What is your thoughts of Iraq how do you see Iraq

[925boy]

A bit like how some used to say that american economic pressure would prevent Pakistan from becoming a nuclear weapons state?......... Want us to believe in American altruism?.......when you are weak Muslims, the americans will crush you. When you can do them something, they back off. The Iraqis, Afghans, Syrians and Libyans will testify to this fact.......

You also have China, which can use its huge economic power to rescue you guys. China loves Pakistan even though its colonizing it economically.

 

[Numerous]

Link is about ERU (emergency response units) of the interior ministry. Unit was headed by an officer of Sunni background, you can find that info on the documentary made by Ali Arkady on Youtube. No rape has been mentioned or documented, torture and execution yes but not rape.

Yes the ERU is a special branch units. And yes the soldier group includes people of sunni origin for PR purposes, nothing more. They probably recruited a few scum with sunni names and added them in. Governments around the world use this method. It's one of those scenarios where a racist will hire a black guy just so it looks good and he can then say "I'm not racist, I have xyz black guy in my political party/factory/etc".

You didn't read the page properly did you? If you go through it properly, you'll see that there is a video showing the attempted rape of a sunni woman by one of the soldiers. The scum who tried to rape her told his fellow soldiers that he stopped because she was on her period.

I am not trying to be harsh towards you so I apologise if it seems so. I know you do not have anything to do with the crimes of such evil men or your politicians or army.

 

[Malik Alashter]

I see Iraq as puppy of Iran.

I see Pakistan as puppy of a puppy
Go get lost

 

[Saddam Hussein]

Yes the ERU is a special branch units. And yes the soldier group includes people of sunni origin for PR purposes, nothing more. They probably recruited a few scum with sunni names and added them in. Governments around the world use this method. It's one of those scenarios where a racist will hire a black guy just so it looks good and he can then say "I'm not racist, I have xyz black guy in my political party/factory/etc".

You didn't read the page properly did you? If you go through it properly, you'll see that there is a video showing the attempted rape of a sunni woman by one of the soldiers. The scum who tried to rape her told his fellow soldiers that he stopped because she was on her period.

I am not trying to be harsh towards you so I apologise if it seems so. I know you do not have anything to do with the crimes of such evil men or your politicians or army.

No haven't gone through the page, but rape should be punished severely if that's what happened/was attempted. That's not a question of sect, terrorists use such things to create tension to exploit chaos. I personally don't agree with torture, but then again i'm not the one seeing my friends/family burnt and beheaded in front of me so it's easy for me to say. In the end it should not be systematic, and these incidents are not systematic but separate cases which is unapproved by the top command.

 

[Numerous]

No haven't gone through the page, but rape should be punished severely if that's what happened/was attempted. That's not a question of sect, terrorists use such things to create tension to exploit chaos. I personally don't agree with torture, but then again i'm not the one seeing my friends/family burnt and beheaded in front of me so it's easy for me to say. In the end it should not be systematic, and these incidents are not systematic but separate cases which is unapproved by the top command.

I think it is a question of sect. For example, when the shia militias who are aligned with the Iraqi army take back an area/city, they have a habit of going on murder/torture spree on the local sunni population.

I'm afraid the "terrorists use such things to create tension..." line is not really true at all. That line is just used to cover up for a lot of Iraqi army + militia war crimes. There is literally no difference between the Iraqi army or militias and ISIS, they're all terrorists but they just belong to different sects.

I think the murder and torture is systematic and widespread. There are many many more articles about their crimes, one article I read a few months even featured officers who were quite happy to talk about murder and torture. One of them even commented on one his soldiers commiting rape "Oh that soldier also got a woman...but she wasn't very good looking".

As long as Iraq is influenced by Iran, they will remain like this.

 

[Saddam Hussein]

I think it is a question of sect. For example, when the shia militias who are aligned with the Iraqi army take back an area/city, they have a habit of going on murder/torture spree on the local sunni population.

Few such cases/accusations made, but largely unproven and the opposite was shown. Incidents were not on a large-scale, not systematic.

I'm afraid the "terrorists use such things to create tension..." line is not really true at all. That line is just used to cover up for a lot of Iraqi army + militia war crimes. There is literally no difference between the Iraqi army or militias and ISIS, they're all terrorists but they just belong to different sects.

To call the national army terrorists is not up to you, you're a foreigner. Good luck selling that to Sunnis who got saved by the army lol.

I think the murder and torture is systematic and widespread. There are many many more articles about their crimes, one article I read a few months even featured officers who were quite happy to talk about murder and torture. One of them even commented on one his soldiers commiting rape "Oh that soldier also got a woman...but she wasn't very good looking".

Don't think.

Articles... because Iraq surely has never been caught up in a shit storm of propaganda or sides lobbying in Washington DC to change the US narrative on Iraq. (Sarcasm).

 

[LeGenD]

I see Pakistan as puppy of a puppy
Go get lost

Do you think that Iranian members here are the key to establishing straightforward relations between the two countries? Iran is a big country with cross-border ambitions. Iranians already have a say in Iraqi affairs because there isn't a shortage of Iranian stooges in Iraq, like this or not. They have a presence in Yemen, Syria and Lebanon as well - and each of those countries are in a state of crisis. Beware of their brainwashing efforts. One of the members here already trying to convince you that US created ISIS and Iranian militias made it possible for you guys to rout it - all nonsense.

How ISIS came into being? Doesn't take much to figure out: http://www.history.com/topics/isis

Post-invasion conditions coupled with sectarian strife within Iraq enabled infamous Al-Qaeda Network to establish its presence in Iraq and take advantage. This network morphed into ISIS in 2006 but it expanded a great deal under the leadership of Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi (an Iraqi citizen).

People seriously underestimated the potential of Al-Qaeda Network in spreading its tentacles around the world, and paid a horrible price for it. Many scratch there head when they learn about exploits of Al-Qaeda Network in different countries because they are normally brainwashed into perceiving every major development as a conspiracy of CIA-MOSSAD-RAW-WAHHABI nexus.

Another reality is that your country would not have succeeded in stopping ISIS without comprehensive American support (i.e. Operation Inherent Resolve). US have played a major role in eradicating Al-Qaeda Network (and its offshoots) across the world since 2001; anybody who assume otherwise, needs to get his head examined. Pakistani military establishment also worked with US to take out scores of Al-Qaeda operatives inside Pakistan before they could inflict major damage. Al-Qaeda devils are responsible for many terrorist incidents inside Pakistan just like in your country.

Now, US isn't a saint either. They try to shape other countries to their image, and have a multi-billion dollar arms industry to keep afloat. They closed the chapter of Saddam Hussein but their invasion opened another chapter of violence and misery in your country which is really unfortunate.

On a positive note, US made it possible for your country to get rid of Saddam (and his cronies) and gave your country a taste of democracy. Your country have a golden opportunity to capitalize on this opportunity, and establish a lasting democracy in your country. Only you guys can make it work in the long-term.

Nevertheless, beware of ambitions of foreign powers in general. Learn to keep them at bay through diplomatic as well as level-headed threatening measures; do not play into hands of any country in the long-term.

You guys are very capable and can stand on your feet once again, IMO. All the best.

 

[Numerous]

Few such cases/accusations made, but largely unproven and the opposite was shown. Incidents were not on a large-scale, not systematic.

Lol yes of course. I'm sure everyone who accuses the Iraqi army or the shia militias of crimes is just mistaken. All the witness testimonies, videos of crimes, Iraqi army/shia militias themselves boasting of their crimes, is all just fake. Yeh right.

Wake up. You're living in a dream world.

To call the national army terrorists is not up to you, you're a foreigner. Good luck selling that to Sunnis who got saved by the army lol.

You made this thread on a forum full of foreigners. Don't expect people from other countries to be blind and ignore the crimes of your army. And yes your army is full to the brim with terrorists.

I've seen some Iraqi sunnis. Perhaps they can't speak out against the army in fear in Iraq but they certainly are very vocal against it in other nations where the Iraqi army or the militias can't kill them. Most of them hate your army and your shia militia allies.

Don't think.

Maybe if you did some thinking it would help you understand your own country better.

Articles... because Iraq surely has never been caught up in a shit storm of propaganda or sides lobbying in Washington DC to change the US narrative on Iraq. (Sarcasm).

Yeh I imagine in your mind, the thought process goes like this :

The iraqi army gets caught doing something bad = it's just propaganda guys, it's not real.

Same source says ISIS did something bad = ISIS are terrorists, I believe this article 1000%.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

You also have China, which can use its huge economic power to rescue you guys. China loves Pakistan even though its colonizing it economically.

Sure it is. Must be the new East india Company. Well thank God the Chinese are not the British nor are Pakistanis indian.

 

[Malik Alashter]

Do you think that Iranian members here are the key to establishing straightforward relations between the two countries? Iran is a big country with cross-border ambitions. Iranians already have a say in Iraqi affairs because there isn't a shortage of Iranian stooges in Iraq, like this or not. They have a presence in Yemen, Syria and Lebanon as well - and each of those countries are in a state of crisis. Beware of their brainwashing efforts. One of the members here already trying to convince you that US created ISIS and Iranian militias made it possible for you guys to rout it - all nonsense.

How ISIS came into being? Doesn't take much to figure out: http://www.history.com/topics/isis

Post-invasion conditions coupled with sectarian strife within Iraq enabled infamous Al-Qaeda Network to establish its presence in Iraq and take advantage. This network morphed into ISIS in 2006 but it expanded a great deal under the leadership of Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi (an Iraqi citizen).

People seriously underestimated the potential of Al-Qaeda Network in spreading its tentacles around the world, and paid a horrible price for it. Many scratch there head when they learn about exploits of Al-Qaeda Network in different countries because they are normally brainwashed into perceiving every major development as a conspiracy of CIA-MOSSAD-RAW-WAHHABI nexus.

Another reality is that your country would not have succeeded in stopping ISIS without comprehensive American support (i.e. Operation Inherent Resolve). US have played a major role in eradicating Al-Qaeda Network (and its offshoots) across the world since 2001; anybody who assume otherwise, needs to get his head examined. Pakistani military establishment also worked with US to take out scores of Al-Qaeda operatives inside Pakistan before they could inflict major damage. Al-Qaeda devils are responsible for many terrorist incidents inside Pakistan just like in your country.

Now, US isn't a saint either. They try to shape other countries to their image, and have a multi-billion dollar arms industry to keep afloat. They closed the chapter of Saddam Hussein but their invasion opened another chapter of violence and misery in your country which is really unfortunate.

On a positive note, US made it possible for your country to get rid of Saddam (and his cronies) and gave your country a taste of democracy. Your country have a golden opportunity to capitalize on this opportunity, and establish a lasting democracy in your country. Only you guys can make it work in the long-term.

Nevertheless, beware of ambitions of foreign powers in general. Learn to keep them at bay through diplomatic as well as level-headed threatening measures; do not play into hands of any country in the long-term.

You guys are very capable and can stand on your feet once again, IMO. All the best.

Look I don't care what Iranians or Americans say or trying to say
I don't deny the fact that Iran has political presence in Iraq
I don't deny that The US has presence in Iraq
I don't deny the Fact that Turkey has presence in Iraq
also I don't deny that Saudi has presence in Iraq

But also You and I can't deny that the success of ISIS in Iraq would transfer into trouble in Iran do you think they will turn their back into an enemy next door?but wait who would benefit of war between New Iraq and Iran?

I know like million Iraqis when Obama during those moments turn his back on us and start ordering us to make changes one of them was putting Almaliky out of office not only that they didn't even supply the Abrams with amo based to iraqis politicians those days?
while we face the enemy at the gate our ally the Americans wants changes?!.

Well you should hear Trump about who created ISIS

You have to know this we are Iraqis and we are very proud of our country and you should know we wont accept any one none Iraqi to have word on us period whether that Iran The US or Turkey
Yes the Sunni stooges the sectarian one of them Yes they're ready to shake hands and to give their behind to the devil if that givem power back in Iraq?!!! and guess who would love to see sunnis in Power in Iraq? yes you right these are willing to see us the shiite of Iraq oppressed

Now Pakistan the mighty super power the nuke nation is a puppy to whom yes say it ........good boy
Saudis
Qataris
Emirates

and these are puppy to whom you know it...... We with all the chaos we had and left over of it we still a puppet of no one and trust me no one

One more thing your masters after they shot with all their arrows they got now they have nothing but to kiss our hands .

And please wait you'll see that we will rule this region on the spite of any one who hate us

 

[Saddam Hussein]

Lol yes of course. I'm sure everyone who accuses the Iraqi army or the shia militias of crimes is just mistaken. All the witness testimonies, videos of crimes, Iraqi army/shia militias themselves boasting of their crimes, is all just fake. Yeh right.

Wake up. You're living in a dream world.

Like I said, separate cased, isolated incidents, non-systematic and largely minor crimes. I've followed the Iraq situation far closer than you have, you can call me biased but you have nothing to prove otherwise. Articles LOL, I can write one myself. HRW accuses nearly everyone for your information. Kurds are crying 'genocide' about the ISF all day.

You made this thread on a forum full of foreigners. Don't expect people from other countries to be blind and ignore the crimes of your army. And yes your army is full to the brim with terrorists.

NOT MY GODDAMN THREAD

Yes, we're terrorists, what can you do about it other than support IS. We've got a Shi'a hating guy here what is new.

I've seen some Iraqi sunnis. Perhaps they can't speak out against the army in fear in Iraq but they certainly are very vocal against it in other nations where the Iraqi army or the militias can't kill them. Most of them hate your army and your shia militia allies.

Maybe if you did some thinking it would help you understand your own country better.

Yeh I imagine in your mind, the thought process goes like this :

The iraqi army gets caught doing something bad = it's just propaganda guys, it's not real.

Same source says ISIS did something bad = ISIS are terrorists, I believe this article 1000%.

Thank you foreigner, I didn't know that. I've got my opinions about the Sunnis and Shias but it will get me banned, I think i'm going to steal some Sunni homes today.

 

[Tokhme khar]

What absolutely shits me the most is after all the massive damage (political and cultural) caused by the Anglo West to these Sunni countries, centuries of defacto occupation, and the continued on going neo-colonial domination of them to this day, we have Sunni people here supporting it!

Unbelievable!.....lol

 

[Malik Alashter]

We've got a Shi'a hating guy here what is new

You really made me laugh out loud...... I am not a hatred guy here I just defend my own people against people who are hatred and sectarian to the bone

You can cry as hi and as long as you want

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