What do Indians think of Timurlane?

[RazPaK]

Choudhry has arrived.

I have to rush.

Cant play.

That's Chaudhry saab to you.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

That's Chaudhry saab to you.

Hey Razpak, i think you missed my post addressing you:

@Razpak , I noticed you thanked some posts here and remeber you mentioning yourself as a Jat.

Just curious what your opinions are on below memoirs of Timur:

On the 8th of the month I marched from Ahruni, through the jungle to a village called Tohana. In answer to the inquiries I made about the inhabitants, I learned that they were a robust race, and were called Jats. They were Musulmans only in name and had not their equals in theft and highway robbery. They plundered caravans upon the road, and were a terror to Musulmans and travelers. They had now abandoned the village and had fled to the sugar-cane fields, the [p. 45] valleys, and the jungles.2 When these facts reached my ears I prepared a force which I placed under the direction of Tokal Bahadur, son of the Hindu Karkarra,3 and sent it against the Jats. They accordingly marched into the sugar-canes and jungles. I also sent Maulana Nasiru-d din in pursuit of them. When these forces overtook the Jats they put 200 to the sword and made the rest prisoners. A large stock of cattle was captured, and my soldiers returned to camp.

It was again brought to my knowledge that these turbulent Jats were as numerous as ants or locusts, and that no, traveler or merchant passed unscathed from their hands. They had now taken flight, and had gone into jungles and deserts hard to penetrate. A few of them had been killed, but it was my fixed determination to clear from thieves and robbers every country that I subdued, so that the servants of God, and Musulmans and travellers might be secure from their violence. My great object in invading Hindustan had been to wage a religious war against the infidel Hindus, and it now appeared to me that it was necessary for me to put down these Jats and to deliver travelers from their hands. I consequently placed the care of the baggage and of all the plunder which had been gained in my victories in charge of Amir Sulaiman Shah, to convey it with the heavy baggage to the town of Samana.

On the 9th of the month I despatched the baggage from Tohana, and on the same day I marched into the jungles and wilds, and slew 2,000 demon-like Jats. I made their wives and children captives, and plundered their cattle and property. Thus I delivered the country from the terror it had long suffered at the hands of the marauding Jats. On the same day a party of saiyids, who [p. 46] dwelt in the vicinity, came with courtesy and humility to wait upon me, and were very graciously received. In my reverence for the race of the prophet, I treated their chiefs with great honour. I gave them all valuable robes, and I appointed an officer to go to their abodes and protect them, so that none of my soldiers should do them any injury.

 

[Tshering22]

What we think about Timur..?

He was just another one of uncultured, barbarians from that region of Asia.

What else can we feel about him?

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

You're ignorant

They held parts of India.

When the North was being taken over. The South was doing fine.

Cholas sent fleets to S.E. Asia when the North was being attacked.

It's like saying the British controlled India for 200 years. The British raj(All of India) existed for 90+ years. But the British was in India for 200 years. Mostly in Bengal.

Slight correction , British were in Bengal region for 190 years not 200 i.e 1757-1947

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

He is one of many invaders of India. In most nations, invaders are despised. But with how many Indians adore Britih imperialist! It's hard to tell if Indians also dislike Timur

Really? I found myself pakistanis supporting british rule in sub continent in sterday's thread..
Moreover, Timur is hated !!

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

Just went through the first 7 pages of this thread, came to the conclusion that there is no point discussing history with people on a web site infesed with Indophobes and Hinduphobes. It's a wasteful exercise.

 

[humanfirst]

may be those were not good muslim or the muslims doing the shrik.

So thousands of muslims were killed by timur because they were not good muslims..?

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

So thousands of muslims were killed by timur because they were not good muslims..?

Just like Taliban and Lashkar e jhanghvi is doing in Pak today.

Some heroes these people have

 

[KingMamba]

Timur was a barbaric war monger who saw an opportunity to seize power and did so. Him claiming to fight in the name of Islam was just a cop out excuse he peddled forward to his uneducated lot and his actions revealed his true intentions. He wanted power, power, and more power that is all.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Just went through the first 7 pages of this thread, came to the conclusion that there is no point discussing history with people on a web site infesed with Indophobes and Hinduphobes. It's a wasteful exercise.

Heh.

Guess what they say about us.

 

[humanfirst]

Hey Razpak, i think you missed my post addressing you:

On the 8th of the month I marched from Ahruni, through the jungle to a village called Tohana. In answer to the inquiries I made about the inhabitants, I learned that they were a robust race, and were called Jats. They were Musulmans only in name and had not their equals in theft and highway robbery. They plundered caravans upon the road, and were a terror to Musulmans and travelers. They had now abandoned the village and had fled to the sugar-cane fields, the [p. 45] valleys, and the jungles.2 When these facts reached my ears I prepared a force which I placed under the direction of Tokal Bahadur, son of the Hindu Karkarra,3 and sent it against the Jats. They accordingly marched into the sugar-canes and jungles. I also sent Maulana Nasiru-d din in pursuit of them. When these forces overtook the Jats they put 200 to the sword and made the rest prisoners. A large stock of cattle was captured, and my soldiers returned to camp.

It was again brought to my knowledge that these turbulent Jats were as numerous as ants or locusts, and that no, traveler or merchant passed unscathed from their hands. They had now taken flight, and had gone into jungles and deserts hard to penetrate. A few of them had been killed, but it was my fixed determination to clear from thieves and robbers every country that I subdued, so that the servants of God, and Musulmans and travellers might be secure from their violence. My great object in invading Hindustan had been to wage a religious war against the infidel Hindus, and it now appeared to me that it was necessary for me to put down these Jats and to deliver travelers from their hands. I consequently placed the care of the baggage and of all the plunder which had been gained in my victories in charge of Amir Sulaiman Shah, to convey it with the heavy baggage to the town of Samana.

On the 9th of the month I despatched the baggage from Tohana, and on the same day I marched into the jungles and wilds, and slew 2,000 demon-like Jats. I made their wives and children captives, and plundered their cattle and property. Thus I delivered the country from the terror it had long suffered at the hands of the marauding Jats. On the same day a party of saiyids, who [p. 46] dwelt in the vicinity, came with courtesy and humility to wait upon me, and were very graciously received. In my reverence for the race of the prophet, I treated their chiefs with great honour. I gave them all valuable robes, and I appointed an officer to go to their abodes and protect them, so that none of my soldiers should do them any injury.

Some days back one pashtun member was glorifying baburs invasion..I notified him of passages in baburnamah where it mentions mass murder of pathans by babur,and its gleeful way of mentioning how babur's army made mountains out of severed heads of dead pasthuns..The guy didn't even reply and carried on glorifying invader..These people have an existential need to accept and glorify invaders,no matter what those invaders did to their ancestors..

 

[Type 052D]

I hate to admit this, but India did save the rest of Asia from Greeks, Yui Chi, Scythians (indo-Scythians), More aggressiveness Arabs, Protagese/Spanish conquesdors, and the British (we lost HK though, imagine if the UK was not pre-occupied with India!?)