What about Mi-35 Attack Helicopters for Pakistan?

[Quwa]

For everyone's interest:

However, defense analyst Haris Khan of the Pakistan Military Consortium said that Moscow also could fulfill the Army's gunship needs.

"Pakistan has somehow acquired five Mi-35 Hinds," he said. "These are to be part of a new air assault division, which should be formed by the year 2012."

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As Khan stated, however, the Army is still looking to buy more Mi-17s, plus Mi-35 Hinds, CH-47 Chinooks and one dedicated version of a gunship helicopter, to establish an airborne division.

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Apparently, Pakistan is forming an air assault division that will include an unknown number of Mi-35 and 20~25 AH-1Z Viper. We might see the AH-1Z and CH-47 request come up around the same time. IMHO it is fine if AH-1Z and Mi-35 are fully committed to COIN, but the PA should consider producing its own attack and medium-lift utility helicopters in the long-term. For example, the South African NAH/Rooivalk II and AW-149 would be good programs to get into...with AW149 serving as a standard utility aircraft across the military as well as civilian (emergency relief, hospital, police, etc) services.

 

[fatman17]

For everyone's interest:

Pakistan Army Seeks To Rearm To Enter Taliban Lair - Defense News

Pakistan Eyes Boost in Transport, Lift - Defense News

Apparently, Pakistan is forming an air assault division that will include an unknown number of Mi-35 and 20~25 AH-1Z Viper. We might see the AH-1Z and CH-47 request come up around the same time. IMHO it is fine if AH-1Z and Mi-35 are fully committed to COIN, but the PA should consider producing its own attack and medium-lift utility helicopters in the long-term. For example, the South African NAH/Rooivalk II and AW-149 would be good programs to get into...with AW149 serving as a standard utility aircraft across the military as well as civilian (emergency relief, hospital, police, etc) services.

with deep respect for H/Khan, the PA does not have any Mi-35s in its inventory and neither will the russians sell this type to us (India factor).

AFAs the AH-1Z is concerned, USD500m has been earmarked by the US to supply a squadron of these Super Cobra's to the PA starting 2013-14.

 

[Quwa]

with deep respect for H/Khan, the PA does not have any Mi-35s in its inventory and neither will the russians sell this type to us (India factor).

AFAs the AH-1Z is concerned, USD500m has been earmarked by the US to supply a squadron of these Super Cobra's to the PA starting 2013-14.

As I recall there are a couple of Mi-24/35s acquired by Afghan defectors from the 1980s, but aren't in operational condition. As for additional types, well he said Pakistan is seeking them from Russia. We may not see a direct sale, but there is the 3rd party factor of Ukraine (and others) which got PAF its IL-78s. And upgrades can be sought from South Africa's ATE if necessary. Nonetheless, Pakistan is trying to forge commercial defence relations with Russia, and is even praising their equipment in public (such as RD-93, Mi-171, etc). Usman Ansari reported that PAF would like to use RD-93M (RD-33MK) on future JF-17 batches.

 

[fatman17]

As I recall there are a couple of Mi-24/35s acquired by Afghan defectors from the 1980s, but aren't in operational condition. As for additional types, well he said Pakistan is seeking them from Russia. We may not see a direct sale, but there is the 3rd party factor of Ukraine (and others) which got PAF its IL-78s. And upgrades can be sought from South Africa's ATE if necessary. Nonetheless, Pakistan is trying to forge commercial defence relations with Russia, and is even praising their equipment in public (such as RD-93, Mi-171, etc). Usman Ansari reported that PAF would like to use RD-93M (RD-33MK) on future JF-17 batches.

indeed we shd - the russians produce some very good equipment.

 

[Super Falcon]

well first of alll russia will not selll us if even they sell us vis ukraine pakistan army will not buy them because it is existing technology and its succesor have been in russian army replacing Mi 35 why we buy old system

 

[Quwa]

well first of alll russia will not selll us if even they sell us vis ukraine pakistan army will not buy them because it is existing technology and its succesor have been in russian army replacing Mi 35 why we buy old system

For what its worth, the PAF just bought 4 IL-78s from Ukraine, and that is a clear and powerful force-multiplier that Russia should have blocked without question. Yet it did not. And now we have PAF being pleased with the RD-93 situation, even going as far as promoting the engine and reportedly seeking its next variant, RD-93M.

 

[True_Pakistan_Zindabad]

We go with the momentum and request Russian origin equipment and pay under the table. **** sanctions, our T-80UD, JF-17 engine and other goodies are serving us fine and proudly. Either through Ukraine or assuredly through China. We should balance western with Eastern.

 

[LegionnairE]

Azerbaijan is using South African Super-Hinds, BTW Georgia produce Mi24 too i thkink

Whatever, i dont like this helo its a fat and easy target can be shot down easily but Apache is very expensive and also expensive to keep operational (hard to maintain) if Pakistan want attack helicopter from Russia she must definitely go for mi28-havoc...

But i think Pakistan want light attack helicopters not flying tanks from cold war, so invest in ATAK

 

[HAIDER]

Hind can be good helicopter in this war, but Pakistan army point of view I don't think its feasible.
1. Its Heavy enough for multi role.
2.Burn lot of gas.
3.Less in maneuvering.
4.Combat zone is full of narrow valleys.
5.Terrorist has lots of light precision weapons to target such helos.
6.Its tough job for pilot to safe the soldier on board and plus keep the target engage on ground.

One of reason Pakistan aviation always first provide escorting through Cobra before landing the soldier in combat zone. Plus these Cobra are avail on very short call.
They are ready to serve half the time compare to Russian attack helos.

 

[Super Falcon]

well even if we getting it not worth of buying it sir it is 20 year ol tech and going through last upgradition of its so if we even buy it we only can use it for 4 to 5 years because india already buying it succesor from russia MI 28 havoc

 

[flameboard]

Get ToT incase of future sanction we need to be prepared Pakistan should persue this with the next purchase of helicopters

 

[ptldM3]

Azerbaijan is using South African Super-Hinds, BTW Georgia produce Mi24 too i thkink

Whatever, i dont like this helo its a fat and easy target can be shot down easily but Apache is very expensive and also expensive to keep operational (hard to maintain) if Pakistan want attack helicopter from Russia she must definitely go for mi28-havoc...

But i think Pakistan want light attack helicopters not flying tanks from cold war, so invest in ATAK

This couldn't be further from the truth. The entire helicopter is armored, even the rotor blades can withstand .50 caliber rounds, Some parts of the helicopter such as the cockpit can even withstand 37mm rounds. In Afghanistan many MI-24's were able to return to base even after being hit with stingers, or at worse perform an auto rotation.

As for people talking about maneuverability, most helicopter probably aren’t going to out maneuver missiles. Instead they will try to use counter measures, fly low or both, the MI-24/35 can obviously do both with an added bonus of withstanding direct hits.

The MI-35 is also miss understood when talking about maneuverability. Firstly it is one of the fastest helicopters today, couple in the stability and lift from the wings and you have a very good platform. For instance, over Afghanistan the Hind was able to use its speed and stability to surprise the enemy while it accurately strafed their positions, thanks to the stability from its large wings, than the Hind was able to use it high rate of climb to quickly gain altitude and turn so that it could continue its ground attack mission.

 

[Jigs]

Ka-52 would also be a great option.

 

[LegionnairE]

This couldn't be further from the truth. The entire helicopter is armored, even the rotor blades can withstand .50 caliber rounds, Some parts of the helicopter such as the cockpit can even withstand 37mm rounds. In Afghanistan many MI-24's were able to return to base even after being hit with stingers, or at worse perform an auto rotation.

What the hell...

Are you sure this is true? I knew Hind is heavily armored thats why i called it flying tank but if you said above is true... Wow...

 

[moxin]

This couldn't be further from the truth. The entire helicopter is armored, even the rotor blades can withstand .50 caliber rounds, Some parts of the helicopter such as the cockpit can even withstand 37mm rounds. In Afghanistan many MI-24's were able to return to base even after being hit with stingers, or at worse perform an auto rotation.

As for people talking about maneuverability, most helicopter probably aren’t going to out maneuver missiles. Instead they will try to use counter measures, fly low or both, the MI-24/35 can obviously do both with an added bonus of withstanding direct hits.

The MI-35 is also miss understood when talking about maneuverability. Firstly it is one of the fastest helicopters today, couple in the stability and lift from the wings and you have a very good platform. For instance, over Afghanistan the Hind was able to use its speed and stability to surprise the enemy while it accurately strafed their positions, thanks to the stability from its large wings, than the Hind was able to use it high rate of climb to quickly gain altitude and turn so that it could continue its ground attack mission.

are you sure! i have seen a video documentary not available on youtube which shows mi-35 hinds splitting in half by stingers in afghan war...