What Has NOT Changed in China? An Analysis of the Chinese One-Party Dictatorship

[Thomas]

As for the farmers because of reduced population and man-made famine elimination is different, do not say it deliberately alarmist. Otherwise, the U.S. government massacre of hundreds of millions of Americans in 1929-1933, which is expected to increase in population statistics

That statement makes absolutely zero sense.

 

[huzihaidao12]

That statement makes absolutely zero sense.

Reduction in the population due to famine and murder are different, do not say it deliberately alarmist. Otherwise, the U.S. government massacre of hundreds of millions of Americans in 1929-1933, which is expected to increase in population is reduced, according to statistics

Do not forget that time, China just after independence, the belong to the Third World, famine is widespread in the Third World, you will accuse the Third World Government's massacre of their people because of famine?

 

[Thomas]

Reduction in the population due to famine and murder are different, do not say it deliberately alarmist. Otherwise, the U.S. government massacre of hundreds of millions of Americans in 1929-1933, which is expected to increase in population is reduced, according to statistics

Do not forget that time, China just after independence, the belong to the Third World, famine is widespread in the Third World, you will accuse the Third World Government's massacre of their people because of famine?

Mao Zedongs cultural revolution killed more people then Stalin and Hitler combined. Also not sure what your talking about in regards to U.S. Government massacring hundreds of millions of people.

 

[huzihaidao12]

Mao Zedongs cultural revolution killed more people then Stalin and Hitler combined. Also not sure what your talking about in regards to U.S. Government massacring hundreds of millions of people.

The famine caused a large reduction in the population, of course, you could say he is because the Chinese government's wrong policies, but it and killing are different. On the famine to reduce the population statistics, his method is based on expected growth in population, population and the actual statistics of the population, and then compared to arrive at an enormous figure. This approach is clearly a problem, and if in this way, then the 1929-1933 of the U.S. population is expected to grow - and then the actual population can be reached staggering numbers.

As for the Cultural Revolution, he created a number of tragedies, but mainly intellectuals and some officials, mainly dignity and spiritual, there is death, it is a tragedy, but the number is very small, and any large numbers does not matter.

Chinese farmers hit by the famine is possible is the biggest, but the specific figures uncertain, only the figures are based on the above approach, he is very problematic.

 

[huzihaidao12]

When the West began to publicize the horrors of the population died during the Cultural Revolution, rather than starvation?

 

[huzihaidao12]

A forum in China, there was a vote, Chinese and Westerners who have been more successful brainwashing? 1, Chinese 2, West 3, the same

Choose one of the few grounds that the Chinese people now will not easily trust the Government and they will pay more attention to a wide range of sources, there is a right, but some are deliberate propaganda.
Choose 2,3 people are the most, do you think why?

 

[Thomas]

even if you took the larger estimates by scholars of 43 million dead. instead of the official Government tally of 15 million dead from famine. the remaining number of those killed by the cultural revolution makes Mao Zedong the largest mass murderer in history.

Plus "until the early 1980s, the Chinese government's stance, reflected by the name "Three Years of Natural Disasters", was that the famine was largely a result of a series of natural disasters compounded by some planning errors. Researchers outside China, however, generally agree that massive institutional and policy changes which accompanied the Great Leap Forward were the key factors in the famine. Since the 1980s there has been greater official Chinese recognition of the importance of policy mistakes in causing the disaster, claiming that the disaster was 30% due to natural causes and 70% by mismanagement."

Great Chinese Famine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Cultural Revolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[dccafe]

even if you took the larger estimates by scholars of 43 million dead. instead of the official Government tally of 15 million dead from famine. the remaining number of those killed by the cultural revolution makes Mao Zedong the largest mass murderer in history.

Plus "until the early 1980s, the Chinese government's stance, reflected by the name "Three Years of Natural Disasters", was that the famine was largely a result of a series of natural disasters compounded by some planning errors. Researchers outside China, however, generally agree that massive institutional and policy changes which accompanied the Great Leap Forward were the key factors in the famine. Since the 1980s there has been greater official Chinese recognition of the importance of policy mistakes in causing the disaster, claiming that the disaster was 30% due to natural causes and 70% by mismanagement."

Great Chinese Famine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Cultural Revolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Thats history, even if those figures are true... So?
Chinese history... cruel and harsh...
Famine, massive natural disasters... happens quite a few times in Chinese history.
To us, it belongs to the past, no big deal, all we can do is try to avoid it from happening again.
And you think we don't know? need you an outsider keep reminding us?

"Our people" died, not yours. Why do you guys have to care?
We don't need an outsider reminding us. We know our history.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

China is a becon of peace and true civilization worthy of taking the world into new places where man has not gone before ... lead the way china the world follows your wise ways



PS US politics is all about rich families ruling the world with kick backs - a average joe has no chance to becoming president -

 

[conworldus]

I guess now days the only thing bashable about china is the cultural revolution that ended 34 years ago

go china!!

 

[Thomas]

I guess now days the only thing bashable about china is the cultural revolution that ended 34 years ago

go china!!

China is a becon of peace and true civilization worthy of taking the world into new places where man has not gone before ... lead the way china the world follows your wise ways



PS US politics is all about rich families ruling the world with kick backs - a average joe has no chance to becoming president -

not quite! people are still imprisoned and sometimes killed for criticizing the Government, being Christian, Muslim, or Falun gong. what has changed is embracing of Capitalism in the economy and the massacres. It's harder in the age of mass communication to get away with Massacres.

BBC NEWS | Asia-Pacific | China 'crushing Muslim Uighurs'

BBC NEWS | Asia-Pacific | China's Christians suffer for their faith

China's intolerance of dissent

 

[oceanx]

not quite! people are still imprisoned and sometimes killed for criticizing the Government, being Christian, Muslim, or Falun gong. what has changed is embracing of Capitalism in the economy and the massacres. It's harder in the age of mass communication to get away with Massacres.

BBC NEWS | Asia-Pacific | China 'crushing Muslim Uighurs'

BBC NEWS | Asia-Pacific | China's Christians suffer for their faith

China's intolerance of dissent

No one says China doesn't have work cut out for her. And only the most willfully blind "patriots" would pretend that China hasn't made mistakes in dealing with various issues confronting any modern, multi-ethnic, and multi-religious society.

Progress may follow a zig-zag path where taking "one step forward, but two steps back" is more of a norm than exception (paraphrasing S-2).

The number of Mosques in Xinjiang and the number of temples in Tibet have both increased to world record-level on a per capita basis. By themselves they are hardly monumental achievements. But it at least reflects an official attitude of appreciation for religious faiths as opposed to an unchecked disdain common to the early days of the Republic.

We are against the PRC imprisoning all political dissidents - Guantanamo Bay style or not. But certain cults and their practices may fall under the purview of criminal law, although I personally believe the PRC holds an overly broad definition on these matters.

 

[huzihaidao12]

even if you took the larger estimates by scholars of 43 million dead. instead of the official Government tally of 15 million dead from famine. the remaining number of those killed by the cultural revolution makes Mao Zedong the largest mass murderer in history.

Plus "until the early 1980s, the Chinese government's stance, reflected by the name "Three Years of Natural Disasters", was that the famine was largely a result of a series of natural disasters compounded by some planning errors. Researchers outside China, however, generally agree that massive institutional and policy changes which accompanied the Great Leap Forward were the key factors in the famine. Since the 1980s there has been greater official Chinese recognition of the importance of policy mistakes in causing the disaster, claiming that the disaster was 30% due to natural causes and 70% by mismanagement."

Great Chinese Famine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Cultural Revolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Do not forget that time, China just after independence, the belong to the Third World, famine is widespread in the Third World, you will accuse the Third World Government's massacre of their people because of famine?

The famine caused a large reduction in the population, of course, you could say he is because the Chinese government's wrong policies

The Cultural Revolution and famine are different, hope do not need to remind this point

 

[huzihaidao12]

China is a becon of peace and true civilization worthy of taking the world into new places where man has not gone before ... lead the way china the world follows your wise ways



PS US politics is all about rich families ruling the world with kick backs - a average joe has no chance to becoming president -

Thank you, there is no malicious little understanding of China, it requires a comprehensive and patience, once again thank you, Pakistani friends

 

[huzihaidao12]

As the number of population decline, any person can claim a number, but the key is the basis of what he, what is his method of calculation is? There have been many heated debates in China forum, but still no definitive answer. With regard to the official method of calculation in front of me has been said, that is ridiculous.
In China Forum had a lot of questions, have you heard any exact information on deaths in the famine era. Because whether it is 20 million or 40 million, which is a very large population loss, there will be many places where there is the equivalent of at least five individuals died in a. If that is true, the answer would be as expected. However, all the answers are, hunger is a common impression, however, everyone tenacious alive, the death of a small population.

Then the opposition suggested that official statistics is the kinds of politically correct, if you know that China's political history would understand the meaning.

In favor of the party say may be large areas of dead and the other not so serious, however, he just kinds of views, there is no match with the 20 million information.

For the Famine reduced the population, there is no firm view.On the official statistics is also suspected, the calculation methods and motives are questioned.