What do people of Pakistan think about Gandhi

[Spectre]

Did Gandi tried to save Baghat singh from prosecution? He supported or opposed his prosecution?

Does it matter? This thread is not about who is better. Gandhi himself was a prisoner of British for most of the time and the most powerful Brit of them all Winston Churchill who was at first Lord of Admiralty, then Home Minister then PM was known Gandhi hater. So I wonder how much influence he had. But that is besides the point.

I have made it clear Gandhi did not agree with violence and hence probably did not support Bhagat Singh but that does not mean Gandhi did not sacrifice for India's freedom

 

[livingdead]

lots of Indians have misconception about Gandhi. Gandhians idolize him, he is almost like jesus for them. On other hand RSS types hate him for his so called proximity to muslims.
Vast majority in the middle just know him as person who gave us freedom.

 

[Spectre]

lots of Indians have misconception about Gandhi. Gandhians idolize him, he is almost like jesus for them. On other hand RSS types hate him for his so called proximity to muslims.
Vast majority in the middle just know him as person who gave us freedom.

Well said, exactly my feelings on this matter.

 

[Kabira]

Typical banya.

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

Does it matter? This thread is not about who is better. Gandhi himself was a prisoner of British for most of the time and the most powerful Brit of them all Winston Churchill who was at first Lord of Admiralty, then Home Minister then PM was known Gandhi hater. So I wonder how much influence he had. But that is besides the point.

I have made it clear Gandhi did not agree with violence and hence probably did not support Bhagat Singh but that does not mean Gandhi did not sacrifice for India's freedom

yes it matter because you cannot love two people who have contradictory ideas or ideology ..either you inspired with ideologyof gandhi or bhagat singh who went against his philosophy

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

Not really... indian troops never revolted.... except muslim soldiers from modern day Pak... who did revolt a few times when they were sent to fight against fellow muslim ottomans.. i.e in Singapore and Mesopotamia... or indonesia (under Jinnahs order 1000 Troops changed sides with indonesians against allies).



So you respect nathuram godse?

But then actually my friend, revolting for some far off people, who have no relation with you (never cared for u ofcourse) isnt exactly called Patriotism or fighting for ur Motherland. Singapore was under the control of INA, and Subash Deputy was a Muslim. British Indian Army had Muslims and Hindus alike in same regiment, who worked in all helluva living conditions.

But calling only the Muslims soldiers fought against British, looks like plain stupidity. (If thats what had been taught, God save Pakistani Kids)
Me on the other hand shall never claim, only Hindus fought for our Independence. There was a reason that Army was called British Indian Army(Consisting soldiers of united India) and not British Muslim Army.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

But then actually my friend, revolting for some far off people, who have no relation with you (never cared for u ofcourse) isnt exactly called Patriotism or fighting for ur Motherland. Singapore was under the control of INA, and Subash Deputy was a Muslim. British Indian Army had Muslims and Hindus alike in same regiment, who worked in all helluva living conditions.

But calling only the Muslims soldiers fought against British, looks like plain stupidity. (If thats what had been taught, God save Pakistani Kids)
Me on the other hand shall never claim, only Hindus fought for ur Independence. There was a reason that Army was called British Indian Army(Consisting soldiers of united India) and not British Muslim Army.

what are you blabbering about? where did i say all British soldiers were muslim or from Pak?

Where did i even post any communal nonsense? INA sure had people like Shahnawaz Khan etc.. but the reality is that is achieved nothing! ... it was used by axis powers as a mere propoganda tool to seek some revolt in the British indian army... which failed.... apart from that... INA achieved nothing on the battle field.. etc.. it had no hand in the freedom of the sub continent.

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

Vast majority in the middle just know him as person who gave us freedom.

How he gave you freedom? do you believe that those British gave you this freedom because of non violence philosophy of gandhi?

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

what are you blabbering about? where did i say all British soldiers were muslim or from Pak?

Where did i even post any communal nonsense? INA sure had people like Shahnawaz Khan etc.. but the reality is that is achieved nothing! ... it was used by axis powers as a mere propoganda tool to seek some revolt in the British indian army... which failed.... apart from that... INA achieved nothing on the battle field.. etc.. it had no hand in the freedom of the sub continent.

True. What about ur blabbering on revolts being Muslims led? Enlighten me. My whole reply was based on ur idiotic thoughts.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

True. What about ur blabbering on revolts being Muslims led? Enlighten me. My whole reply was based on ur idiotic thoughts.

Okay . now listen carefully retard... although you cant comprehend what we were talkin about ... let me spoon feed you like the baby you are...


Singapore revolt where Pashtuns and Punjabi Musalman soldiers rebelled when they came to know that they were being deployed to fight Ottomans.

The revolt in Mesopotamia by a whole Muslim Punjab regiment when they were told to fight Turks.

The revolt in Indonesia where muslim soldiers (Around 1000) from modern day Pak rebelled and joined indonesians against allied troops.


These were the only revolts by british indian army against british authorities - after 1957 mutiny... the NIA had nothing to do with these.. as a poster here claimed that NIA's
success included british indian military troops rebelling against the british...


P.S: The british didnt recruit south indians.. they did initially recruit some groups like coorgs? and nairs.. but they were undisciplined and unsoldierly and hence disbanded... for more.. read David Omissi's 1957 sepoy mutiny.. he has documented everything down to the smallest details.. from recruitment to habits etc of each ethnic group... all collected from official british records and research... david omissi is a famous british historian.

 

[doppelganger]

what are you blabbering about? where did i say all British soldiers were muslim or from Pak?

Where did i even post any communal nonsense? INA sure had people like Shahnawaz Khan etc.. but the reality is that is achieved nothing! ... it was used by axis powers as a mere propoganda tool to seek some revolt in the British indian army... which failed.... apart from that... INA achieved nothing on the battle field.. etc.. it had no hand in the freedom of the sub continent.

Sigh.

For someone who claims to come from a warrior clan, and a proud nationalist, you have a disturbing tendency of parroting the British line on historical fact.

The INA was less about military impact and more about a much larger awakening.

The INA eventually triggered the BIA from mobilizing.

The INA was the trigger of the naval mutiny.

The INA and the BIA cannot really be separated once the war was done. And Johnny came home.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Sigh.

For someone who claims to come from a warrior clan, and a proud nationalist, you have a disturbing tendency of parroting the British line on historical fact.

The INA was less about military impact and more about a much larger awakening.

How did that go? how did it make a large impact or awakening... with india sending a million troops to fight for england?

The INA eventually triggered the BIA from mobilizing.

Where to? BIA was fighting everywhere.. france,egypt,burma,iraq,gallipoli .. you name it!

The INA was the trigger of the naval mutiny.

Havent heard about any naval mutiny... id like to .. please post a link.

The INA and the BIA cannot really be separated once the war was done. And Johnny came home.

BIA became Indian and Pak armies respectively...INA was disbanded.. although INA "soldiers" were given pensions etc.. but india forgot the BIA troops.. but Pak didnt...

 

[doppelganger]

How did that go? how did it make a large impact or awakening... with india sending a million troops to fight for england?

Where to? BIA was fighting everywhere.. france,egypt,burma,iraq,gallipoli .. you name it!

Havent heard about any naval mutiny... id like to .. please post a link.

BIA became Indian and Pak armies respectively...INA was disbanded.. although INA "soldiers" were given pensions etc.. but india forgot the BIA troops.. but Pak didnt...

Sleepy now. Some other time.

 

[Shamain]

I've been taught that he Was a good man & wanted us to have our share of money after partition

This is something ishud corrrect now. The widely circulated snippet of history which indians often use to get pakistanis emotional is that gandhi had gone on hunger strike so that pakistanis will be returned back their 55 crores that was held by greedy indians. It was a lie peddled by some politicians of that time and now indians for oneupmanship. When gandhi had sit for the fast he had a list of demands ,some letter he wrote, which never stated that he wants the sum to be sent to pak. Apparently due to intl pressure indian gov feared they will have to hand back our share, so for face saving they had used gandhis name.

I had even found link of the newspaper i think the hindu, which had published gandhis fast's conditions,i cant find it now. In those conditions he had nowhere asked for return of pakistani funds

I found excerpts from a book:

These were gandhis demands:

"Now that I have started my fast many people cannot understand what I am doing, who are the offenders � Hindus or Sikhs or Muslims. How long will the fast last? I say I do not blame anyone. Who am I to accuse others? I have said that we have all sinned.�

He continued: �I shall terminate the fast only when peace has returned to Delhi. If peace is restored to Delhi it will have effect not only on the whole of India but also on Pakistan and when that happens, a Muslim can walk around in the city all by himself. I shall then terminate the fast. Delhi is the capital of India. It has always been the capital of India. So long as things do not return to normal in Delhi, they will not be normal either in India or in Pakistan. Today I cannot bring Suhrawardy here because I fear someone may insult him. Today he cannot walk about in the streets of Delhi. If he did he would be assaulted. What I want is that he should be able to move about here even in the dark. It is true that he made efforts in Calcutta only when Muslims became involved. Still, he could have made the situation worse, if he had wanted, but he did not want to make things worse. He made the Muslims evacuate the places they had forcibly occupied and said that he being the Premier could do so. Even if it takes a whole month to have real peace established in Delhi it does not matter. People should not do anything merely to have me terminate the fast. So my wish is that Hindus, Sikhs, Parsis, Christians and Muslims who are in India should continue to live in India and India should become a country where everyone�s life and property are safe. Only then will India progress.�

�My fast should not be considered a political move in any sense of the term. It is in obedience to the peremptory call of conscience and duty. It comes out of felt agony. I call to witness all my numerous Muslim friends in Delhi. Their representatives meet me almost every day to report the day�s events. Neither Rajas and Maharajas nor Hindus and Sikhs or any others would serve themselves or India as a whole, if at this, what is to me a sacred juncture, they mislead me with a view to terminating my fast� (CWMG 98:248)"


And here is the list of demands that then Congress president, Rajendra prasad agreed to fulfil. They are called, seven points delhi declaration of 18 january 1948.
Gamdhi had begu fast on 13 and ended on 18.

Rajendra prasads words:


"SEVEN-POINT DECLARATION OF JANUARY 18, 1948

�We wish to announce that it is our heart-felt desire that the Hindus, Muslims and Sikhs and members of the other communities should once again live in Delhi like brothers and in perfect amity and we take the pledge that we shall protect the life, property and faith of Muslims and that the incidents which have taken place in Delhi will not happen again.

�We want to assure Gandhiji that the annual fair at Khwaja Qutub-ud-Din Mazar will be held this year as in the previous years.

�Muslims will be able to move about in Subzimandi, Karol Bagh, Paharganj and other localities just as they could in the past.

�The mosques which have been left by Muslims and which now are in the possession of Hindus and Sikhs will be returned. The areas which have been set apart for Muslims will not be forcibly occupied.

�We shall not object to the return to Delhi of the Muslims who have migrated from here if they choose to come back and Muslims shall be able to carry on their business as before.

�We assure that all these things will be done by our personal effort and not with the help of the police or military.

�We request Mahatmaji to believe us and to give up his fast and continue to lead us as he has done hitherto.� .�

(CWMG, vol 98, p 249, 253).


Nowhere had gandhi ever demanded 55 crore nor was agreed by the ruling government.
Link that i used. I will keep looking for that news report ihad found online and if i find it will share it
Another time, another mosque: Gandhi in 1948 | India Resists

Typical banya.

THE BEST POST. You summed it perfectly in just two words. Dont wanna get into the details of his character.

 

[nForce]

How he gave you freedom? do you believe that those British gave you this freedom because of non violence philosophy of gandhi?

How, in your opinion did we become independent ?