What declaring Burhan Wani a 'terrorist' says about you

[jaunty]

When you take up arms against the state you die. It is as simple as that. There is no need to over-analyze whether he was a militant or a terrorist. To me he was an Islamist terrorist, who used his religion as a tool for violence. If you want to call him a militant, go ahead. The end result does not change, it is the same for him or the one after him.

 

[Maler]

If the group ASSIGNS people to target civilians that group automatically becomes a terrorist organization along all of their associates. But if they have rogue members that target civilians when the group does not assign them to target civilians you cannot call that group a terrorist organization...just an insurgent group with rogues in them....there may be a couple of US soldiers who targeted and killed civilians in the Iraq war that does not make the US armed forces a terrorist organization.
An interesting case is the Taliban....the US itself has a hard time classifying them as a terrorist or an insurgent...but from a military and legal standpoint these classification are important.

You are comparing apples with oranges. If an organization knows and rogue members still operating in that organization, what you call them then?? On the other hand, when atrocities committed by US service personnel came to the notice of US Govt/Military, they were tried, dismissed from service and sentenced.
Also, when you become a commander of India, US & EU designated terrorist organization then what would you be called an insurgent. As you mentioned above, I don't think US & EU call or classify an organization (HM) as terrorist organization without any reasons as the Taliban example given by you. Do they????

 

[jaunty]

In that case he is a terrorist...J&K police officers are valid targets for him as an insurgent...but targeting civilians does make him a terrorist.

You would be hard-pressed to find such idealistic militants anywhere in the world who only target security forces. They generally target anyone who is not with them.

 

[Anubis]

You would be hard-pressed to find such idealistic militants anywhere in the world who only target security forces. They generally target anyone who is not with them.

We did it in 71.. Yes some rogue members targeted civilians but most of our Mukti Bahini knew what they were doing...

You are comparing apples with oranges. If an organization knows and rogue members still operating in that organization, what you call them then?? On the other hand, when atrocities committed by US service personnel came to the notice of US Govt/Military, they were tried, dismissed from service and sentenced.
Also, when you become a commander of India, US & EU designated terrorist organization then what would you be called an insurgent. As you mentioned above, I don't think US & EU call or classify an organization (HM) as terrorist organization without any reasons as the Taliban example given by you. Do they????

They are still insurgents...no rational military force in the world expects insurgent groups to be as organized as a professional military force to try and convict rogue members...thats why Iraqi insurgents were still called insurgents and not terrorists even though there were multiple cases Iraqi insurgents killed civilians.
"Also, when you become a commander of India, US & EU designated terrorist organization then what would you be called an insurgent."
I don't understand what you mean in this sentence.

 

[DesiGuy1403]

The nonsense spewed by the obvious sections supporting terrorist Pig wani is sickening.
Especially when you consider these sections killing "freedom fighters" in their own countries and labelling them as terrorists.

These sections must choose...Either people who kill innocents are terrorists or freedom fighters. Based on geography of attack, the label can not change.

This Pig wani, died squealing. Yesterday 4 more pigs died and another pig was captured and he is squealing like all pigs do. There are 11 more Hizbul pigs waiting to be slaughtered and will be slaughtered soon.

The sympathetic section here can cry but it won't change the fact that these pigs will be exterminated.

 

[Maler]

We did it in 71.. Yes some rogue members targeted civilians but most of our Mukti Bahini knew what they were doing...


They are still insurgents...no rational military force in the world expects insurgent groups to be as organized as a professional military force to try and convict rogue members...thats why Iraqi insurgents were still called insurgents and not terrorists even though there were multiple cases Iraqi insurgents killed civilians.
"Also, when you become a commander of India, US & EU designated terrorist organization then what would you be called an insurgent."
I don't understand what you mean in this sentence.

Let me make it easy for you...

When an individual be designated as commander of India, US & EU designated terrorist organization (that is Hizbul Mujahedin) what would you call that individual then, an insurgent or a terrorist??

So you mean to say ISIS in Iraq is an insurgent group and not terrorist???

 

[JanjaWeed]

How many threads will people make on this topic ? Whining about Wani is not going to bring him back from the grave. Let it go already...

Even terrorist's legacy has a short shelf life...only till the next one goes down! Till then...you'll have to make peace with making of a legend! & only Indian security forces can decide on the timeline! Either they can let this Wani's worship last for long or make it short by offering a new one!

 

[Anubis]

Let me make it easy for you...

When an individual be designated as commander of India, US & EU designated terrorist organization (that is Hizbul Mujahedin) what would you call that individual then, an insurgent or a terrorist??

So you mean to say ISIS in Iraq is an insurgent group and not terrorist???

That person is a terrorist....you clearly have no knowledge about iraqi insurgency....if you did you wouldn't have made the stupid move of bringing up IS.
Let me google that for you

 

[livingdead]

I do not agree with you there. The killing of their Hindu Pandits was not religious then what was it? Were they not invited for that independence party? Why not? I have no hesitation in calling it what it is.

both type of people are involved... besides hindus were thought to be agent of India, so it may not be religiously motivated... killing of hindus was an act of terror however not every militant group was involved in that. What I am suggesting is, the usual simple idea of kashmir militancy is part of global jihad narrative is incorrect... those who were motivated by jihadi ideology were mostly foreigners(pakistanis and afgans)

 

[adil_minhas]

both type of people are involved... besides hindus were thought to be agent of India, so it may not be religiously motivated... killing of hindus was an act of terror however not every militant group was involved in that. What I am suggesting is, the usual simple idea of kashmir militancy is part of global jihad narrative is incorrect... those who were motivated by jihadi ideology were mostly foreigners(pakistanis and afgans)

I never said anything about Jihad. Local or global.

It is an insurgency. Plain and simple. And it should and will be crushed by our state.

What happened in Gujarat became an Indian problem. The whole country was involved in it for many years. But what happened to the Pandits in Kashmir, remained in Kashmir. Becoming an out of state issue, even as close by as Jammu. The ripples strangely never felt elsewhere. The one place we were and are in larger numbers, and this is what we did.

Yet here we live as free citizens all over our land. Outnumbered everywhere. This incident causes us shame.

 

[Danish saleem]

Lets assume a 15 member group, out which same 1 or 2 people always assigned a job to eliminate civilian targets. So going by your logic those 1 or 2 are terrorist and remaining 13 are not??




Sleeper Cells, more dangerous than active or known one's!!!!!




Zarvan, just keyboard farting or you are going to do something to avenge the killing of your loving Mujahid by Kafir's??? When are you coming to India to avenge and ensuring a place for yourself in Jan'ah??

and because of these sleeper cells, Indian government imposed the Curfew??
and because of these sleeper cells, 5000 people injured ??

 

[Maler]

and because of these sleeper cells, Indian government imposed the Curfew??
and because of these sleeper cells, 5000 people injured ??

Yes, absolutely thats the case. These sleeper cells got activated by notorious establishment of our western neighbor. Its not the Indian Govt but the State Govt of J&K which imposed curfew.

Don't forget the figure you quoted for injured, a major chunk from that is of security personnel!!! Also, when you attack security forces with Molotov, Grenades, Stones and Rods/Sticks to kill, maim or injure, the state would retaliate with brute force. Always remember in today's nation states, only state has the right to violence.

That person is a terrorist....you clearly have no knowledge about iraqi insurgency....if you did you wouldn't have made the stupid move of bringing up IS.
Let me google that for you

I have reasonable knowledge about dynamics of Iraqi insurgency, mostly lead by ex Iraqi army personnel (Sunni). It was an insurgency until it aligned itself with Abu Musab al-Zarqawi lead Al-Qaeda (which later transformed itself into ISIS) and also transitioned into a Shia-Sunni conflict. But this is not the thread to discuss it. So leave it.........

 

[Malik Usman]

Osama Bin Laden death resulted in larger mourning crowd in Pakistan? What do you consider him?

Large mourning crowed.........yes that must be shown on Funny Indian TV Channels only...............