Pakistan rejected their deals in early 2000 (Rafeal) and Gripen (Mid 90's)


Bottom line is that India is confused what to buy or w not.

Secondly, doors for Pakistan are open except Russia.......They are still planning to buy 126 MRCA and here sooner we are getting 30 F-16 Block 52 within 1 and half year...................

And france wants to win MRCA deal thats y they kept th Pakistan deal on hold. Our Mirage are alreadyon ROSE program with the support of France.

India will ever scare to Pakistan untill we have NUKES.

Maybe in ur airforce an F16 doesn't need an evaluation but in our hands, buddy, it will be punished to the core. Agar hawa hai to 2005 se unhone itna kaam kyun kiya hai?