What fighter aircraft Iran should buy after 2020

[Jinn Baba]

Air power is where Iran is seriously lacking - esp compared to what the Saudis and UAE have, or Israel.

ANYTHING would be good for them right now, but ideally they need long range aircraft to be able to target the countries that pose a threat to them.

 

[randomradio]

Unlike Chinese, Russians are slow at doing business. Also even Indians are not satisfied with Su-57 claiming it is not very stealthy. Also Russia has lower rate of production for Su-57 meaning the price will be higher and also Russia's industrial capabilities are lower than Chinese.

After 2020 China will produce many J-31s per year so there is economy of scale, higher industrial capacity and lower price per unit.

Also story of S-300 delivery to Iran shows that Russia wants to use weapon delivery to Iran as a bargaining tools with the West. Unlike Russia, China buys Iranian oil and will not use weapon sales to Iran as a bargaining tools with the West and also China as a huge country is immune to pressure from USA

Overall dealing with the Chinese superpower with its huge military spendings and industrial capacity and dependence on Iranian oil is better than to deal with Russia which frustrated the Indians with their Su-57, progress slowly with their aerospace industry and use Iran as a bargaining tool

There's nothing wrong with the Su-57.

IAF Chief: The J-20 "is not even in the same class as what even the Russian FGFA will be".

And of course, the Su-57 engine is far more advanced than anything the Chinese have.

We are backing out of FGFA because of our own reasons. It has nothing to do with the aircraft itself. More to do with politics and economic interests.

Iran's GDP is 1.7trl PPP and 440bln at exchange rate.
But Israel's GDP is smaller and they buy 100 F-35s
Iran is comparable to Turkey, so if Turkey buys 100-130 F-35s, Iran can buy J-31 once it is offered for export.

The Israeli F-35s are free of cost. The Americans are paying for it.

The LMFS will be far superior to the J-31 though.

 

[LKJ86]

There's nothing wrong with the Su-57.

IAF Chief: The J-20 "is not even in the same class as what even the Russian FGFA will be".

And of course, the Su-57 engine is far more advanced than anything the Chinese have.

We are backing out of FGFA because of our own reasons. It has nothing to do with the aircraft itself. More to do with politics and economic interests.



The Israeli F-35s are free of cost. The Americans are paying for it.

The LMFS will be far superior to the J-31 though.

What IAF does is more important than what it says.

 

[randomradio]

What IAF does is more important than what it says.

Dunno what you mean. The IAF is proceeding with the development of a much more advanced aircraft than what was planned for FGFA.

We backed out of FGFA R&D because it was a waste of money. No point in subsidising Russian R&D either.

In case we are interested, we can go back to just buying a few squadrons outright or license producing it like what we did with Su-30MKI. A decision for this will be made a few years down the line, after Russia finishes developing the Su-57 and placing a large order themselves.

 

[LKJ86]

Dunno what you mean. The IAF is proceeding with the development of a much more advanced aircraft than what was planned for FGFA.

We backed out of FGFA R&D because it was a waste of money. No point in subsidising Russian R&D either.

In case we are interested, we can go back to just buying a few squadrons outright or license producing it like what we did with Su-30MKI. A decision for this will be made a few years down the line, after Russia finishes developing the Su-57 and placing a large order themselves.

IAF always has ambitious plans.
I'm just interested in what it has done.

 

[randomradio]

IAF always has ambitious plans.

Not really. IAF is always on the look out for what's feasible and realistic.

I'm just interested in what it has done.

We have to wait and see.

 

[YeBeWarned]

Su-35 is best option in my opinion ..

 

[Skull and Bones]

 

[HttpError]

First line fighter should be ET, J-10, or SU-35. Second line fighters can be JF-17 Block 3, Gripen-E, or Migs

 

[Draco.IMF]

Dont be too excited, I think Iran will not be able to purchase such strategic weapons in 2020...USA will find some pretext to stop every deal and sanction everyone who will dare to sell aircrafts....mark my words

And neither russia or china are raliable "partners"..history shows

 

[randomradio]

Dont be too excited, I think Iran will not be able to purchase such strategic weapons in 2020...USA will find some pretext to stop every deal and sanction everyone who will dare to sell aircrafts....mark my words

And neither russia or china are raliable "partners"..history shows

Russia and China are already under CAATSA sanctions.

 

[TheImmortal]

What naive imbecile thinks the arms embargo is coming off next year?

The West is mobilizing an anti-Iran Force around the world and you think suddenly they will agree to remove arms embargo restrictions at U.N. level?

US has veto power and will veto any U.N. resolution to remove the embargo.

 

[AmirPatriot]

What naive imbecile thinks the arms embargo is coming off next year?

The West is mobilizing an anti-Iran Force around the world and you think suddenly they will agree to remove arms embargo restrictions at U.N. level?

US has veto power and will veto any U.N. resolution to remove the embargo.

There will be no UN resolution to remove the embargo, the embargo will simply expire as it was set to end in October 2020. The US will certainly not have the political capability to renew the UN embargo. They will likely have to fall back to just pressuring potential sellers unilaterally, like before UNSC 1929.

 

[raptor22]

F22 Raptor?

 

[TheImmortal]

There will be no UN resolution to remove the embargo, the embargo will simply expire as it was set to end in October 2020. The US will certainly not have the political capability to renew the UN embargo. They will likely have to fall back to just pressuring potential sellers unilaterally, like before UNSC 1929.

Second, this means that unless other members of the JCPOA trigger snap-back on their own, the prohibitions on transfers of conventional arms- and missile-missiles in UNSCR 2231 will still expire in 2020 and 2023. The United States will retain its ability to go after these transfers unilaterally through its own national authorities (which was the original Obama administration plan), but will have to do so in the potentially compromised sanctions environment that the rash decision to end U.S. participation in the JCPOA may engender.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.br...y-that-could-pose-problems-down-the-road/amp/

Iran could still face snap back provisions before 2020.

Either way, US could simply say anyone who sells arms to Iran will be subject to US sanctions and deny access to US financial system.

So that would leave Russia and china as only suitors. And Russia will not risk its arms deals with other clients over tiny arms deals with Iran. China is also very unreliable.

Thus I’m not optimistic Iran gets any big ticket items like fighter jets, warships, and submarines. Maybe some air defense systems (Pantsir or Tor or S-500) and smaller items like tanks and such.