What is the biggest threat to Pakistan?

[Indus Pakistan]

No need to comment,its my opinion and i stand by it.

As a Turk you can see the problem better then 80% of Pakistani's. Your summary is bullseye. For me it's painful. You can see the problem but there is no way you can do anything about it. It's too big.

1-Lack of national identity/patriotism led to,

Pakistan is a country. A passport. But zero national identity. One minute for me everything feels 'Indian' and the next minute some sort of global Islamic hybrid and at other times parochial identities all conflicting and colliding in non stop explosions .....

secularism isn’t an option up there?

By locking up sob's like Rizvi and mullahs like him is a threat? Says lot about you. When a secularist explodes himself in Karachi or secular mobs bring Pakistan to a stop let me know ...

 

[Yankee-stani]

As a Turk you can see the problem better then 80% of Pakistani's. Your summary is bullseye. For me it's painful. You can see the problem but there is no way you can do anything about it. It's too big.

Pakistan is a country. A passport. But zero national identity. One minute for me it everything feels 'Indian' and the next minute some sort of global Islamic hybrid and at other times parochial identities all conflicting and colliding in non stop explosions .....

By locking up sob's like Rizvi and mullahs like him is a threat? Says lot about you. When a secularist explodes himself in Karachi or secular mobs bring Pakistan to a stop let me know ...

If only the PPP did not took over in the 1970s

 

[T-123456]

Question for Turkish members how does Erdogan gets checked when he says some things that go against Kemalism and the Turkish norms set during the formation of the Republic

As you might have seen(Turkish news outlets or the Turkish section on the forum) he did do that and lost the support of the people and even members of his party,he made a U-turn and mentioned Ataturk and his legacy at every public meetin/event/gathering.
You just cant touch the ideals of Atatürk,you wont last long as a politician or leader in my country.

 

[Yankee-stani]

As you might have seen(Turkish news outlets or the Turkish section on the forum) he did do that and lost the support of the people and even members of his party,he made a U-turn and mentioned Ataturk and his legacy at every public meetin/event/gathering.
You just cant touch the ideals of Atatürk,you wont last long as a politician or leader in my country.

That's good I hope the big Ego Erdogan is thrown out of power he is not helping your country forget the Pakistanis who like him I think he needs to bring back to senses I hope once he gone Turkey moves to the center

 

[Indus Pakistan]

As you might have seen(Turkish news outlets or the Turkish section on the forum) he did do that and lost the support of the people and even members of his party,he made a U-turn and mentioned Ataturk and his legacy at every public meetin/event/gathering.
You just cant touch the ideals of Atatürk,you wont last long as a politician or leader in my country.

Whose image is that behind Erdogan?

 

[Yankee-stani]

lost the support of the people and even members of his party,he made a U-turn and mentioned Ataturk and his legacy at every public meetin/event/gathering.
You just cant touch the ideals of Atatürk,you wont last long as a politician or leader in my country.

I wish the CHP wasnt full of idiots, The AKP is weird mish mosh of Center Right and Islamists but nothing compared to the shitty wahhabist parties Pak has HDP is full of Kurdish idiots

Whose image is that behind Erdogan?

I mean IK has a portrait of Jinnah behind him but I get your point however I recall some years ago some wahhabi idiot in some Turkish backwater town tried pulling down a Ataturk statue and he got his *** whoppped

 

[Indus Pakistan]

And what is this about??

Turkey in radical revision of Islamic texts


By Robert Pigott
Religious affairs correspondent, BBC News

The scholars say they are returning to the original values of Islam
Turkey is preparing to publish a document that represents a revolutionary reinterpretation of Islam - and a controversial and radical modernisation of the religion.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7264903.stm

 

[T-123456]

That's good I hope the big Ego Erdogan is thrown out of power he is not helping your country forget the Pakistanis who like him I think he needs to bring back to senses I hope once he gone Turkey moves to the center

Dont worry about it,nobody can change my country.
We are waiting for a real leader and until then we do the best with what we have,there is no real alternative,yet.

 

[Shah_G]

Just to clarify something here. Mullahism is not a new problem. When people talk about Islam and wish for Calipha they ignore some hard facts. After the demise of the Prophet [PBUH] we only saw 30 years, yes exactly 30 years of Rashidun rule or the rightly guided Caliphs. That all ended in blood and gore in 661CE and for the last 1,357 years to this day the Islamic world has been continously divided and not be able to agree on one rule or one interpretation of Islam. Indeed as centuries have piled on since 661CE we have become more divided, more interpretations and more bloodshed.

Moral of the fcukin story? You learn fro history. You learn from failure. You learn from catastrophe. Meaning you don't repeat the same mistake again and again. It's about time religion was restricted to the provate sphere and Mullahism is erased. Or we will continue on the path of division, dischord, sectarianism, schisms for eternity. What does 661 CE to 2018 teach us.

Instead of looking at China the only hope for Pakistan is Kemal Ataturk. He sussed this out in 1920s and laid the future of modern Turkey. Pakistan needs to do the same or more generations will suffer in poverty and ignorance.

As a Turk you can see the problem better then 80% of Pakistani's. Your summary is bullseye. For me it's painful. You can see the problem but there is no way you can do anything about it. It's too big.

Pakistan is a country. A passport. But zero national identity. One minute for me everything feels 'Indian' and the next minute some sort of global Islamic hybrid and at other times parochial identities all conflicting and colliding in non stop explosions .....

By locking up sob's like Rizvi and mullahs like him is a threat? Says lot about you. When a secularist explodes himself in Karachi or secular mobs bring Pakistan to a stop let me know ...

Well I voted Israel, India and Mullahism.

B I’m just saying secularist are bent to destroy the ideology and foundation of Pakistan. So that’s a threat to a country.

 

[Yankee-stani]

And what is this about??

Turkey in radical revision of Islamic texts


By Robert Pigott
Religious affairs correspondent, BBC News

The scholars say they are returning to the original values of Islam
Turkey is preparing to publish a document that represents a revolutionary reinterpretation of Islam - and a controversial and radical modernisation of the religion.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7264903.stm

Article is from 2008 when Erdogan was Prime Minister

 

[313ghazi]

Is this Pakistani exceptionalism then? It worked for Turks, Chinese, Japs., South Koreans etc but we apparently have three legs and four eyes ....

You make it sound like they all had the same formula for success. They didn't - they each had approaches that were appropriate for thier society. The Japanese approach is completely different to China.

In fact the only similarity is that all approaches included some abandonment of traditional culture.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

B I’m just saying secularist are bent to destroy the ideology and foundation of Pakistan. So that’s a threat to a country.

Do you even know what they are? Hanging poor Christian women, corruption, poverty, migrating to USA/West to have decent life, blowing each other because their religious views are differant, being perpetually bankrupt, not paying taxes etc.

Did I miss anything ?

 

[T-123456]

I wish the CHP wasnt full of idiots, The AKP is weird mish mosh of Center Right and Islamists but nothing compared to the shitty wahhabist parties Pak has HDP is full of Kurdish idiots

The CHP is full of PKK supporters,the leader is one of them,the AKP is also infiltrated but Erdogan knows this,he uses them when needed.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Article is from 2008 when Erdogan was Prime Minister

Read @T-123456 post about Erdogan and Ataturk please.

 

[Yankee-stani]

Dont worry about it,nobody can change my country.
We are waiting for a real leader and until then we do the best with what we have,there is no real alternative,yet.

I am not worried tbh I know many Turks here in the States and will go back if s..t hits the fan there problem is in the West there is nasty political game against Turkey and a lot of propaganda these days many of these "Alt Right" Right wing nut jobs think Turkey is ISIS and blah blah and muh Angel Kurds however the CHP needs to grow some balls and become a nationalist party it once was not this neo liberal bull s...t