What if there would be no US or UN?

[Dubious]

Yeah due to contribution of U.S.A there.

US only managed to come to the top by inviting people from Europe who ran away due to failure during world war...Do you think USA had the people required to boost it up had Europe not fallen?

In USA you will still find segregation where people from UK came in you will see the streets named similar to that in UK, where Germans flooded in you will see German named cities and streets same with Dutch, French and the same with Spanish as well as the Arabs....and so on...

So if there was no USA there would be no UN...the power would be either Germany, Japan or Russia (hence no toppling USSR) so the same who migrated to USA would have gone to any of these countries...However, we cant know if these countries have a similar policy as that of USA...who seem to backstab anyone who says a no after a long yes term (eg. Sadam, Ghadaffi, Mubarak and so on)!

Russia never had an influence in Africa at least not a strong one...Had Africa been left alone by the USA, it might have hit top or even worse broken into more fragments...Australia which floats from kissing American *** would still be home to criminals shipped from British empire...and the UK which kisses American *** for the support during WW2 would prob be a smaller and quieter nation still trying to stabilize Scotland and Wales and not to forget Ireland ...

What would it mean for Aisa....well, we would have given in to either USSR or to Germany or even Japan...But the Japanese of WW2 were brutal they were literally barbarians who just killed and raped (at least history shows them that way) no idea how they are now...not sure how China would have dealt with them....

 

[DarkElf]

Germans and Japanese were highly innovative - so were the Europeans.

Innovative yes, but without the backing of US, either USSR/Nazi will win the WW2. If Nazi win in long term all of us Asian will be 2'nd caste in Nazi polar world, if USSR win, European will be under their thumb, considering how 'advanced' USSR dominate country in everyday technology, i doubt European can unleash their creativity.

OK then, Let's assume from tomorrow morning when you woke up, you find that there is no US!!. I think a lot of countries will be worried lot....isn't it?



Please no one liner. You have to explain also.

With Russia and China track record of annexation and sinicization / Russification, it will be free for all world, everyone will try to get nuke. US also invaded country but it's been long time since they try to annex anything, at worse they invade and replace the regime.

Like it or not for superpower, US is relative benign as long as no one poke them and most of the time all they ask for their security guaranteed and back up is trade.

 

[livingdead]

The world would be a much better place. The natural order of life on Earth until the past few thousand years, has been extremely small scale communities with a localized, environment-based economy. That's why despite their faults, I consider freedom fighters during independence true visionaries for their rejection of feudalism and advocating a return to self sufficient, village-based panchayat raj that existed before Islam invaded India. Too bad Nehru rejected it and followed the path of extreme inequality, a.k.a crony capitalism.

These giant tentacles of supranationalism will be cut one day to restore the balance of earth. Just hope it occurs without bloody revolutions or a nuclear winter.

this sounds cute but not practical, it would have locked us in perpetual poverty and low on technology. Thanks to nehru we are still here.

 

[Dubious]

Well, personally I can only think of tomorrow. See, Russia will gobble up all the previous USSR in quick succession. China will do whatever now is threatening to do. There will be total chaos in middle east with each county at each others throat. Europe as whole will be turned into a fortress.There will be financial chaos as you said. This is the little I can expect (I am no expert, just gathered my knowledge after being here)

Actually most of the chaos was fueled with American help...Saddam, Ghadaffi and Mubarak were all placed with American help and all aid was given from America...otherwise these guys would not have dreamt of even half of the no. of years they got to rule! Hence maybe middle east would be bigger with the Turkish Ottoman still alive and healthy!

What do you personally think?

I can only assume total financial chaos for a long while.

You think America stopped that? In fact it initiated all the world crises ....

Germans and Japanese wouldn't have spared many.

Depends Germans only hated the Jews under Hitler but after Hitler dies (he wasnt imortal) who knows what the successor would have done....1 thing for sure the Germans were advanced and pouring into research....so were other Europeans....USA jumped in later but it got the advantage of foreign think tanks flooding in...otherwise American was busy in its civil wars...1 after another...several going on at one time or another...and it was well sinking into slavery!

 

[Kolaps]

As I restrict myself to discussion regarding India mainly, I also read the discussion regarding other countries. I find a lot of countries are hostile to US and its Policy. I also understand it. But I just wonder and wanted to know and discuss among the members of countries about what the world would have been a better place or worst place if there would be no US or UN (thorough which US have its way)?

Btw, it seems that your local media are controlled by US, too much US centric news and you are heavily influenced. Then you are starting to think, what if the heroic US never exist.

Did you know that most conflicts and major problems around the world started by US? Good country that designed to be the evil that should be bullied and destroyed. But US claimed to be the hero and savior for doing it. And you buy it.

Many great ideas, like equality, socialism, democratic, peace, etc are not originated and promoted by US. But later US claimed to be the source of all of these. And you buy it.

You think, US is promoting democracy, but actually creating puppet government. You think, US is promoting freedom of press and speech, but actually want to control public opinion of a country. But you buy it.


Finally, you started to think that US is that damn good without a flaw. What if the world without this heroic US?


Reading your comment, I really suspicious about the claim that India has freedom of press and speech. You said, people should thanks to US for that freedom... but by reading your comment, the opposite happened. You are brainwashed and freedom of press and speech in India is actually never exist, and heavily controlled by US.

Wake up!

 

[thesolar65]

Btw, it seems that your local media are controlled by US, too much US centric news and you are heavily influenced. Then you are starting to think, what if the heroic US never exist.

Did you know that most conflicts and major problems around the world started by US? Good country that designed to be the evil that should be bullied and destroyed. But US claimed to be the hero and savior for doing it. And you buy it.

Many great ideas, like equality, socialism, democratic, peace, etc are not originated and promoted by US. But later US claimed to be the source of all of these. And you buy it.

You think, US is promoting democracy, but actually creating puppet government. You think, US is promoting freedom of press and speech, but actually want to control public opinion of a country. But you buy it.


Finally, you started to think that US is that damn good without a flaw. What if the world without this heroic US?


Reading your comment, I really suspicious about the claim that India has freedom of press and speech. You said, people should thanks to US for that freedom... but by reading your comment, the opposite happened. You are brainwashed and freedom of press and speech in India is actually never exist, and heavily controlled by US.

Wake up!

Thanks for sharing your thought. I also never liked many of the US policies. US blackmailed us many times and it is the biggest blackmailer. But every policy is not bad. If some has taken life so also some policies have saved lives. I do not now want to go back to past. Can you give your opinion to my post no. 12?

 

[illusion8]

You think America stopped that? In fact it initiated all the world crises ....

It would certainly be financial chaos if the US disappears suddenly one day, these days due to globalization the world's interconnected so anyone goes down it affects the global economy. The chaos in a couple of European countries dragged down the world economy - now imagine the same a 100 fold when the US, which is the financial capital of the world goes down.

 

[Dubious]

It would certainly be financial chaos if the US disappears suddenly one day, these days due to globalization the world's interconnected so anyone goes down it affects the global economy. The chaos in a couple of European countries dragged down the world economy - now imagine the same a 100 fold when the US, which is the financial capital of the world goes down.

Well, the chaos is caused because everything is linked to US$ unlink it...US disappears then we just unlink ourselves from the US$

 

[Kolaps]

OK then, Let's assume from tomorrow morning when you woke up, you find that there is no US!!. I think a lot of countries will be worried lot....isn't it?

If US never exist, the world will be different. You will feel peace and worried for different things.

A lot of countries will be worried from the threat of EVIL country, if US is gone when you wake up. Have you ever thought that this EVIL country is just designed to be evil by US for their interest? The threat is actually never exist.

You worried if US is gone when you wake up, because there will be no people centric government. People centric government or democratic are actually exist everywhere around the world from ancient China, India to Middle East. Part of the culture there, Europe was actually borrowed and claimed to be originated from Europe.

 

[illusion8]

Well, the chaos is caused because everything is linked to US$ unlink it...US disappears then we just unlink ourselves from the US$

That's what I said - the delinking will take a long while till then there will be utter chaos - and the transition wouldn't be smooth at all, and there's no guarantee that an effective or workable option will come in place.

 

[acid rain]

US only managed to come to the top by inviting people from Europe who ran away due to failure during world war...Do you think USA had the people required to boost it up had Europe not fallen?

In USA you will still find segregation where people from UK came in you will see the streets named similar to that in UK, where Germans flooded in you will see German named cities and streets same with Dutch, French and the same with Spanish as well as the Arabs....and so on...

So if there was no USA there would be no UN...the power would be either Germany, Japan or Russia (hence no toppling USSR) so the same who migrated to USA would have gone to any of these countries...However, we cant know if these countries have a similar policy as that of USA...who seem to backstab anyone who says a no after a long yes term (eg. Sadam, Ghadaffi, Mubarak and so on)!

Russia never had an influence in Africa at least not a strong one...Had Africa been left alone by the USA, it might have hit top or even worse broken into more fragments...Australia which floats from kissing American *** would still be home to criminals shipped from British empire...and the UK which kisses American *** for the support during WW2 would prob be a smaller and quieter nation still trying to stabilize Scotland and Wales and not to forget Ireland ...

What would it mean for Aisa....well, we would have given in to either USSR or to Germany or even Japan...But the Japanese of WW2 were brutal they were literally barbarians who just killed and raped (at least history shows them that way) no idea how they are now...not sure how China would have dealt with them....

China would have been overrun by Japanese, so would have India - interestingly there wouldnt have been a Pakistan or a Bangladesh because most likely the British would have lost India to the Japanese.

 

[rockstar08]

What do you personally think?

I can only assume total financial chaos for a long while.



Germans and Japanese wouldn't have spared many.

you can not say this , as you can not judge ... plus usa is not doing any saintly work in arab countries , and for your info its was USA who first use nuclear on Japanese , there was no need to fire nuclear if they were already winning

 

[Dubious]

China would have been overrun by Japanese, so would have India - interestingly there wouldnt have been a Pakistan or a Bangladesh because most likely the British would have lost India to the Japanese.

Depends

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Let's see....Germany may have even won World War 1 who knows the chain of events that may have lead to. Would Hitler have come to power in an even stronger Germany. He may have had world domination at his fingertips.

 

[illusion8]

you can not say this , as you can not judge ... plus usa is not doing any saintly work in arab countries , and for your info its was USA who first use nuclear on Japanese , there was no need to fire nuclear if they were already winning

USA not doing any saintly work in Arab countries? - from whose perspective? you ask me not to judge and you go ahead and judge yourself?

I can safely assume that the Germans would have run through Europe, Africa and Arabia and the Japanese would have run through most of Asia if it wasn't for the US entering the scene in WW2, as for nuking Japan - that was in direct retaliation to the pearl harbor attack.