What if farmers protest gets worse like 90s

[Goenitz]

@Foxtrot Alpha @HRK @fitpOsitive @Norwegian @jamahir @xeuss
@The Eagle @AgNoStiC MuSliM

I would like if anybody can make a thread on possible mishandling of Dehli of farmers protest. I pray the 90s situation doesn't come back.

It will be a good for Pakistan as both Kashmir and Punjab would be against Dehli, however I am not praying that would happen as there will be civilian losses like in the 90s.

As Modi is arrogant and stubborn so he is highly unlike to retrieve farmers laws. The star image has made him infallible, ruthless and inhuman (that thing is not new though, e.g. 2002).

As today's dialogue has failed too, so I am seeing situation erupting.

Possible outcomes:
1. Another 'chivalry' by India so that farmers goes back to homes as war preparation needs open road.
2. Clash between farmers and protesters which may result either way.

So my Question is Islamabad prepared?

Firs of all I want that if somebody crosses this time, never return him to Dehli like 1990. Hand him over to UN or let him go Canada etc to seek asylum.
Also, if there is civil unrest in Punjab, how Pak should respond? I mean politically and military.? I am not supporting any war, but Hindutva ideology should be rebuffed in one way or other.

In summary Pak should be prepared for all possible outcomes so nothing can be a surprise and delay the opportunity.

Fun fact: there was an oil company who wrote an internal paper how to manage a sudden oil shortage (possibly due to Mussadaq nationalisation). Then came first oil embargo, that company took out that paper, applied the suggestion and got multiple times richer while everyone was still scratching their head (heard it in a seminar)

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[fitpOsitive]

@Foxtrot Alpha @HRK @fitpOsitive @Norwegian @jamahir @xeuss
@The Eagle @AgNoStiC MuSliM

I would like if anybody can make a thread on possible mishandling of Dehli of farmers protest. I pray the 90s situation doesn't come back.

It will be a good for Pakistan as both Kashmir and Punjab would be against Dehli, however I am not praying that would happen as there will be civilian losses like in the 90s.

As Modi is arrogant and stubborn so he is highly unlike to retrieve farmers laws. The star image has made him infallible, ruthless and inhuman (that thing is not new though, e.g. 2002).

As today's dialogue has failed too, so I am seeing situation erupting.

Possible outcomes:
1. Another 'chivalry' by India so that farmers goes back to homes as war preparation needs open road.
2. Clash between farmers and protesters which may result either way.

So my Question is Islamabad prepared?

Firs of all I don;t want that if somebody cross this time, never return that to Dehli like 1990. Hand them over to UN or let them go Canada etc to seek asylum.
Also, if there is civil unrest in Punjab, how Pak should respond? I mean politically and military.? I am not supporting any war, but Hindutva ideology should be rebuffed in one way or other.

In summary Pak should be prepared for all possible outcomes so nothing can be a surprise and delay the opportunity.

Fun fact: there was an oil company who wrote an internal paper how to manage a sudden oil shortage (possibly due to Mussadaq nationalisation). Then came first oil embargo, that company took out that paper, applied the suggestion and got multiple times richer while everyone was still scratching their head (heard it in a seminar)

P.S. If you don't like to be tagged please do tell me.

Nothing. All sikhs will be murdered, simple.
Doesn't matter. But situation might get very dangerous, when powerful people of Maharashtra and Bengal, and to some extent Andhra and Telangana will come under fire.
That would be a fire, and real fire. Pakistan should start working on 5 state solution for India. I already can see them. We really be needing to control the situation, as Pakistan cant handle 50 Crore refugees.

 

[Arulmozhi Varman]

Farmers protest = war. Hmmm no wonder Opiom runs wild in Pakistan.

 

[El Sidd]

Farmers protest = war. Hmmm no wonder Opiom runs wild in Pakistan.

How is that civil war in Karachi?

 

[Goenitz]

Farmers protest = war. Hmmm no wonder Opiom runs wild in Pakistan.

ever heard the butterfly effect

Nothing. All sikhs will be murdered, simple.

that is one hell of genocide.. cannot happen... plus international pressure will be there.
yes we cannot bear any influx of refugees and neither we can merge with them, as it will backfire. An independent solution is best for worst of the outcome.

I don't think there is much, a separatist Identity/frustration in others like Kashmiri, Punjabi and eastern states, in case hindutva rises. South doesn't 'like' north but they are hindus and may accept some or total domination of RSS ideology, excluding hindi language and other domestic identities/issues...

 

[fitpOsitive]

ever heard the butterfly effect

that is one hell of genocide.. cannot happen... plus international pressure will be there.
yes we cannot bear any influx of refugees and neither we can merge with them, as it will backfire. An independent solution is best for worst of the outcome.

I don't think there is much, a separatist Identity/frustration in others like Kashmiri, Punjabi and eastern states, in case hindutva rises. South doesn't 'like' north but they are hindus and may accept some or total domination of RSS ideology, excluding hindi language and other domestic identities/issues...

Pakistan should work on that. And behold, kam Pakistani bureaucracy ki mot hai. So I ham na hi samjhain.

 

[IndiaIsBad]

Sikhs remember who murdered their gurus

 

[masterchief_mirza]

One thing is clear. Hindus are afraid to disperse the Sikhs despite the Covid risk and the economic damage being done by these protests. This fear is probably due to Sikhs dominating the armed forces. Delhi has worked itself into a corner.

Pakistan's best approach is to REPEATEDLY WARN THE WORLD that a false flag is imminent precisely for the reason that Delhi needs to divert attention from Punjab and find an excuse to disperse the protests. By sensitising the world to this eventuality, two outcomes become possible:

(1) Due to persistent announcements by Pakistan, Delhi will actually decline to attack us for fear of confirming Pakistani predictions. Delhi will have to seek an alternative plan and the protests will continue.

(2) Delhi will still - foolishly - attack but Pakistan will have a head start because we knew it was coming. Our retaliation will be unhindered this time because all our international contacts will agree that Pakistani predictions were correct. Nobody can put pressure on us to "de-escalate".

Either scenario will see India get shagged hard.

Sikhs remember who murdered their gurus

True. Hindus cowered in a corner while Muslims and Sikhs had at it.

 

[waz]

Sikhs remember who murdered their gurus

Look up who handed over Guru Gobind Singh’s sons for execution. Look up the Lords who tried to destroy him. Look up those who formed alliances with the Mughals to finish him and his Sikhs.

 

[HRK]

@Foxtrot Alpha @HRK @fitpOsitive @Norwegian @jamahir @xeuss
@The Eagle @AgNoStiC MuSliM

I would like if anybody can make a thread on possible mishandling of Dehli of farmers protest. I pray the 90s situation doesn't come back.

It will be a good for Pakistan as both Kashmir and Punjab would be against Dehli, however I am not praying that would happen as there will be civilian losses like in the 90s.

As Modi is arrogant and stubborn so he is highly unlike to retrieve farmers laws. The star image has made him infallible, ruthless and inhuman (that thing is not new though, e.g. 2002).

As today's dialogue has failed too, so I am seeing situation erupting.

Possible outcomes:
1. Another 'chivalry' by India so that farmers goes back to homes as war preparation needs open road.
2. Clash between farmers and protesters which may result either way.

So my Question is Islamabad prepared?

Firs of all I want that if somebody crosses this time, never return him to Dehli like 1990. Hand him over to UN or let him go Canada etc to seek asylum.
Also, if there is civil unrest in Punjab, how Pak should respond? I mean politically and military.? I am not supporting any war, but Hindutva ideology should be rebuffed in one way or other.

In summary Pak should be prepared for all possible outcomes so nothing can be a surprise and delay the opportunity.

Fun fact: there was an oil company who wrote an internal paper how to manage a sudden oil shortage (possibly due to Mussadaq nationalisation). Then came first oil embargo, that company took out that paper, applied the suggestion and got multiple times richer while everyone was still scratching their head (heard it in a seminar)

P.S. If you don't like to be tagged please do tell me.

I will wait for some more development before to comment, as it has potential to stir up a situation which may lead to unrest b/w economic classes as well as b/w two economic system so IF this happen then it will have its effects in whole region.

Therefore any analysis or response should consider the fact that as of now it is STILL an Economic Struggle not a Political Movement though it will have its effects on internal political dynamics of India, on the other hand IF somehow BJP succeed to give Political or Communal label to this movement then the outcome would be totally different.

 

[jamahir]

I would like if anybody can make a thread on possible mishandling of Dehli of farmers protest. I pray the 90s situation doesn't come back.

1. Goenitz, at the moment I am still thinking about adding to my economic system proposal, then my plan to create a agriculture thread, then my microprocessor + OS project ideation. Between all these I will not be able to create a thread on the Delhi protest. Very sorry.

2. What do you mean by 90s situation ? Khalistan movement ? But that started in the 80s. Or you mean the Babri masjid demolition and subsequent riots ?

 

[Chhatrapati]

Look up who handed over Guru Gobind Singh’s sons for execution. Look up the Lords who tried to destroy him. Look up those who formed alliances with the Mughals to finish him and his Sikhs.

And yet, the Sikh guru was beheaded for refusing to convert to Islam by Mughals, not Hinduism, Jainism or Christianity. Ranjit Singh didn't convert Hindu temple to a horse stable. Neither did Ranjit Singh beheaded an entire Pathan Garrison for the crime of killing a cow.

ever heard the butterfly effect

@jamahir you're the one who said Hindumahasabha/RSS was responsible for the creation of Pakistan here you have a buddy, butterfly effect and shit.

 

[blueazure]

pakistan has no strategy to utilize chaos in india

pak strategy is strictly defensive . ( aka the bajwa doctrine)

build fences and do nothing ......

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[Cliftonite]

@Baibars_1260 your input is needed.

 

[jamahir]

@jamahir you're the one who said Hindumahasabha/RSS was responsible for the creation of Pakistan

Indirectly. Here is what was said by Shashi Tharoor :

Speaking at the session 'Shashi on Shashi' with Micheal Dwyer on Day 2 of the Jaipur Literature Festival (JLF), Mr Tharoor claimed that the Hindutva movement started by Vinayak Damodar Savarkar categorically rejected the Constitution.

He said that for Savarkar, a Hindu was one for whom India was his fatherland and holy land. Muslims and Christians were not considered in this.

"Savarkar, Madhav Sadashiv Golwalkar and Deen Dyal Upadhay rejected the constitution and in fact agreed with the Muslims that religion should determine nationhood. In the historical sense, the first advocate of the two-nation theory was actually Savarkar, who as the head of the Hindu Mahasabha called upon India to recognise Hindus and Muslims as part of two separate nations three years before the Pakistan Muslim League passed the Pakistan Resolution in Lahore in 1940," he said.

Mr Tharoor further said that according to them, the Constitution was full of imported ideas written in the wrong language - English.

"Another flaw they pointed out was that it assumes that the nation of India is a territory and it's (constitution) written for all the people on the territory. Nation is not a territory but its people and the people of India are only Hindus," he said.

here you have a buddy, butterfly effect and shit.

Maybe @Goenitz is right that the Butterfly Effect ensured the Partition. Jinnah and the rest of the Pakistan movement must have looked at the statements of the Hindu Mahasabha and thought that Muslims would not be safe or equal citizens in an united India.