What if farmers protest gets worse like 90s

[padamchen]

I was joking.

Is Barishal Bomber who I think it is? Back off. He's a gem.

He's always been a gem for you guys.

I don't know if you were around with another ID when that Kashmiri kid was gunned down.

BB wanted to write a letter to the Indian government on behalf of the Pakistanis.

Many of us here in the forum space know each other in the real world.

Daarna nahin hai.

Ladna hai.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

pakistan has no strategy to utilize chaos in india

pak strategy is strictly defensive . ( aka the bajwa doctrine)

build fences and do nothing ......

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Oooof Bajwa. Kab jayega ye yar??

 

[313ghazi]

@Foxtrot Alpha @HRK @fitpOsitive @Norwegian @jamahir @xeuss
@The Eagle @AgNoStiC MuSliM

I would like if anybody can make a thread on possible mishandling of Dehli of farmers protest. I pray the 90s situation doesn't come back.

It will be a good for Pakistan as both Kashmir and Punjab would be against Dehli, however I am not praying that would happen as there will be civilian losses like in the 90s.

As Modi is arrogant and stubborn so he is highly unlike to retrieve farmers laws. The star image has made him infallible, ruthless and inhuman (that thing is not new though, e.g. 2002).

As today's dialogue has failed too, so I am seeing situation erupting.

Possible outcomes:
1. Another 'chivalry' by India so that farmers goes back to homes as war preparation needs open road.
2. Clash between farmers and protesters which may result either way.

So my Question is Islamabad prepared?

Firs of all I want that if somebody crosses this time, never return him to Dehli like 1990. Hand him over to UN or let him go Canada etc to seek asylum.
Also, if there is civil unrest in Punjab, how Pak should respond? I mean politically and military.? I am not supporting any war, but Hindutva ideology should be rebuffed in one way or other.

In summary Pak should be prepared for all possible outcomes so nothing can be a surprise and delay the opportunity.

Fun fact: there was an oil company who wrote an internal paper how to manage a sudden oil shortage (possibly due to Mussadaq nationalisation). Then came first oil embargo, that company took out that paper, applied the suggestion and got multiple times richer while everyone was still scratching their head (heard it in a seminar)

P.S. If you don't like to be tagged please do tell me.

Are we prepared - not a chance. Our foreign policy is reactive, not pro-active.

 

[Goenitz]

What do you mean by 90s situation

The culmination point. Where we mishandled the Khalistani movement but i should have added 80-90..

@jamahir you're the one who said Hindumahasabha/RSS was responsible for the creation of Pakistan here you have a buddy, butterfly effect and shit.

We got separated even before like 1867 Urdu-Hindi controversy... Muslims got separation Idea since then and from partition of bengal in 1905, in 1906 Muslim league was established as a result. Congress played well till 1937... ML won a single seat till then,, Quaid was congressi too btw (till 1920s),

So crux is, ML point was muslims are under-presented in Indian politics and congress cannot represent Muslims... Majority of muslims didn't buy that till 1937 Congress sweep with some regional mulims parties, and muslims issues were sidelined (funds restriction, monopoly, etc )

Then it dawned on them that a non-muslims ruling dehli cannot represent them even if he is secular. Either to live as a 2nd class/under majority etc or a separate nation. They were afraid to lose identity/freedom/religious values etc.

In fact situation is not changed till now. How many Muslims think that Modi is representing them? Also, this memory is of mistreatment is building up in Skihs now. @padamchen @-=virus=-

Oooof Bajwa. Kab jayega ye yar??

Imran is pacifist, so is Bajwa and I am happy for that. Only collective international operation can liberate something. For every a little protest in its infancy, we shouldn't think to exploit it. Let it mature own its own and prepare for worse. Let foreign ministry raise it due to human/civic rights etc and thats it

 

[padamchen]

In fact situation is not changed till now. How many Muslims think that Modi is representing them? Also, this memory is of mistreatment is building up in Skihs now. @padamchen @-=virus=-

You would be wasting your time pursuing a strategy that failed before.

But of course as any self respecting enemy you should try your damnest.

Cheers, Doc

 

[waz]

And yet, the Sikh guru was beheaded for refusing to convert to Islam by Mughals, not Hinduism, Jainism or Christianity. Ranjit Singh didn't convert Hindu temple to a horse stable. Neither did Ranjit Singh beheaded an entire Pathan Garrison

Are you calling him an anti-Muslim bigot? Go tell that to the Sikhs and see the response you get.
Ranjit Singh hey? How about you ask them who stabbed them in the back via the British which led to their empire being destroyed. Don't worry Shah and Modi are putting the final nails into the coffin of the Dharmic relationship as you type.
You also just repeated the same thing your fellow Indian did i.e. about the beheading.

 

[Chhatrapati]

You also just repeated the same thing your fellow Indian did i.e. about the beheading.

Why? Is it an uncomfortable truth to mention?

Are you calling him an anti-Muslim bigot? Go tell that to the Sikhs and see the response you get.
Ranjit Singh hey? How about you ask them who stabbed them in the back via the British which led to their empire being destroyed. Don't worry Shah and Modi are putting the final nails into the coffin of the Dharmic relationship as you type.

Oh he may or may not be anti Muslim, I'm not here to judge him. You made a remark insinuating the ones sided with Mughals were supposedly rich Hindu folks who were responsible for Sikh gurus death. I went straight to the actions committed by these folks. And if I mention these to Sikh folks they won't deny it.

Yeah, Dharmics in trouble because farmers are protesting. I like the logic.

 

[IndiaIsBad]

Why? Is it an uncomfortable truth to mention?


Oh he may or may not be anti Muslim, I'm not here to judge him. You made a remark insinuating the ones sided with Mughals were supposedly rich Hindu folks who were responsible for Sikh gurus death. I went straight to the actions committed by these folks. And if I mention these to Sikh folks they won't deny it.

Yeah, Dharmics in trouble because farmers are protesting. I like the logic.

The major problem is not a single pakistani understands what the farmer protests are all about and why the protesters are mainly from punjab. Not a single one of them.

If they had, they wouldn't be trying to use these protests to cause separatism.

 

[El Sidd]

Why? Is it an uncomfortable truth to mention?


Oh he may or may not be anti Muslim, I'm not here to judge him. You made a remark insinuating the ones sided with Mughals were supposedly rich Hindu folks who were responsible for Sikh gurus death. I went straight to the actions committed by these folks. And if I mention these to Sikh folks they won't deny it.

Yeah, Dharmics in trouble because farmers are protesting. I like the logic.

India's vulnerability hampers her ambitions to be the food basket of the world.

Farmers in India have a long history of defiance and self preservation and are highly skilled in survival tactics.

There's no solution to this just like many other things in India which are all set to ripen this decade.

#ache din

 

[waz]

Why? Is it an uncomfortable truth to mention?


Oh he may or may not be anti Muslim, I'm not here to judge him. You made a remark insinuating the ones sided with Mughals were supposedly rich Hindu folks who were responsible for Sikh gurus death. I went straight to the actions committed by these folks. And if I mention these to Sikh folks they won't deny it.

Yeah, Dharmics in trouble because farmers are protesting. I like the logic.

Not it’s not uncomfortable, it’s been already mentioned. If you want to sound like a broken record, parrot, take your pick.
My post was in reply to your illustrious Sanghi kin, who took a veiled dig at faith. I presented other facts for him to reflect on, you seem to be encouraging him in his ignorance.
I’m glad you think it’s just a farmers protest. That’s the Idea.

 

[SrNair]

@Foxtrot Alpha @HRK @fitpOsitive @Norwegian @jamahir @xeuss
@The Eagle @AgNoStiC MuSliM

I would like if anybody can make a thread on possible mishandling of Dehli of farmers protest. I pray the 90s situation doesn't come back.

It will be a good for Pakistan as both Kashmir and Punjab would be against Dehli, however I am not praying that would happen as there will be civilian losses like in the 90s.

As Modi is arrogant and stubborn so he is highly unlike to retrieve farmers laws. The star image has made him infallible, ruthless and inhuman (that thing is not new though, e.g. 2002).

As today's dialogue has failed too, so I am seeing situation erupting.

Possible outcomes:
1. Another 'chivalry' by India so that farmers goes back to homes as war preparation needs open road.
2. Clash between farmers and protesters which may result either way.

So my Question is Islamabad prepared?

Firs of all I want that if somebody crosses this time, never return him to Dehli like 1990. Hand him over to UN or let him go Canada etc to seek asylum.
Also, if there is civil unrest in Punjab, how Pak should respond? I mean politically and military.? I am not supporting any war, but Hindutva ideology should be rebuffed in one way or other.

In summary Pak should be prepared for all possible outcomes so nothing can be a surprise and delay the opportunity.

Fun fact: there was an oil company who wrote an internal paper how to manage a sudden oil shortage (possibly due to Mussadaq nationalisation). Then came first oil embargo, that company took out that paper, applied the suggestion and got multiple times richer while everyone was still scratching their head (heard it in a seminar)

P.S. If you don't like to be tagged please do tell me.

Had these kind of Pakistanis spend at least half of their time for the issues in Pakistan instead of what happens inside India , they wouldnt been in FATF and loan default.


First of all
Pakistan is not a factor here.
It is same like that of BD or Bhutan.

Second thing
Noone going to touch our farmers including Govt.They have every right to protest and they will protest .And elected govt has every right to clear their stance also.
AFAIK , these bill will help 90 % of real farmers but not organized.
But will affect rest of farmer plus middle man but better organized.
And except some commie delusionist and their teams , other Indians dont even cares and silently supports these bill.

Third thing , PM Modi is stubborn ,he has to and he was always like that also.
But power wont corrupts him.
He just implemented Swaminathan Commission report.

 

[Musings]

One thing is clear. Hindus are afraid to disperse the Sikhs despite the Covid risk and the economic damage being done by these protests. This fear is probably due to Sikhs dominating the armed forces. Delhi has worked itself into a corner.

Pakistan's best approach is to REPEATEDLY WARN THE WORLD that a false flag is imminent precisely for the reason that Delhi needs to divert attention from Punjab and find an excuse to disperse the protests. By sensitising the world to this eventuality, two outcomes become possible:

(1) Due to persistent announcements by Pakistan, Delhi will actually decline to attack us for fear of confirming Pakistani predictions. Delhi will have to seek an alternative plan and the protests will continue.

(2) Delhi will still - foolishly - attack but Pakistan will have a head start because we knew it was coming. Our retaliation will be unhindered this time because all our international contacts will agree that Pakistani predictions were correct. Nobody can put pressure on us to "de-escalate".

Either scenario will see India get shagged hard.

True. Hindus cowered in a corner while Muslims and Sikhs had at it.

Can you imagine the Sikhs putting their arms down that are in the army? The indian army would compromise of 3 rats a dog and a chai walla.
I think the false flag attempts have put everyone on red alert. Never trust these three brain celled superstars.

 

[Musings]

Had these kind of Pakistanis spend at least half of their time for the issues in Pakistan instead of what happens inside India , they wouldnt been in FATF and loan default.

An Indian telling Pakistanis what to discuss on a Pakistan site? Grow up. This isnt your bhrite shitrite site that you can dictate to admin what we discuss on here. Does it galvanize your 2 brain cells.
Its imperative we discuss and alert each other about the sh1t brewing up in our hostile neighborhood. Normally when something like this gets stuck up Modis throat - he normally throws a couple of missiles at his own people - kill a few hundred and blame his neighbour so the likes of you take the eye off the ball. Frankly your country is fast becoming the sh1thole in the region. Enjoy.....

 

[SrNair]

An Indian telling Pakistanis what to discuss on a Pakistan site? Grow up. This isnt your bhrite shitrite site that you can dictate to admin what we discuss on here. Does it galvanize your 2 brain cells.
Its imperative we discuss and alert each other about the sh1t brewing up in our hostile neighborhood. Normally when something like this gets stuck up Modis throat - he normally throws a couple of missiles at his own people - kill a few hundred and blame his neighbour so the likes of you take the eye off the ball. Frankly your country is fast becoming the sh1thole in the region. Enjoy.....

Lol

 

[Musings]

Lol

As usual - plenty to add to the topic