What if there would be no US or UN?

[Dubious]

That's what I said - the delinking will take a long while till then there will be utter chaos - and the transition wouldn't be smooth at all, and there's no guarantee that an effective or workable option will come in place.

So we are talking about a sudden zap no USA?! or had US never won the war?

 

[illusion8]

So we are talking about a sudden zap no USA?! or had US never won the war?

The OP's second question - which is...

OK then, Let's assume from tomorrow morning when you woke up, you find that there is no US!!. I think a lot of countries will be worried lot....isn't it?

 

[rockstar08]

USA not doing any saintly work in Arab countries? - from whose perspective? you ask me not to judge and you go ahead and judge yourself?

I can safely assume that the Germans would have run through Europe, Africa and Arabia and the Japanese would have run through most of Asia if it wasn't for the US entering the scene in WW2, as for nuking Japan - that was in direct retaliation to the pearl harbor attack.

in every aspect .. I agree usa are fighting a war on so called Terror , but lots of innocent civilians are also dying .....go and do some research ...

plus what germans do was yet have to be seen but what usa do was not good ... a almost finished war with japan , and they use atomic bomb way after the pearl harbor incident ..

 

[Dubious]

The OP's second question - which is...

OK then, Let's assume from tomorrow morning when you woke up, you find that there is no US!!. I think a lot of countries will be worried lot....isn't it?

Ok then I agree with you...but still think that someone or another will be able to handle it coz if there is no US we are not linked to nothingness...so there wont be chaos if you are linked to nothing...prob everyone will be having their own currency or we will be trading in gold

 

[illusion8]

in every aspect .. I agree usa are fighting a war on so called Terror , but lots of innocent civilians are also dying .....go and do some research ...

plus what germans do was yet have to be seen but what usa do was not good ... a almost finished war with japan , and they use atomic bomb way after the pearl harbor incident ..

You need to do some research buddy - Japanese were relentless - the attack of pearl harbor boosted them even more. The only way the Americans could force the Japanese to back down was a nuke attack - the Japanese bowed out of the war in a week's time after that.

AS for "what germans do was yet to be seen" - how many lives do you think was lost during the world wars? or how many jews and Russians were killed during that time?

I can safely assume that the rampage would have continued - the germans dreamt of world supremacy and would have run through many countries if they hadn't lost.

Ok then I agree with you...but still think that someone or another will be able to handle it coz if there is no US we are not linked to nothingness...so there wont be chaos if you are linked to nothing...prob everyone will be having their own currency or we will be trading in gold

Nice point - though let me give you a small example - what happens to the vast dollar reserves that each country hold to - and uses for trade? what do countries do with that much worthless paper and how would someone quantify it or get compensated or get replacements for it? what would they use to buy stuff if suddenly they realize that they have nil reserves?

Or, what would happen to the long term or short term trade deals that countries and corporations have entered into that is solely based on the exchange of dollars as currency?

 

[rockstar08]

You need to do some research buddy - Japanese were relentless - the attack of pearl harbor boosted them even more. The only way the Americans could force the Japanese to back down was a nuke attack - the Japanese bowed out of the war in a week's time after that.

AS for "what germans do was yet to be seen" - how many lives do you think was lost during the world wars? or how many jews and Russians were killed during that time?

I can safely assume that the rampage would have continued - the germans dreamt of world supremacy and would have run through many countries if they hadn't lost.

you can judge on future assumptions that germans will kill peoples so you are justifying killings from usa ?? what a nice theory you have....
and lots of peoples think that war can be over without nuking japan .. they not kill but destroyed lives of many humans

 

[illusion8]

you can judge on future assumptions that germans will kill peoples so you are justifying killings from usa ?? what a nice theory you have....
and lots of peoples think that war can be over without nuking japan .. they not kill but destroyed lives of many humans

If you haven't noticed it - this thread and topic is solely based on assumptions @thesolar65.

The defeat of Japan saved countless Asian lives - Chinese and Indian as well.

 

[Dubious]

Nice point - though let me give you a small example - what happens to the vast dollar reserves that each country hold to - and uses for trade? what do countries do with that much worthless paper and how would someone quantify it or get compensated or get replacements for it? what would they use to buy stuff if suddenly they realize that they have nil reserves?

Or, what would happen to the long term or short term trade deals that countries and corporations have entered into that is solely based on the exchange of dollars as currency?

Like I said if US didnt exist there would be something else people would be using, right? Gold maybe ...

I would prefer all trade to be divided and never to give absolute trade powers to 1 country...it makes it too powerful to topple and also makes it obnoxious that it causes too much chaos like it is doing now!

 

[illusion8]

Like I said if US didnt exist there would be something else people would be using, right? Gold maybe ...

You are mixing up two things Madam..the Op's first assumption was what if there wasn't a US and UN and the second was what if the US suddenly disappears tomorrow morning.

Both will have different ramifications.

I would prefer all trade to be divided and never to give absolute trade powers to 1 country...it makes it too powerful to topple and also makes it obnoxious that it causes too much chaos like it is doing now!

I believe we are moving towards that - the world will become a multi polar world in a few decades and so will the dependence on the dollar.

 

[rockstar08]

If you haven't noticed it - this thread and topic is solely based on assumptions @thesolar65.

The defeat of Japan saved countless Asian lives - Chinese and Indian as well.

sir jee I am not saying that madness which german and japnese created not been stopped , what I am saying that using of Nuke was wrong decision by usa ... by the time they use nuke , germans already surrender ... its just matter of time japan would also surrender

 

[illusion8]

sir jee I am not saying that madness which german and japnese created not been stopped , what I am saying that using of Nuke was wrong decision by usa ... by the time they use nuke , germans already surrender ... its just matter of time japan would also surrender

So we are back to the original point of - what if the US hadn't entered the world war from the allied side, Germans most likely wouldn't have lost then.

 

[Dubious]

You are mixing up two things Madam..the Op's first assumption was what if there wasn't a US and UN and the second was what if the US suddenly disappears tomorrow morning.

Both will have different ramifications.

Ok lets take the latter...If it suddenly disappears...then the world having to come to its common term (without US- since US disappeared meaning it doesnt exist but world exists) so it will continue to exist as it had...say US suddenly sinks overnight...well, then yes it will be chaotic because the world reserves will take plunge!

I believe we are moving towards that - the world will become a multi polar world in a few decades and so will the dependence on the dollar.

ok...I dont know what to believe world is soo dynamic...you place your money on 1 thing another boom happens

So we are back to the original point of - what if the US hadn't entered the world war from the allied side, Germans most likely wouldn't have lost then.

True...neither would the Japanese...they never had the bomb coming so they never lost everything....Germany would have demolished most of UK....and USSR would still be at the top prob growing more so!

 

[illusion8]

Ok lets take the latter...If it suddenly disappears...then the world having to come to its common term (without US- since US disappeared meaning it doesnt exist but world exists) so it will continue to exist as it had...say US suddenly sinks overnight...well, then yes it will be chaotic because the world reserves will take plunge!

Of course - we would have adopted, we would have come up with alternatives - what I say is that till that time the world economy would go haywire. There would be utter chaos in all financial markets. All trade deals would be null and void.
How does one pay for global shipping, global services, exports and imports? how does one come up with another universal currency that is acceptable to all countries immediately?

 

[Dubious]

Of course - we would have adopted, we would have come up with alternatives - what I say is that till that time the world economy would go haywire. There would be utter chaos in all financial markets. All trade deals would be null and void.
How does one pay for global shipping, global services, exports and imports? how does one come up with another universal currency that is acceptable to all countries immediately?

We should have a neutral currency for all countries so no one becomes an unstoppable giant!

Or currencies like we have now but a neutral one for trade!

 

[boomslang]

I would LOVE for the U.S. to quit the U.N., toss them out of N.Y., bulldoze the site and make it a park with a monument to how the U.N. sucked.