What can India Do About Pakistan?

[vsdoc]

Hi there Bangalore! Nice seeing you here bro.

Is Agnostic still around with his Kashmir UN resolutions encyclopedia?

Ah happy days .....

 

[mpk1988]

Why does India need to do anything? I have suggested it before. Forget and ignore. If things don't progress, don't give a damn.

Just fence and make the border impenetrable. Restrict movement across the border to very very less. Cut relations and keep it to the minimum. Make Kashmir an internal issue. Implement uniform civil code and remove article 370. Just sit back and deal with any terrorism or infiltration by means of massive surveillance and POTA.

That's all. Nobody gives a damn on the international stage. No ones gives two hoots about Kashmir and there is absolutely nothing Pakistan can do anyway.

After a few decades if the world has changed a lot and both countries have matured with a lot of change in the civilian mindset, then maybe go for talks.

 

[IceCold]

Any talks between India and Pakistan should be strictly kept through back door. Keep the media out of it who likes to hype everything and blow it out of proportion. Let the two sides agree on something and slowly start from there while not giving the feeling that they are diverging from their original positions.

The problem in this approach is as evident from Indians here is that what does Pakistan bring to the table and we (the Indians) are happy with the status quo. Such approach gives them arrogance, coupled with their improved economy, strong military and over hyped media, there is a strong feeling among Indians that they can carry out an operation like the US and get away with it without serious repercussions. This is a dangerous thought because Pakistan no matter how weak you think it is or terrorism prone, is still capable to give a befitting reply to any such misadventure. What will than India do? Start a full scale war with Pakistan, but than again thats precisely what India wants to avoid, a full scale war with Pakistan because of the presence of nuclear weapons on both sides.

Another thing is terrorism in Pakistan has declined significantly contrary of popular Indian believes as evident from the authors of the article. Economy is doing better and so is our relations with other countries. India will have to shed its policy of trying to isolate Pakistan, it hasnt happened and will not happen in the future as well. The only way to move forward is to work on a road map for peace with Pakistan.

 

[coffee_cup]

Look who's talking???
Just FYI-Hindu extremists dont blow themselves up.

See this is exactly the problem with you Indians, this "holier than thou" attitude.

If you come down the high horse, you will start seeing the reality. Here I have a news for you, the suicide bombings by blowing oneself up were introduced in the region by your extremist proxies much before people in the region even knew that such things exist..

Rajiv Ghandi, himself a victim of such bombing would have gladly endorsed. So much of Hindu extremists do not blow themselves up!

The problem lies within yourself...yes, you!!!
The problem is you turn a blind eye towards your issues and are quick to raise a finger at others.

Right, it is always others who are at fault. Especially if someone - who is conveniently closing his eyes to the grave issue in his own country, India, - says so.

Here are some of the things that delusional Indians "actually believe" in:

- India is a pacifist country
- India is a super power
- Hindu Extremists only want peace in the region. Modi himself is the greatest peacenik.
- There are no home grown terrorists in India
- India does not export terrorism in the neighborhood, LTTE, Mukti Bahini, BLA and TTP were/are sponsored by Aliens from Mars.
- Godhse was a hero because he killed Ghandhi
- There are no insurgencies taking place in India
....

And so on.

Go on, you are free to live in Utopia, no one is stopping you. Alas, it is not going to help anyone in the region in anyway!

 

[vsdoc]

After a few decades if the world has changed a lot and both countries have matured with a lot of change in the civilian mindset, then maybe go for talks.

Talks for what?

India and Pakistan talk anyways, at multiple levels. Look at us here. What are we doing?

Talks at a state level are round and round the mulberry bush. Terrorism and Kashmir.

And to be honest, neither are they getting Kashmir, nor we getting rid of terrorism.

Both of these will be achieved through force, not words. Because both of these came out of the failure of words and the employment of force.

I used to say this before, and I am glad to repeat it again here on PDF.

Peace between India and Pakistan as we have always known it is the temporary cessation of all out war.

True peace between India and Pakistan will and can only come when one of the two is no longer able to wage war.

And a corollary.

India and Pakistan have historically gone to war whenever we have talked the most. Is there a lesson in there somewhere? I think there is.

 

[MilSpec]

Both should look otherway... comeback when both show some maturity and real intent to resolve issues... optics are a waste of time for both the diplomatic corp and people interested in the development of the region alike.

 

[sajidkhan608]

yes brother u r write ....

 

[Pakistanisage]

India should try and force a military coup in Pakistan which will shame them further in the eyes of the global community.

Sir, how do you propose India should bring about this Coup de'tat ?

You think India has some leverage over Raheel Sharif ?

Please Elaborate .......

 

[Styx]

Sir, how do you propose India should bring about this Coup de'tat ?

You think India has some leverage over Raheel Sharif ?

Please Elaborate .......

no, but Raheel Sharif has quite a bit of leverage over the other Sharif, and if Noora keeps stumbling and fumbling his foreign policy, the General may feel the need to emerge from the shadows and take the helm.

not like it's never happened before

 

[Pakistanisage]

no, but Raheel Sharif has quite a bit of leverage over the other Sharif, and if Noora keeps stumbling and fumbling his foreign policy, the General may feel the need to emerge from the shadows and take the helm.

not like it's never happened before

Yeah, but you said India should make it happen. My question is how are you going to make him comply with your wishes ?

Obviously, he has not chosen that option on his own.

I would like to hear about your GAME PLAN....

 

[Styx]

Yeah, but you said India should make it happen. My question is how are you going to make him comply with your wishes ?

Obviously, he has not chosen that option on his own.

I would like to hear about your GAME PLAN....

by failing Pakistan's foreign policy by refusing any dialogue or any diplomatic engagement on Kashmir, your army will resent Kashmir being put in cold storage.. you know the rest..

or, we could each just go our own way and completely ignore the other

but is another coup in these troubled times for Pakistan really that much of a stretch ?

 

[Pakistanisage]

by failing Pakistan's foreign policy by refusing any dialogue or any diplomatic engagement on Kashmir, your army will resent Kashmir being put in cold storage.. you know the rest..

or, we could each just go our own way and completely ignore the other

but is another coup in these troubled times for Pakistan really that much of a stretch ?

Yes it is.

If you consider what we have gone through in last 7 to 8 years since Musharraf left and the Army has justifiably resisted the temptation, despite the fact that Pak Army Popularity is at its all time high, you would know why.

 

[Styx]

Yes it is.

If you consider what we have gone through in last 7 to 8 years since Musharraf left and the Army has justifiably resisted the temptation, despite the fact that Pak Army Popularity is at its all time high, you would know why.

well, that's good I suppose, a coup would spell international disaster for Pakistan, something you can ill afford at this time.

to ignore the other is probably best for now.. maybe we'll finally be able to convert the LOC to an IB after we've hit a hundred years of freedom, still a few decades off.

 

[mpk1988]

Talks for what?

India and Pakistan talk anyways, at multiple levels. Look at us here. What are we doing?

Talks at a state level are round and round the mulberry bush. Terrorism and Kashmir.

And to be honest, nether are they getting Kashmir, nor we getting rid of terrorism.

Both of these will be achieved through force, not words. Because both of these came out of the failure of words and the employment of force.

I used to say this before, and I am glad to repeat it again here on PDF.

Peace between India and Pakistan as we have always known it is the temporary cessation of all out war.

True peace between India and Pakistan will and can only come when one of the two is no longer able to wage war.

And a corollary.

India and Pakistan have historically gone to war whenever we have talked the most. Is there a lesson in there somewhere? I think there is.

Well, I did say a ew decades and if people's mindset has changed massively.

Talks for trade basically and if they want to co-operate then we can access other markets easily (Central Asian).

I didn't mean Kashmir and terrorism. In those areas nothing will change and Pakistan can't change anything.
It will only change when humanity abandons childish fairy tales like religion and illiterate jackasses all over are rare (unlikely, since the religious retards are usually the baby producing factories).

 

[vsdoc]

Talks for trade basically and if they want to co-operate then we can access other markets easily (Central Asian).

The "CAR access" bogey is old by sell by date now. I remember the same reasons being thrown around in 2012 as well as 2009.

India has evidently moved on since then. Not really that big a deal. I'd rather have a more expensive supply line but which is consistent and reliable, than a cheap easy flow of plenty with our friends holding the tap.

Strategic and security interests will always trump pennies. Or so one would hope .....

Problem in the region, like others around the world, is that oftentimes the lines blur between strategic interests and the pennies.