What can Pakistan can purchase to improve air defense?

[CrazyZ]

I don't think so.

Ballistic missiles travel at Hypersonic speeds. Higher velocity equals more range (ballistics equation from physics). Hypersonic weapons have been around since the 50's.

 

[HRK]

How about we push for a relatively compromising settlement on Kashmir, sign a peace treaty with India

tried and failed .... Agra was the last chance for the peaceful resolution of Kashmir

 

[RAMPAGE]

tried and failed .... Agra was the last chance for the peaceful resolution of Kashmir

Keep pushing.

 

[HRK]

Keep pushing.

again tried & failed

 

[RAMPAGE]

again tried & failed

Try again.

 

[HRK]

Try again.

its a mutual responsibility .....

 

[jamal18]

The biggest threat to Pakistan's national security is the absence of a technology intensive industry, not that of a high altitude defence system. Grow up, people.

Yes. Which is why we have to buy off others, not make it ourselves.

 

[AUz]

Pakistan's Air Defense is severely lacking.

PAF have always defeated and sometimes downright humiliated iaf again and again (as recently as 27th Feb). However, after iaf inducts S-400 and Rafael's armed with SPECTRA electronic suite and Meteor BVR missiles---the difference would become extremely lopsided in favor of iaf (atleast in the short term).

Imagine PAF having to do events like 27th Feb (Bombing indian targets inside Kashmir and shooting down responding indian jets) in presence of iaf rafaels and S-400. That would almost be impossible.

PAF needs to induct a credible counter to Rafael's SPECTRA and Meteor and develop power air defence network in coming 5 years.

What are our options? JF-17 block III's armed with AESA and PL-15s would be a decent start. What else?

 

[RAMPAGE]

its a mutual responsibility .....

Our responsibility is not to our egos but to our country, which will greatly benefit from peace with India.

 

[HRK]

Our responsibility is not to our egos but to our country, which will greatly from peace with India.

and what you purpose to achieve this Nobel cause .... with unilateral efforts ....???

 

[HAIDER]

From what I understand Pakistan's air defence capabilities are somewhat lacking. What I propose Pakistan do is simple, buy more air defense systems comprising Short Range Air Defense (SHORAD) and High to Medium Air Defense (HIMAD). The most likely supplier would be China which would be the best choice in terms of the supply of parts, radars, and associated equipment in conflicts. I know Pakistan has purchased the LY-80 and the FM-90 but the number purchased was insufficient and their engagement ranges aren't very far. The KS-1 SAM is a good missile for Pakistan because of a variant called HQ-22 which has performance comparable to the HQ-9

• HQ-22: The HQ-22 (export version FK-3) is China’s new generation medium-range, radar-guided surface-to-air missile. It is a second-generation variant of the HQ-12, has a range of up to 170km and an effective altitude from 50 m to 27 km. It is relatively cheaper to produce than the HQ-9 and will form one of the mainstays of China’s air defense system, replacing the Cold-War era HQ-22. Command guidance/semi active radar homing guidance.

If Pakistan purchased 10-20 of these spread around the country in strategic positions India would surely suffer aircraft losses that are unacceptable.

If you have any input be sure to tell me.

Now I will talk about SHORAD procurement that I think would do Pakistan good. The Sky Dragon 50 is a SAM developed from the PL-12 air to air missile that is comparable to the NASAMS. The Sky Dragon 50 uses the DK-10A missile derived from the surface-to-air missile PL-12 series. The DK-10 is derived from SD-10A, and the missile is lengthened with an additional booster stage, which has larger diameter than the original air-to-air missile. SD-10 is the export version of the PL-12. The DK-10A has a range from 3 to 50 km and can be used from altitude of 30 m to 20 km. The missile flies at a velocity of more than 1,000 m/s and is highly maneuverable, with a maximum overload of up to 38 g. To hit the target, the missile uses an inertial guidance system and data-link. The missile has a 20 kg High Explosive (HE) fragmentation warhead. If 20-30 of these systems were purchased an additional defense against Indian aircraft and even if India achieves air superiority they can still be harrased by SAM systems.

For short range air defense on a mobile system I think the Sky Dragon 12 and it looks pretty similar to the Pantsir and would be a good system to purchase for short range air defense. The Sky Dragon is fitted with 12 Tianlong 12/ SD-12/ FK-1000 missiles which is Russian 9M311 missile exported to China in 2005. The 9M311 missile (NATO designation SA-19 Grison) has semi-automatic radar command to line-of-sight guidance, weighs 40kg with a 9kg warhead. It is 2.5m long with a diameter of 1.7m and wingspan of 2.2m. The missile's maximum speed is 900m/s and can engage targets travelling at speeds up to 500m/s. The range of the FK-1000 missile is from 2 to 12 km for and can be used has an altitude from 15 m to 5,000m. This is the missile from the Tunguska.

Pakistan has huge talent, this is all software. Pakistan need to develop its own air defence system. Now arm sellers charge millions of dollar for software upgrades. If Iran can do it, why not Pakistan.

 

[ziaulislam]

i would let go the t-129 purchase..re route that money to upgrading the current cobras if possible, more mi27 hind, more drones long endurance for low intensity militancy and SAM with more armour upgrade..

we simply dont have the money to do big ticket purchases

 

[RAMPAGE]

and what you purpose to achieve this Nobel cause .... with unilateral efforts ....???

Continue with the current strategy of providing them with incentives. Invite a high level delegation to corroborate recent measures taken against militant organisations in the context of FATF recommendations. Furthermore, we may promise them our support for a permanent seat for India at the UN Security Counsel in the event that both countries successfully resolve the Kashmir conflict and sign a peace treaty.

 

[HRK]

Continue with the current strategy of providing them with incentives.

how many incentives do you have in your mind which Pakistan could extend & would be valuable enough for India .....???

we may promise them our support for a permanent seat for India at the UN Security Counsel

in exchange for what ...???
What interest of Pakistan would be served by this gesture .... ???
and most importantly Do they need our support for Security Council membership .... ??

that both countries successfully resolve the Kashmir conflict and sign a peace treaty.

without being the member of Security council India is not resolving Kashmir issue but we should believe that after becoming the member India will resolve the Kashmir issue as per the aspiration and will of Kashmiri people ..... ???

 

[araz]

Continue with the current strategy of providing them with incentives. Invite a high level delegation to corroborate recent measures taken against militant organisations in the context of FATF recommendations. Furthermore, we may promise them our support for a permanent seat for India at the UN Security Counsel in the event that both countries successfully resolve the Kashmir conflict and sign a peace treaty.

Peace will never be achieved by taking a defensive stance. You always ask for peace from a position of parity or advantage. There has never been an equitable solution to a crisis by peaceful means when there is disparity. Look at all the nations that have sued for peace and the outcomes and correlate it with their respective strength and you will get the answer. There will be no peace till the Kashmir solution is found taking into consideration the wishes of all 3 parties. If you try resolving this from a defensive posturing you will never achieve anything.
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