what does the Pak armed forces realiticially need to counter india conventially

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

You are either making silly claims without verification, or lying outright. Wreaking a nuclear holocaust upon the subcontinent is a daily theme in Pakistan, from the politicians to the media and even in schools. Underlining phrases in bold does not turn hogwash into facts.

Please do provide credible links substantiating these claims of yours, both the tenor and frequency. And let's stick to mainstream politicians and mainstream media claims here.

As far as schools go, again, just pure unsubstantiated nonsense. If such sentiment permeated Pakistani society, you'd see it reflected in political campaigns, which it is not.

 

[Ifteqar Aisan]

Please do provide credible links substantiating these claims of yours, both the tenor and frequency. And let's stick to mainstream politicians and mainstream media claims here.

As far as schools go, again, just pure unsubstantiated nonsense. If such sentiment permeated Pakistani society, you'd see it reflected in political campaigns, which it is not.

It seems to be a favourite trick on PDF; to insist for links for something rudimentary. Make the other person give an illustrative example, and then dismiss it by trying to poke holes in it and thereby assailing theie position. Once the imaginary holes have been poked, one is free to thereby declare "victory" for the stated position. The focus is on making the other person expend their energy and then use the power of bland denial and asking for further evidence in support of the initial evidence to wear them down.

Don't play these tricks on me - Google "Pakistan" + "threatens nuclear war" and see what you come up with. And then read it. And then get back to me with more cleverness.

 

[Bossman]

Where did you see me denying or where did you see India Denying that??? Its Pakistan who hides Its forces deaths... be it in Cross border attacks or war.

Stop calling all Indians as hindus. 71!!!??? you people really need to learn the International version of history instead of your Military controlled Histories in the first place kid... its called propaganda. In 48 we successfully stopped you from Invading Kashmir.. you created a mess and ruined the lives of Kahmiris but now you want to act as a savior.. WTF..

Again in 65 you people smugged terrorosts and regular soldiers in civilian cloths (All hail the professionalism of Pakistan Military) and attacked Kahmir surprisingly.. but finally ened up saving lahore. let me not talk about the time when we cut of your country in 71.. again we gave you a hard slap in 85 and 99 we buried your own soldiers when your own military brass refused get their bodies (Highly professional of Him)

Ya you didn't lose in 71.. hell ya no one on earth can defeat Pakistan @@@

Kid.. we don't consider pakistan anymore threat as before.. ow our focus is China not you.. you're not worth. don't try to get any attention by nukes..

Your leaders are still complaining about so called Pak Occupied Kashmir, which is 40% of Kashmir Baltistan, which was captured in 1948 by Pakistan. If India had won the war in 1965, you would be drinking chota pegs in Lahore right now. You could not do anything after the Parliament attack or the Mumbai attack or Kargil or any other time when your leaders and military were blowing hot air. Some of the Indian hills taken over by Pakistan during Kargil are still under its control. Even right now with the clashes on the border your leaders were talking about teaching Pakistan a lesson, go check with BSF, your regular army and the people living on the border who was thought a lesson.

@waz
this is a problematic guy he just can't post with out getting personal , just check his post history , almost every other post of his , he starts his nonsense ,please take note



is this a joke ? If you din't loose , then Answer me , which Army surrendered & were taken as pow ? & which country campaigned to get their Army released ? & where were they released too ? who are you trying too fool eh?

If you don't like me, don't come to this site. If Indians come and keep bitching against Pakistan as always, they will continue to get $hit from me.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

It seems to be a favourite trick on PDF; to insist for links for something rudimentary. Make the other person give an illustrative example, and then dismiss it by trying to poke holes in it and thereby assailing theie position. Once the imaginary holes have been poked, one is free to thereby declare "victory" for the stated position. The focus is on making the other person expend their energy and then use the power of bland denial and asking for further evidence in support of the initial evidence to wear them down.

You made a very generalized, and in my view extremely dishonest, claim of 'widespread threats of nuclear holocaust by Pakistani politicians and media'. Serious allegations like that need to be carefully substantiated and scrutinized - your refusal to substantiate or defend your allegations only serves to illustrate the fact that your claims are lies and distortions meant to poison the minds of readers.

Don't play these tricks on me - Google "Pakistan" + "threatens nuclear war" and see what you come up with. And then read it. And then get back to me with more cleverness.

You mean 'results' that carry statements like the following:

"We should pray that such an option never arises, but if we need to use them (nuclear weapons) for our survival we will,” Asif said, according to Geo’s website."

I see no blatant 'threat of nuclear holocaust', merely a reminder to a hostile nation that Pakistan would use nuclear weapons were its survival (under attack by India) threatened. This statement (as in the prior example) clearly refers to a defensive response' by Pakistan under specific conditions (a military attack by India that threatens Pakistan's survival).

Far from 'getting back to you with more cleverness', I'll encourage you to improve your reading comprehension to better understand the context that various statements are made in and what they actually mean, rather than doing the equivalent of your 'google search' and letting your mind focus on a couple of phrases like 'Pakistan' and 'Nuclear weapons'.

With reading comprehension like yours, no wonder the end result is an opinion that sounds like the google search you suggested that lists distorted headlines churned out by the Indian media.

 

[Joe Shearer]

1)No corruption
De-regulate. Rules breed corruption.
2) No cross border terror support by India and Afghanistan
Stop training and infiltrating terrorists into India.
3) Capable and honest leadership
Pass.
4) Unity, faith and discipline
Pass.
5) Army to be part of National Security council of Pakistan
Yes, Pakistan MUST get out of the National Security Council of the Pakistan Army.
6) More budget for clean cities and drinking water
? How will that help?
7) Navy & Air Force budget to increase.
Agreed. Need to act on this urgently.

Responses above, interleaved.

Are you a traitor to your own country?

Why? He can't, as a student of military affairs, comment on another state's military without being a traitor to his own? I hope you are not as silly as your question was.

@Bossman no he's just chilling.
@thrilainmanila
JFTs aren't meant for any type of air superiority.
JFT is low cost, so, PAF can induct it in large numbers.
First you guys should improve your economy, make a dense road and rail network and then, make peace with us. Why everybody in green forums always things of wars.
India has many more important issue to care about instead of messing with western neighbours.
I believe Pakistan should also have.

You are not the only one asking himself this.

History tells us otherwise, Operation Parakram by India was a total failure. Even after Mumbai attacks, India could not do any thing. Even with conventional disparity the cost to the Indians for attacking Pakistan is too high. All the ideas in the postings above are bull$hit. Operation Cold start has been neutralized.

An Indian telling Pakistan, how to successfully fight India is either a traitor to his country or an oxymoron or simply an moron.

And you sit there and calmly take the Mumbai attacks as a given, and talk of treachery or being a moron? Interesting.

India is very good at spinning facts and fooling themselves. Indians lost 1500 men during operation Parakram without firing a bullet in anger. Its like their military projects, when they fail they all become technology demonstrators. The only thing Hindus can been proud of over the last 1,000 years is 71. 71 made Pakistan stronger. Today we are a bigger threat to Indians than before 71, so what did India gain from 71? Any way we did not loose to India in 71 we lost to 50 million bengalis, who did not like us anymore. India were just the facilitators. India is all about hot air and bollywood drama. No real balls.

Amazing how you've actually won all these and been consistently victorious all these years, and nobody noticed.

Hi,

Why is that---is your dad or your uncles---older brothers and grandfathers etc or your family looting and plundering the resources of Pakistan---and you don't want anyone to interfere---is that the reason!

That was a low blow, Sir.

Well on the topic we need a Navy with at least 16 to 18 Frigates and 6 Destroyers along with 14 submarines which include two nuclear and Air Force wit around 500 latest Fighter Jets and an Army with of 0.7 million

These dhobi lists are abominable. Isn't it better to define missions and then decide which equipment to buy, rather than doing it the other way around?

If Pakistan could have won the war, it would have started it already. War is the easiest way to wrest Kashmir from India. But the realities are different. You cannot win a war against India that is why you go to UN and US and make noise.

....and promote terrorism, 24x7

 

[Ifteqar Aisan]

You made a very generalized, and in my view extremely dishonest, claim of 'widespread threats of nuclear holocaust by Pakistani politicians and media'. Serious allegations like that need to be carefully substantiated and scrutinized - your refusal to substantiate or defend your allegations only serves to illustrate the fact that your claims are lies and distortions meant to poison the minds of readers.

You mean 'results' that carry statements like the following:

"We should pray that such an option never arises, but if we need to use them (nuclear weapons) for our survival we will,” Asif said, according to Geo’s website."

I see no blatant 'threat of nuclear holocaust', merely a reminder to a hostile nation that Pakistan would use nuclear weapons were its survival (under attack by India) threatened. This statement (as in the prior example) clearly refers to a defensive response' by Pakistan under specific conditions (a military attack by India that threatens Pakistan's survival).

Far from 'getting back to you with more cleverness', I'll encourage you to improve your reading comprehension to better understand the context that various statements are made in and what they actually mean, rather than doing the equivalent of your 'google search' and letting your mind focus on a couple of phrases like 'Pakistan' and 'Nuclear weapons'.

With reading comprehension like yours, no wonder the end result is an opinion that sounds like the google search you suggested that lists distorted headlines churned out by the Indian media.

More cleverness. Civilized nations don not give "reminders" to other nations that they can unleash nuclear war on them. Israel claims that it faces an existential threat from Iran, and has nukes. It does not "remind" Iran that it can cause a nuclear holocaust in the middle east. Scared delinquents make such threats, which is what we are.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Hi,

what you Indians don't realize that we are not concerned with your 7 or 10 times----what our concern is to hold you for 72 hours---if we can---then we will smash thru----.

Your navy does not bother us a tad bit-----it is actually the least of our worries----.

See---we also have our version of cold star doctrine----. And our assessment is that we can strike hard and cut off major land area-----but our concern is that is india going to go nuclear----?

In our geographical situation---the cold start doctrine suits our purpose and vision and operation better than yours---.

The thing is that our sole purpose in life is to fight you and conquer you----your sole purpose in life is tomake money----so you cannot keep on with us----.

And again---you money expenditure does not bother us a tad bit----because most of it is wasted----and then there are other issues as well.

Truth be told---how many Indians get up everyday and say we want to destroy and conquer Pakistan---not many---but how about Pakistan----!!!! Think about it---. That is all we think---from dawn till dusk----.

You guys ought to be grateful to your leaders that you got the nucs----otherwise---you would have seen our cold start doctrine as well by now---.

Oh, great!

have you even understood what you did to us.

 

[MilSpec]

what does the Pak armed forces realiticially need to counter india conventially

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Well, grammatical sense and ability to spell the words correctly would be a good place to start.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

More cleverness. Civilized nations don not give "reminders" to other nations that they can unleash nuclear war on them. Israel claims that it faces an existential threat from Iran, and has nukes. It does not "remind" Iran that it can cause a nuclear holocaust in the middle east. Scared delinquents make such threats, which is what we are.

Israel doesn't officially possess nuclear weapons, so it can't officially make any such threat, though Israeli political, media and public discourse is full of calls for launching a bombing campaign against Iran.

Civilized nations have every right to issue reminders/warnings to hostile nations posing an existential threat to them, especially when the nation being warned is run by a genocidal maniac whose government and party members issue random threats against Pakistan and spout inflammatory rhetoric about 'teaching Pakistan a lesson' every chance they get. The statements from Pakistani politicians are a response to the ugly and hateful threats and warnings coming out of India, and not some random and unprovoked rhetoric.

 

[Ifteqar Aisan]

Israel doesn't officially possess nuclear weapons, so it can't officially make any such threat, though Israeli political, media and public discourse is full of calls for launching a bombing campaign against Iran.

Civilized nations have every right to issue reminders/warnings to hostile nations posing an existential threat to them, especially when the nation being warned is run by a genocidal maniac whose government and party members issue random threats against Pakistan and spout inflammatory rhetoric about 'teaching Pakistan a lesson' every chance they get. The statements from Pakistani politicians are a response to the ugly and hateful threats and warnings coming out of India, and not some random and unprovoked rhetoric.

Calling others "genocidal maniacs" is easy, especially when one tends to ignore one's own past. Party members do not run foreign policy in India, so their words carry little weight. In any case, "we will teach a lesson to xyz because they sponsor LeT, JuD etc. who cause death and destruction in our country" sounds slightly better than "we will teach them a lesson by nuking them because they dare to consider aggression to halt our support for LeT, JuD etc".

 

[deckingraj]

Israel doesn't officially possess nuclear weapons, so it can't officially make any such threat, though Israeli political, media and public discourse is full of calls for launching a bombing campaign against Iran.

Civilized nations have every right to issue reminders/warnings to hostile nations posing an existential threat to them, especially when the nation being warned is run by a genocidal maniac whose government and party members issue random threats against Pakistan and spout inflammatory rhetoric about 'teaching Pakistan a lesson' every chance they get. The statements from Pakistani politicians are a response to the ugly and hateful threats and warnings coming out of India, and not some random and unprovoked rhetoric.

Sorry to say both bold parts are nothing but pile of lie....Civilized nations don't keep threatening about Nuking your opponent....and honestly i don't even get the logic behind it...you have nukes...we know world knows...you have tactical weapons we know that...what is the reason to keep shouting from roof top that you have tactical weapons apart from getting a tag of immature nuclear power??

Secondly are you saying that Pakistan was not threatening the nuke showdown when MMS was in?? Honestly you guys hate for Modi is now reaching a new level....geez!!

 

[Ind4Ever]

First and foremost we need armed forces that stick to defending the borders and not interfere in the politics, domestic and foreign policies of Pakistan !

Internal interference also OK given the situation in the country. But charting foreign policies are very bad for civil society. Army can't think beyond blood bath

Go read history. Whenever india was invaded from the West, the attacking armies were always smaller in size than the defenders but the defenders almost always lost. India has had aircraft carriers since the 50s but during wars they usually never leave their ports.

Pakistan has countered India conventionally for the last 68 years and will continue to do so.

LOL seriously man? Countred India like what? Reality is really different from this view

 

[Yoddha]

India is very good at spinning facts and fooling themselves. Indians lost 1500 men during operation Parakram without firing a bullet in anger. Its like their military projects, when they fail they all become technology demonstrators. The only thing Hindus can been proud of over the last 1,000 years is 71. 71 made Pakistan stronger. Today we are a bigger threat to Indians than before 71, so what did India gain from 71? Any way we did not loose to India in 71 we lost to 50 million bengalis, who did not like us anymore. India were just the facilitators. India is all about hot air and bollywood drama. No real balls.

Sorry but why is it that while mentioning INDIA...often **** members start painting their arguments with religion brush.... and then you call Indian (or as per you all Indians are Hindus) are biased, communal etc...and this infact is the biggest GAP.

In my opinion, foremost thing Pak should do is separate religion with state affairs and emphasize on modern education.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Calling others "genocidal maniacs" is easy, especially when one tends to ignore one's own past.

When was Nawaz Sharif accused of genocide or communal massacre of thousands of people belonging to a different ethnic or religious group?

Party members do not run foreign policy in India, so their words carry little weight.

They don't run foreign policy in Pakistan either, but their words absolutely carry weight given their prominence in political hierarchy and the media treats them as such and in turn poisons the minds of the populace by highlighting and cheering said party members on. The Indian politicians and media have done a fantastic job of spewing hateful poison and propaganda since the BJP's ascent to power.

In any case, "we will teach a lesson to xyz because they sponsor LeT, JuD etc. who cause death and destruction in our country" sounds slightly better than "we will teach them a lesson by nuking them because they dare to consider aggression to halt our support for LeT, JuD etc".

Yet another outright distortion, in fact, given that I 'copy pasted' the Defence Minister's statement in my previous post, your comment is an outright lie - The statement is clear - Pakistan will consider nuclear weapons in the face of a military attack from India that threatens her survival, and the statement was in response to a plethora of unprovoked ceasefire violations by the Indian military and hateful and threatening rants by members of the Indian government and the ruling party.

 

[MilSpec]

Where is @black-hawk_101 when you need him,