What can Pakistan can purchase to improve air defense?

[CHI RULES]

Options are :
SAMPT Aster 30 from italy . Range 120 +
HQ9 from China . Range 180 - 200 km
S300 PMU2 frim russia . Range 300 km

Sir Belarus may also be a potential supplier of modernized S300 version.

 

[RAMPAGE]

How about we push for a relatively compromising settlement on Kashmir, sign a peace treaty with India, and focus on decreasing our imports whilst boosting our local production, especially in the spheres of tool, machine, and electronic production?

The biggest threat to Pakistan's national security is the absence of a technology intensive industry, not that of a high altitude defence system. Grow up, people.

 

[Keysersoze]

How about we push for a relatively compromising settlement on Kashmir, sign a peace treaty with India, and focus on decreasing our exports whilst boosting our local production, especially in the spheres of tool, machine, and electronic production?

The biggest threat to Pakistan's national security is the absence of a technology intensive industry, not that of a high altitude defence system. Grow up, people.

Whilst I salute your goals. I think obtaining a high altitude system would probably be easier than getting every one in South asia to agree on something.

 

[RAMPAGE]

Whilst I salute your goals. I think obtaining a high altitude system would probably be easier than getting every one in South asia to agree on something.

Do you think the national exchequer in its current state, or indeed in the foreseeable future, can allow for such a purchase? These high altitude missile defence systems are ridiculously expensive, and therefore the current policy of Pakistan, I believe, is to rely instead on more effective nuclear delivery systems so as to keep the chances of a nuclear exchange to a bare minimum.

 

[CrazyZ]

A system that can shoot down stand off munitions/missile at long range. Perhaps a long range anza variant. Combined with a AAA that can detect and engage a bomb or missile in mid flight for terminal defense of high value targets.

Pakistan should expect shoot and scoot attacks like in Feb. PAF should be able to engage enemy AC but they can still drop their payloads. We got lucky in February that they missed however we should address this concern going foward.

 

[Keysersoze]

Do you think the national exchequer in its current state, or indeed in the foreseeable future, can allow for such a purchase? These high altitude missile defence systems are ridiculously expensive, and therefore the current policy of Pakistan, I believe, is to rely instead on more effective nuclear delivery systems so as to keep the chances of a nuclear exchange to a bare minimum.

The problem is that the primary external threat to Pakistan is planning on making a quick move to win any conflict before the nuclear delivery systems can be used (COLD START for example). Whilst these plans are slightly laughable at the moment given the logistical woes of the Indian armed forces, they might become feasible in the future. Therefore a layered defence in as much depth as possible is required. This will give the other side a moment of pause.

These air defence systems are expensive but they create a massive headache for any attacker. They combine with the other assets to add multiple extra layers of defence.

 

[Humble Analyst]

How about we push for a relatively compromising settlement on Kashmir, sign a peace treaty with India, and focus on decreasing our exports whilst boosting our local production, especially in the spheres of tool, machine, and electronic production?

The biggest threat to Pakistan's national security is the absence of a technology intensive industry, not that of a high altitude defence system. Grow up, people.

I like your approach problem is India will never give Pakistan a good deal. I do not agree with reducing exports, do you mean to say reduce imports?

 

[nahtanbob]

Hate to correct you but Mikhail Kalashnikov was not educated actually he was self taught.

it helped to get shell whacked by the Germans. it helped focus his mind

 

[RAMPAGE]

I like your approach problem is India will never give Pakistan a good deal. I do not agree with reducing exports, do you mean to say reduce imports?

Ouch. That was supposed to be decreasing imports. Corrected.

The aim shouldn't be a good deal but a deal that leads to a peace treaty; cutting our losses and so forth. Both countries recognise the LoC as international border and take it from there. In time, the border will become irrelevant.

The problem is that the primary external threat to Pakistan is planning on making a quick move to win any conflict before the nuclear delivery systems can be used (COLD START for example). Whilst these plans are slightly laughable at the moment given the logistical woes of the Indian armed forces, they might become feasible in the future. Therefore a layered defence in as much depth as possible is required. This will give the other side a moment of pause.

These air defence systems are expensive but they create a massive headache for any attacker. They combine with the other assets to add multiple extra layers of defence.

Old news. Things have changed since. Pakistan seems to be doing all that it can to ensure that no Pakistani outfit carries out any operation on Indian soil which may oblige India to respond with military aggression. The FATF has proved to be a nice incentive.

 

[araz]

Not only poor quality but on subjects like commerce, law, business etc which have limited use in developing country. Consider this. When you look at CPEC projects most of the workers are Paks. But then you will notice a young looking smartly dressed Chinese. He will be the engineer. We have millions of young. Why do not have engineers? To build fighters, missiles, tanks, ships, aircraft carriers, roads, bridges, dams, hospitals, sewer systems, cars, trucks, railways, trains etc which is what countries like Russia, China or USA can do we need -

• civil engineers
• mathematicians
• chemists
• metallurgists
• airspace engineers
• physicists
• etc

When Pakistan buys from China, Russia, USA or France in fact it is buying their manpower knowledge. Why don't we have manpower knowledge? The reason is thirty years ago the generation of American, Russian, Chinese who make these things were studying such subjects at universities while ours were tossing around, doing useless subjects or being brainwashed in madaris. How many millions do we have in madaris? What good are they? Are they going to build motorways, design jet fighters or nuclear submarines? No, they are only good for chasing blasphemers down the street and lynching them.

And producing millions of scientists, airspace engineers, mathematicians, physicists will be good for Pakistan. Yes, they will not all get jobs in the local economy but neither do commerce graduates. However as the surplus scientists go abroad and start making name for themselves some will return and lay the foundation of a knowledge economy.

I read a book about how Soviet Union in 1930s aware that it was behind Germany and Western Europe under Stalin launched 5 year plans to bring it with par to west. And all the effort went on -

• churning out science graduates in 100,000s. Mathematicians, physicists, chemists etc
• building up steel industry
• building up coal industry
• building up rail network
• etc

The result was by WW2 Russia had the scientific manpower to design, manufacture more tanks, more aircraft, more guns, more steel then Germany could leading to that country eing defeated despite incredible losses by Soviet Union. The reason was the generation of Russians numbering in millions who had graduated [not from madaris] but from scientific universities had matured and went on to to design/make the Kalashnikov rifles [used in Pakistan today], the T-34 ]lot of PA tanks are inspired by Russian T-series], the Mig aircraft [many of the PAF F-7s are Chinese copies] and today that talent produces the Sukhois, Migs, S-400s etc.

Thank you for a good post. I would suggest that you cater to perceived demand by making higher education cheaper for those professions. Where you do not have the need you increase fees enough to get your costs back. At the time when my friends were going into Medicine, were paying something like 250 Rs while the cost of producing a graduate was 40,000 Rs. The Private Med Schools got their costs back so why not the Government institutions. At least that way when you lose 60% of your graduates to foreign lands it will not hurt financially.
A

 

[Keysersoze]

Old news. Things have changed since. Pakistan seems to be doing all that it can to ensure that no Pakistani outfit carries out any operation on Indian soil which may oblige India to respond with military aggression. The FATF has proved to be a nice incentive.

I think the events of the 27th are not "Old news" They have shown that India thought they could strike at targets within Pakistan and get away with no response. The fact that they would be willing for things to escalate show that they were confident enough to risk war. The response has created a lot of hand wringing without a nuclear threat.

 

[RAMPAGE]

I think the events of the 27th are not "Old news" They have shown that India thought they could strike at targets within Pakistan and get away with no response. The fact that they would be willing for things to escalate show that they were confident enough to risk war. The response has created a lot of hand wringing without a nuclear threat.

I can't say how you came to the conclusion that the Indians were confident enough to risk a high intensity conflict. Had it been the case, the Indians would never have let our humiliating retaliation go unanswered.

In any case, the best way to deny India any gains in a future conflict is to launch a highly effective air offensive such that Indian losses pile up at the very outset of the war. To that end, we have a few weapons programs underway, the Azm project being one of them, which will hopefully help us achieve just that.

 

[M.Bison]

Pakistan should work on hypersonic weapons. Either purchase them or try and build one. That should balance things once again.

 

[CrazyZ]

Pakistan should work on hypersonic weapons. Either purchase them or try and build one. That should balance things once again.

Alread have them. Ballistic missiles are hypersonic.

 

[M.Bison]

Alread have them. Ballistic missiles are hypersonic.

I don't think so.