What kind of governance do you want to see in Pakistan?

[rameez ahmed]

Brother Allah has provided you the Quran and and Prophet (sa) has provided you with his Hadith... If Mullah says anything, it is the words of Allah or Prophet (SA), and not his personal sayings..

If you think that his sayings contradicts with Islam than its your duty to further investigate whether its correct or not ... you should not say that Allah will decide whether your deeds were good or bad at the day of judgment.. of course that's true , but he have provided you Quran and Hadiths which you can study and check whether you are going on the right path or not...

lastly you are not allowed to make decisions on the basis whether a thing it is good for us or not... You have to make decision on the basis that whether Islam permits to do so or not....

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As Muslims we don't have to accept anything. We have minds and the ability to reason and apply logic and rational thought to issues, and based on that ability we should make decisions in the best interests of ourselves, the people.

Whether or not those decisions are correct will be judged in the hereafter by Allah, not by Mullahs in this world.

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I don't get it.

Are you a Pakistani, American or Indian? And why, as a Pakistani, would you like to see Pakistan as a Communist State?

Brother Allah has provided you the Quran and and Prophet (sa) has provided you with his Hadith... If Mullah says anything, it is the words of Allah or Prophet (SA), and not his personal sayings..

If you think that his sayings contradicts with Islam than its your duty to further investigate whether its correct or not ... you should not say that Allah will decide whether your deeds were good or bad at the day of judgment.. of course that's true , but he have provided you Quran and Hadiths which you can study and check whether you are going on the right path or not...

lastly you are not allowed to make decisions on the basis whether a thing it is good for us or not... You have to make decision on the basis that whether Islam permits to do so or not....

 

[Kompromat]

The poll and choices are not structured very well.

For example, why is it assumed that democracy/republic is incompatible with an Islamic State?

Is the thread starter forgetting that the name of the nation we belong to is the 'Islamic Republic of Pakistan' and that under the Pakistani constitution all laws are to be in conformity with Islam?

False choices such as these both impugn democracy and mislead people.

A better way of asking the questions would have been:

Secular democracy

Islamic Democracy

Religious Dictatorship

Monarchy

Military Dictatorship

Communism/one party rule

why dont you replace those unused options in the poll ?

 

[Kompromat]

Rameez the Issue with Sharia is that we dont have people to lead us properly , can you point out even one person ??

I dont see anyone able enough to be "Amir ul Momineen" no one has guts to be one as it is one hell of a responcibility.

Can you expect Zardari to be Like this "even If a dog sleeps hungry in this city it is Umar's reponcibility"

 

[DesiGuy]

I don't get it.

Are you a Pakistani, American or Indian? And why, as a Pakistani, would you like to see Pakistan as a Communist State?[/QUOTE]


I am Indian, but US citizen. lol, don't even know if i still have Indian citizenship as i have never been there.


So as a Pakistan, because since we already have good relations with china, i think communist Pakistan will even have stronger ties with china or even maybe with Russia. In that way, Pakistan will develop more just LIKE china.

Since now Pakistan is democracy, look what their leaders are doing. Puppets of American government? !


Now as an America or Indian, because since Pakistan is one of closest allies to US, being communist will make Pakistan even more closer to China, which US does NOT want to see it happening.


As an Indian. obviously, India would not be happy to see Pakistan becoming communist nation. it will just create more problems as Pakistan and china will come even more closer than today.

 

[Ahmad]

Rameez the Issue with Sharia is that we dont have people to lead us properly , can you point out even one person ??

I dont see anyone able enough to be "Amir ul Momineen" no one has guts to be one as it is one hell of a responcibility.

Can you expect Zardari to be Like this "even If a dog sleeps hungry in this city it is Umar's reponcibility"

we had a self declaref one, but IT was dumped for good.

 

[Ahmad]

I am Indian, but US citizen. lol, don't even know if i still have Indian citizenship as i have never been there. [/B]


So as a Pakistan, because since we already have good relations with china, i think communist Pakistan will even have stronger ties with china or even maybe with Russia. In that way, Pakistan will develop more just LIKE china.

Since now Pakistan is democracy, look what their leaders are doing. Puppets of American government? !


Now as an America or Indian, because since Pakistan is one of closest allies to US, being communist will make Pakistan even more closer to China, which US does NOT want to see it happening.


As an Indian. obviously, India would not be happy to see Pakistan becoming communist nation. it will just create more problems as Pakistan and china will come even more closer than today.

Your english doesnt look like someone who has never seen india and living his entire life in america, secondly, your post is a bit confusing, you claim to be US citizen, having indian origin and then you claim in second paragraph to be Pakistani? what are you? and one more thing, Russia is not communist.

 

[DesiGuy]

Your english doesnt look like someone who has never seen india and living his entire life in america, secondly, your post is a bit confusing, you claim to be US citizen, having indian origin and then you claim in second paragraph to be Pakistani? what are you? and one more thing, Russia is not communist.

who said i have never been to India? i was born in India and than came here in US at the age of about 7. Now i am almost 18.

And no, i my post is not confusing, but you are making it. lol

read me previous post.


By the way, when i type here, i don't even care about my spellings most of the times.

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So as "a" mistake, as an Pakistanis.

how is it now?

 

[honour]

mushi was better than present govt.anyway difficult que

agree to yoy ...pakistan was more of a strong sate under musy...he had army blood in him.....

 

[rameez ahmed]

Thanks for Kind advice , but State and personal religious belief are two different matters.

If you are talking about an Islamic Pakistan with sharia law then Bring me Abu Bakar , Umar ,Usman ,Haider like people to lead this country and i will accept it.

The malookiat in the middle ages has done us a damage that we cant fullfill now.

Do you have any person in Mind able enough to be our "Khalifa"
Dont say zaid hamid

Brother first go and study what exactly is Khalifah and what are the locations that should come under his control to claim Khilafat... that person can claim Khilafat who controls the Hijaz i.e Makkah and Madinah.. Khilafat can't be claimed by any person who is in control of Islamabad.... so Zahid Hamid can't be our khalifah and you can't have khilafat in Pakistan and that is for sure...

Atleast Pakistan states that Sovereignty belongs to Allah and it also state that citizens will be helped to live life according to Islamic teachings.. So if any one objects our living according to teaching of Islam we can Knock the courts for justice.... there is no hurdle in our way if we want to live according to Islam

Secondly if we had Hazrat Abu Bakr (ra) , Hazrat Umar (RA), Hazrat Ali (RA) and Hazrat Usman (RA) in our age then Islam and political system would not have been two Different things as you are saying here ,right.. and they were not two different things at their respective time.... All the Khalifahs used Islam as law (as it said by Allah) during their Khilafat...

The Quran says in Surah Al Nahl " and We sent down the Book (Quran), that this book may explain all things"..

So as muslims we have to follow Islamic Law in every field, that includes Politics as well...

 

[Ahmad]

who said i have never been to India? i was born in India and than came here in US at the age of about 7. Now i am almost 18.

And no, i my post is not confusing, but you are making it. lol

read me previous post.


By the way, when i type here, i don't even care about my spellings most of the times.

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So as "a" mistake, as an Pakistanis.

how is it now?

11 years is a very long time especially if you migrated there in a very young age, BTW, i wasnt talking about spelling.

Lets dont go off topic please.

 

[DesiGuy]

11 years is a very long time especially if you migrated there in a very young age, BTW, i wasnt talking about spelling.

Lets dont go off topic please.

I agree that my English may not be exactly like american. But who cares? lol.

still better than most others!

OK, no more off-topic posts.

 

[rameez ahmed]

Rameez the Issue with Sharia is that we dont have people to lead us properly , can you point out even one person ??

I dont see anyone able enough to be "Amir ul Momineen" no one has guts to be one as it is one hell of a responcibility.

Can you expect Zardari to be Like this "even If a dog sleeps hungry in this city it is Umar's reponcibility"

Brother Holy Prophet said that in the Last age leader of every country will be a Munafiq.. this is applicable anywhere around the world....

So the leader is not important here.. all that is important is that whether you want to change your destiny in hereafter or not.. I am not saying to remove our leaders .. But the thing that can't be done at the Macro level, that can be done at a micro level...

If you can't bring a big change , then atleast bring a small change in your own life and start living according to Islam. Study only One hadith or Quranic ayat and apply it.. Allah will be Happy with you even for this small effort...

thats all I can say brother...

 

[SpArK]

SD...............

 

[fatman17]

how about good, clean and honest governance - is that asking too much!!!

 

[DesiGuy]

how about good, clean and honest governance - is that asking too much!!!

That doesn't exits.