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What kind of governance do you want to see in Pakistan?

What kind of governance do you want to see in Pakistan

  • Democracy / Republic

    Votes: 35 36.8%
  • Islamic State

    Votes: 31 32.6%
  • Military Rule / Dictatorship

    Votes: 11 11.6%
  • Communist State

    Votes: 3 3.2%
  • Feudalism / Tribal System

    Votes: 2 2.1%
  • Monarchy

    Votes: 3 3.2%
  • Socialist

    Votes: 7 7.4%
  • Other

    Votes: 3 3.2%

  • Total voters
    95
To be honest with you, I do not think that our people know what is best for them and have voted for leaders based on their affiliation to a particular ethnic group or let their emotions do the work.

The best we have ever done is under military dictatorship but that has its fair share of problems. I would like to see a neutral party not affiliated with any province that is on good terms with the army and can strenghten our institutions where by a true sense of equality is felt.

The judiciary is gaining strenght, the army is as strong as ever and Gillani is doing well too. I am optimistic that things will turn out to be just fine.
 
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Why not? Without guns,swords or any of those stupid terrorists or suicide bombers.
Just give us the chance to explain islam.
and you will imediatly be muslim.
But its funny how the internet is anti-islam.
While the world getting dominated by islam in reality.

Islam will never be the dominant force in world politics mainly because -

1) There is to much infighting among islamic nations

2) Each Islamic nations calls itself the " Last frontier " or some other name to call itself the flag bearer in the Islamic world.

3) To many poor islamic nations

4) Extremism is quite evident in many Islamic countries.

5) Islam and democracy can almost never work together and without proper democracy you cannot hope to dictate terms on the world stage.
 
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democrazy is never gonna work...too many uneducated people willing to throw away their votes to bhuttos and nawaz and chaudharies

dictatorship will weaken the military and in turn destroy pakistan from inside

Republic ? even tho i voted for democrazy

THIS AN ELITIST VIEW
 
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I vote for Islamic state.
A state where law rules where shariat rules.where every body has equal rights from president to peon or clerk.we want implementation of laws,quick and cheap justice according to quran and sunnat,instead of politicians we want good leaders and administrators.After implementing islamic laws our society moves towards tolerance and harmony.
many members here differ with my opinion i only say one thing to them we don't have problem with laws but with implementation.
why democracy is bad?
because our vote is based on our affiliations.in villages:we vote for person who supports us in police stations and courts.in cities:we vote for person who is good at building roads.our votes are based on personalities but not on ideologies.if one party is going for some good work then other party pull his legs fearing from that if that party done that work then it is end of us.
actually as zaki bro said for islamic system first you have to develop a base.but i think if starts implementing shariat then islamic laws has that much power that they can clean the dirt of society.
 
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I vote for Islamic state.
A state where law rules where shariat rules.where every body has equal rights from president to peon or clerk.we want implementation of laws,quick and cheap justice according to quran and sunnat,instead of politicians we want good leaders and administrators.After implementing islamic laws our society moves towards tolerance and harmony.
many members here differ with my opinion i only say one thing to them we don't have problem with laws but with implementation.
why democracy is bad?
because our vote is based on our affiliations.in villages:we vote for person who supports us in police stations and courts.in cities:we vote for person who is good at building roads.our votes are based on personalities but not on ideologies.if one party is going for some good work then other party pull his legs fearing from that if that party done that work then it is end of us.
actually as zaki bro said for islamic system first you have to develop a base.but i think if starts implementing shariat then islamic laws has that much power that they can clean the dirt of society.


Sharia is the last thing Pakistan needs right now, the world is moving forward not backward. Democracy is the only thing that can save Pakistan, everything else are temporary measures and are bound to fail.
 
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democrazy is never gonna work...too many uneducated people willing to throw away their votes to bhuttos and nawaz and chaudharies

dictatorship will weaken the military and in turn destroy pakistan from inside

Republic ? even tho i voted for democrazy

Many people do not realize that the USA system developed over the 200 years post-Constitutional adoption in 1789. In the beginning the Senate was appointed by the legislatures of each state rather than being elected by the people. People without property could not vote for state legislators in many states. Slaves certainly couldn't vote. The appointed Senate "elite" moderated the laws that were passed by the directly elected House members for many years, until 1913 and the passage of the 17th Amendment. It required the growth of the American middle class over about 120 years for this change to occur.

Also, women did not receive the right to vote until around 1920, when the 19th amendment to the US Constitution was ratified by 3/4 of the states. This was 130 years after the US Constitution was first adopted.

So, it might be that Pakistan would benefit by progressing through a similar experience wherein, at first, there is a directly elected legislature and one that is appointed by the provincial legislatures. The appointed body would need to have some powers that "balance" the elected body until such time as there is the political desire to replace the appointment process with direct elections; i.e., until the Pakistani middle class has developed enough political power to get such a change in the Pakistani constitution ratified.

Of course, the election of the US President also changed over the 200 years from election by "electors" appointed by state legislatures to election by electors that are voted for by all citizens. Again this was a change process that tracked the development of the American middle class into dominance but required amendments to the Constitution, a difficult process requiring a 3/4 vote by the states, to accomplish the changes.

As for women voting, I leave that to you guys. It may be the reverse would be best for Pakistan. That is, at first let only women vote. In time, if the men can convince the women to share the vote, the women can change the constitution to let the men vote .....

The US Constitution, as amended over the past 220 years, is a style of governance with many checks and balances. Its provisions are intended to keep the Federal government from becoming a dictatorship. The amendment process allows changes to be made as societal values change, but the amendment must pass both the House and Senate, be signed by the President and approved (ratified) by 3/4 of the 50 states within a 10 year period. The US Constitution was amended with 10 amendments (the "Bill of Rights") before enough states would vote to approve it at all (in 1789). Since then it has been amended 17 additional times to do things like: elect the president by citizen vote, free the slaves, give everyone in every state equal protection by the Federal Government, levy income taxes, elect Senators by citizen vote in each state, let women vote, prohibit the sale of alcohol, rescind the prohibition on alcohol sales, limit the President to being elected for only two 4-year terms and change the way a new President is chosen if one dies while in office. My point in raising this is that no perfect governance system can be designed that will be good for all times into the future. So the best way is to get one started well but be able to "amend" it, not easily, but when the society feels the overwhelming need to do so.
 
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Women are allowed to vote in Pakistan and i think 60 years has passed its high time GOP grants full autonomy to all provinces just like US States have.AFAIK we had 2 time limit for Prime Minister Post but it was changed during Musharraf era due to Benazir Request and now PM is allowed to have the post for more then 3 times..
 
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Look what hassan nisaar is suggesting, "A benevolent dictator".

 
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Women are allowed to vote in Pakistan and i think 60 years has passed its high time GOP grants full autonomy to all provinces just like US States have.AFAIK we had 2 time limit for Prime Minister Post but it was changed during Musharraf era due to Benazir Request and now PM is allowed to have the post for more then 3 times..

I think Pakistan's provinces have the full autonomy within the state, they can handle internal affairs, they have assembly etc.
 
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anything related to Islam can be voted in Islamic State. These are the sub-categories of Islamic State in my opinion.

And I don't agree with penalty or force in our religion. There is no force in our religion. We cannot force anybody to do something. We can only request, suggest, encourage or recommend something to other Muslims/Non-Muslims and leave the decision to them to accept or reject. Its a matter between them and the God! and if you think Islamic Democratic System is good then what about the Non-Muslims of Pakistan? will they ever agree to such a system? and why?. We Pakistani Muslims are not willing to implement such system let alone Non-Muslim Pakistanis. And why do you think Islamic Decoractic system would be better than Democratic Republic under current circumstances of Pakistan?

I am not saying about penalty for anything on religion.I am saying if a person doesn't vote there should be penalty.This means everyone who has at least passed 12th grade or pays taxes must vote.

As far as non-Muslims are concerned they would have the freedom to practice their religion and can have their own laws.
 
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I am not saying about penalty for anything on religion.I am saying if a person doesn't vote there should be penalty.This means everyone who has at least passed 12th grade or pays taxes must vote.

As far as non-Muslims are concerned they would have the freedom to practice their religion and can have their own laws.

You misunderstood bro,

How can you force peoples to vote? You can only educated them about the importance of casting a vote. You cannot force or penalize them if they don't vote. End of the day it is their own choice and i believe it is incorrect by both Islamically and the constitution of Pakistan. Yes your second suggestion is good that only those peoples are eligible to vote who has passed 12th grade or paying business tax.

@ Topic

Well the polls so for a very satisfactory but i wonder who the hell voted for Monarchy. Who is the descendant of Alexandra or Mughals in our country :lol:
 
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Many people do not realize that the USA system developed over the 200 years post-Constitutional adoption in 1789. In the beginning the Senate was appointed by the legislatures of each state rather than being elected by the people. People without property could not vote for state legislators in many states. Slaves certainly couldn't vote. The appointed Senate "elite" moderated the laws that were passed by the directly elected House members for many years, until 1913 and the passage of the 17th Amendment. It required the growth of the American middle class over about 120 years for this change to occur.

Also, women did not receive the right to vote until around 1920, when the 19th amendment to the US Constitution was ratified by 3/4 of the states. This was 130 years after the US Constitution was first adopted.

So, it might be that Pakistan would benefit by progressing through a similar experience wherein, at first, there is a directly elected legislature and one that is appointed by the provincial legislatures. The appointed body would need to have some powers that "balance" the elected body until such time as there is the political desire to replace the appointment process with direct elections; i.e., until the Pakistani middle class has developed enough political power to get such a change in the Pakistani constitution ratified.

Of course, the election of the US President also changed over the 200 years from election by "electors" appointed by state legislatures to election by electors that are voted for by all citizens. Again this was a change process that tracked the development of the American middle class into dominance but required amendments to the Constitution, a difficult process requiring a 3/4 vote by the states, to accomplish the changes.

As for women voting, I leave that to you guys. It may be the reverse would be best for Pakistan. That is, at first let only women vote. In time, if the men can convince the women to share the vote, the women can change the constitution to let the men vote .....

The US Constitution, as amended over the past 220 years, is a style of governance with many checks and balances. Its provisions are intended to keep the Federal government from becoming a dictatorship. The amendment process allows changes to be made as societal values change, but the amendment must pass both the House and Senate, be signed by the President and approved (ratified) by 3/4 of the 50 states within a 10 year period. The US Constitution was amended with 10 amendments (the "Bill of Rights") before enough states would vote to approve it at all (in 1789). Since then it has been amended 17 additional times to do things like: elect the president by citizen vote, free the slaves, give everyone in every state equal protection by the Federal Government, levy income taxes, elect Senators by citizen vote in each state, let women vote, prohibit the sale of alcohol, rescind the prohibition on alcohol sales, limit the President to being elected for only two 4-year terms and change the way a new President is chosen if one dies while in office. My point in raising this is that no perfect governance system can be designed that will be good for all times into the future. So the best way is to get one started well but be able to "amend" it, not easily, but when the society feels the overwhelming need to do so.

US democracy has evolved over a couple of centuries.

Alexander Hamilton, a founding father of the United States, used to say that "masses are *****" and the voting rights were limited to white landed elite. Blacks, women and poor were excluded from voting or holding office.
 
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Honestly, me and most other non-Partisan Pakistani don't care if our government is Democratic, Communist, Military, Sharai or any other as long as we get the basic stuff. Flour, Electricty, Water, etc.
During Pervez Musharraf's rule we had all that, we were Asia's best place to invest from 2004 to 2006 and the world's best investment destination for 2006/07.
Zardari said, "Democracy is the ultimate revenge", When he came to power, i got what he meant, 12 hours of power outages, no water, flour shortages and over 60% inflation, not to mention he put us back under the foot of the IMF.
I guess the most development we have seen is during military periods of rule:
Field Marshal Ayub Khan: Green Revolution and a growth rate of 7% per annum, 3 times that of India at the time.
Gen. Zia-ul-Haq: Highest GNP in the world, although we suffered later as a result of his policies.
Gen.Pervez Musharraf: Pakistan's economy hits heights previously unimagined.
So I guess it all boils down to this: For me, Military rule.
 
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Hello,

I was wondering we have members from all 4 provinces and 4 territories of Pakistan with diversifed views and ideology so it would be nice to see some interesting stats of the following question.

What kind of state/governance do you want to see in Pakistan? Please provide an answer with reasons to back your claim. I know this poll is not going to change anything in Pakistan but it would be nice to see an opinion of the peoples of Pakistan and i would request indian/non-Pakistani members to only participate in this thread and please do not vote. I just want to see the polls voted by Pakistanis only.

And please, please, please do not make it another Islamic/Religious or flaming thread.

1) Democracy / Republic
2) Islamic State
3) Military Rule / Dictatorship
4) Communist State
5) Feudalism / Tribal System
6) Monarchy
7) Socialist
8) Others

sir, i would really like to see a strong government in pakistan under the leadership of Mr. Shah Mahmood Qureshi,current foreign minister...he is smart,capable, and stronger than the good for nothing mr jardari
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